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Bringing a SEN child to an expensive holiday

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sandygrapes · 30/05/2024 18:16

That is known for being good with children and families. It's not an adult only or 'popular with adults only'

H thinks we can't go there with him because people pay too much £££ to be disturbed like that

Thing is, he is non verbal and noisy, that's true. He shouts and makes loud stimming noises when both happy and upset/frustrated

But, I have noticed sadly that even though he is loud and obviously incredibly unusual in his behaviours for the average passer by, I often see I act 10 times more respectfully and cautiously than those of other DC, who don't obviously have his care needs and are just being DC. They're often allowed to do stuff I just wouldn't allow in public like running about and getting in peoples way without apology

His favourite thing is food and water/swimming! He would love it

We usually go away in cheaper places and have been surprised that we keep finding AI's with little to NO English people and found the Spanish/Greeks and Turks incredibly accepting and just very 'live and let live'. You get a feel they aren't always looking or shocked. That type of thing which is quite common back home in the UK

AIBU to think we should take him despite all the noise?

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GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 31/05/2024 07:13

I find your husband’s attitude odd.

Your DC has the same right to a nice holiday as anyone’s. Also, if he thinks your child’s noise would disturb people, why is that ok for people who have booked a cheaper holiday and not an expensive one? (And to be clear I’m saying it’s ok in either scenario!)

Pollypickpockets · 31/05/2024 07:06

sandygrapes · 31/05/2024 06:35

He is a quiet sleeper but will wake up at about 4.30/5am and make noise sadly

Just let the hotel know. There will be rooms that are better insulated than others.

But OP your live must be tiring. You need a break. Go and enjoy it. I really hope you meet the 90% of people who are understanding and not the 10% of people who are arseholes.

Marjoriefrobisher · 31/05/2024 06:41

PicaK · 30/05/2024 18:28

I'd be very, very careful of families who are wealthy. Their kids will be at schools where their experience of neuro diversity is likely to be autistic savant or mild dyslexia. They won't have the compassion and shrug shoulders "that's just Henry" approach that their state peers do.

Absolute heh at the notion that kids in the state sector are accepting of SN. If only.

sandygrapes · 31/05/2024 06:35

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 30/05/2024 20:46

I think daytime is so loud anyone that no one will notice. Echoing another poster though I find these type of family resorts quite quiet at night so for me it would depend on whether he is loud at night - stimming by the pool or in a restaurant is fine, but being kept up all night might ruin someone's holiday

He is a quiet sleeper but will wake up at about 4.30/5am and make noise sadly

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Peanutbutter7 · 31/05/2024 00:14

Yes I would definitely take him, sounds like he’ll love it and you deserve the holiday too. We took Sen dd last year to a fairly high end resort. Because it was a family resort no one batted an eye lid, it was full of excitable children. I have eyes in the back of my head with dd as she does like to get up to mischief. A lot of other parents weren’t watching their kids a lot of the time and we saw all types of behaviour going on. Dd was very well behaved compared even though she can be extremely noisy. She wasn’t the only Sen child there either.

NeonFlamingos · 30/05/2024 22:50

Please go and have a wonderful time! We are just back from a long awaited, AI holiday in Greece with our three. What an amazing time we had, great memories made in a fantastic, noisy, friendly resort. I feel so grateful to have given my kids that experience and you & your son are entitled to that just as much as anyone.

The pool area had such a buzz and 'white noise' about it (lots of slides etc) so stimming might not seem as loud to others as you may think it would? Not that it would bother me but just if that would help your DH relax a bit more.

Our next door neighbour in the hotel was so loud - screaming at her kids most mornings & evenings. Give me an excited/happy child over that any day!

examsexamsexamsexams · 30/05/2024 21:59

PicaK · 30/05/2024 18:28

I'd be very, very careful of families who are wealthy. Their kids will be at schools where their experience of neuro diversity is likely to be autistic savant or mild dyslexia. They won't have the compassion and shrug shoulders "that's just Henry" approach that their state peers do.

What a ridiculous thing to say. Do only children at state schools have siblings, friends or relatives with special needs? Not to mention partnership links between schools. One of the most judgy things I've seen on Mumsnet.

LadyRoughDiamond · 30/05/2024 21:53

I was about to ask if it was Sani or Ikos. Both are huge complexes and should be used to guests with specific needs. I’d contact them and ask about recommended rooms that meet your needs - near the pool for easy access/in a family area/near outdoor space etc.
Go and enjoy your holiday!

Aussieland · 30/05/2024 21:52

As someone with no kids who struggles with noise I would be way more irritated by screeching and bellowing drunk adults and uncontrolled poorly behaved noisy NT kids (like I said I have no kids so have standards that are entirely unachievable!) than by a child who was ND and noisy. It’s the same concept in my brain as when toddlers and babies are just doing what they do and aren’t able to regulate their behaviour for my benefit!

If I want peace and quiet I will go to a villa or to an adults only place.
If they would love the holiday go on the holiday!

RedDiamond · 30/05/2024 21:44

I always opted for a villa with my DS. I also found that better educated persons were definitely more tolerant.

LoveSandbanks · 30/05/2024 21:41

PicaK · 30/05/2024 18:28

I'd be very, very careful of families who are wealthy. Their kids will be at schools where their experience of neuro diversity is likely to be autistic savant or mild dyslexia. They won't have the compassion and shrug shoulders "that's just Henry" approach that their state peers do.

I’ve got two autistic boys and I’ve found the opposite. A huge generalisation but less wealthy people tend to be less well educated whereas a wealthy people tend to be better Wi-Fi aged and far more accepting of my children’s behaviours.

Itsmyshadow · 30/05/2024 21:34

It would not bother me one bit if he made lots of noise during the day. I am far more preoccupied with entertaining my own children, I probably wouldn’t even notice with the general noise all of the children at the resort would be making.

I agree with PPs though that if he is really noisy at night that might be unfair for the people in the rooms around you.

buttnut · 30/05/2024 21:29

Morph22010 · 30/05/2024 20:55

Don’t go to France as people there tend to stare at you if your kid is having a meltdown and it’s awful, although I think you mentioned it was greece

Sadly this is true! I also always used to notice how ‘behaved’ the French children were in restaurants, even really little ones just sitting there perfectly for hours with no extras like colouring books or anything.

Then I read a Guardian article about the many autistic children in France still sent to institutions and how the general attitude there to autism and SEN is very, very behind. They are generally hidden away from society.

Beezknees · 30/05/2024 21:28

Take him. Family resorts are for all families. Adults who don't want to be disturbed can go to adult only resorts.

PrincessTeaSet · 30/05/2024 21:23

I wouldn't mind this type of noise on holiday, the worst thing is drunk adults, much worse than any child however noisy badly behaved or badly parented (not that yours is obviously).

Night time noise is potentially more annoying but hotel walls are usually thick enough. Again it's normally drunk adults getting back late and banging doors that causes the most disturbance, I don't recall ever being disturbed at night by screaming babies on a hotel (other than my own!)

The expensive resort thing is a bit snobby - why is it ok to potentially disturb a poor person's holiday but not a rich person's? Ask your husband what his logic is

Londonrach1 · 30/05/2024 21:22

Id happily have your son over the man who smoked over us today ....take him..he and you deserve it

ssd · 30/05/2024 21:18

Take him and have a wonderful time

sweettomato · 30/05/2024 21:17

We go to Sani with SEN DD, they're great with kids.

I'v never really seen couples there, just families and in my experience those with younger families these days are much more open minded about this sort of thing.

ArrrMeHearties · 30/05/2024 21:16

We went on holiday one year and we're waiting to board the plane home. A lady and her mum where accompanied by the lady's son in a wheelchair who was non verbal. He was happily babbling away and people were looking at him funny 😞 I went over to say hello and the mum was trying to shush him. I told her not to be daft that I knew what it was like with the funny looks as I look after my niece 4 days a week who is non verbal and severely disabled too. I spoke to the wee boy and he ended up kissing my hand and the mum had tears as nobody usually took the time to talk to him.
Take your son on the holiday and have the most amazing time with him ❤️

poosadface · 30/05/2024 21:13

ilovevinyl · 30/05/2024 20:18

This is why I book adult only hotels and will pay more for it. Your child has the right to be on holiday and be as noisy as he wants to be but I also have the right to not want to be exposed to their noise and screams so instead of me being upset by your autistic screaming child (I am autistic and I'm also dying of cancer) I just won't book any kind of holiday where children are at all.

I'm so sorry.

I'm autistic and sympathise with op, but I sympathise with you too. I hope you find a peaceful holiday.

It's tough being an autistic adult who can see themselves in children but who also want a quiet holiday.

Op is a good person for trying to find this correct balance it must be tough!

Yummymummy2020 · 30/05/2024 21:12

Op you are such a lovely person to think about others in the way you are but please don’t worry and go enjoy it. I can’t ever imagine this bothering me on holidays or home, I would be delighted to see a family having a nice trip!

Smartiepants79 · 30/05/2024 21:12

The only thing I would say is - are you going to be able to relax and enjoy it without worrying all the time that your child is annoying other people?
If so then go for it.
You sound like you know how to manage his behaviours the best you can. Do what suits your family.

rwalker · 30/05/2024 21:12

I wouldn’t I couldn’t relax for worrying which I think is what you DH will be like

Namechange357 · 30/05/2024 21:10

Wow, I’d love to go to Ikos…

Definitley go, and have an amazing time!

We went to Sani once (with two autistic ADHD children, one of whom had regular meltdowns), and it was great. The staff were fab. We found the restaurants you had to book a bit more difficult than the buffet style ones, as sometimes people were trying to have quiet meals, but altogether a much better experience than regular 4/5* hotels in the med, where people (especially English tourists) have been a lot more judgemental. And a lot of the other clearly much wealthier guests there with children at dinner had them on iPads with headphones, something I had been too self conscious to allow my kids to do before. Whatever works, you deserve a nice holiday too!

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 30/05/2024 21:07

I have a SEN child and the only thing I'd be thinking of if I was you was whether your child will enjoy it, and that it won't cause too much distress.

Mine would love it!

If yours would too then he has just as much right to enjoy a holiday as any one else.

The world is disabling enough without his own dad putting walls and barriers up for him when he should be breaking them down.