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I think mum threatened toddler, she doesn't, AIBU?

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Originalusername89 · 30/05/2024 15:57

I was busy doing something that required both hands.

Baby started crying in her pram, toddler went over and started stroking her head but then this changed to hitting her (toddler has form for this when tired plus overwhelm of baby crying. I genuinely don't think it's malicious, more strange toddler impulse, we are working on it, it's improved, and we always physically separate them if this happens, it's not ok to hit etc etc)

Before I could get there my mum tried to diffuse the situation by telling her to stop and then I heard her say 'do you need to see what that feels like?'

At this point I just dropped what I was doing came over, took my toddler (baby strapped in buggy to easier to remover toddler) and told my mum not to threaten her.

Mum said 'i wasn't threatening her'

I said 'the only way to show her what that feels like is if you were prepared to hit her, which is a threat'

She said 'its not a threat I was teaching her lesson'

I think, even if my mum knows she would never actually hit her, as far as the two year old is concerned her grandmother was prepared to hit her.

For context we have a difficult relationship, my mum can't see things from anyone elses point of view, will never apologise or acknowledge what she could have done differently, will defend her actions until she's blue in the face - so she won't see this from the toddlers point of view only hers which is 'i was never going to actually hit her so it's ok' - and she won't see this from my point of view but will accuse me of overreacting. So I'm not bringing it back up with her.

YANBU: it was a threat and it's not ok to threaten a small child with physical punishment

YABU: It wasn't a threat/you're over reacting

PS. not looking for advice on the hitting please, just did my mum threaten toddler or didn't she?

OP posts:
Sapphire387 · 30/05/2024 21:58

You seem remarkably casual about the fact that your toddler is hitting your baby.

Howbizarre22 · 30/05/2024 21:56

Our parents generation were more direct like this- my mum would say something like this. I guess it didn’t do us any harm! If child does something pretty naughty a strong “how would you like it” makes them think twice. Guess we do pussy foot a bit these days. I’m not sure which approach is best but I don’t think either is harmful. Obviously a lot of that generation did actual smacking the child which I do not agree with- but again- I was smacked if I did anything really naughty.

Exactlab · 30/05/2024 21:52

bloodyeffinnora · 30/05/2024 16:39

god, I feel so sorry for the defenceless baby getting hit by your toddler, you say you're working on it, but you need to protect your baby from this now. you're more concerned with how the toddler is treated than the poor baby. how many more times is the baby going to be hit until the toddler has learned? your working on it obviously isn't working.

Yes, another terribly passive mother.

Exactlab · 30/05/2024 21:51

So you could hear your toddler hitting your baby and you did absolutely nothing about it. But your mother did intervene and you don’t like how she handled it?

How about you parent your own toddler instead of racing to mumsnet to complain about your own mother.

YABU

Your mother didn’t make a threat - she made a promise. In future you need to deal with this before CPS becomes involved. Your baby can’t defend itself.

Abitboring · 30/05/2024 21:50

@Originalusername89 please don't ignore your gut feel. You said yourself the relationship with your mother is difficult and why that is. Do you want your kids to be treated the way you were treated!?

Floorbard · 30/05/2024 21:35

MFF2010 · 30/05/2024 19:18

I'm actually stunned you've started a post over being annoyed with your mother for trying (maybe clumsily) to protect your baby but there's no post on advice to stop your toddler harming your baby. Just stunned tbh.

‘we are working on it, it's improved, and we always physically separate them if this happens, it's not ok to hit etc etc’

Op is clearly doing what she can to stop her toddler from harming her baby, no need to be stunned.

Ghosttofu99 · 30/05/2024 21:35

Lampslights · 30/05/2024 16:10

And apologise to your mum? And think about it from the babies perspective.

No need to be massively patronising when the op has just agreed with you…

TellMeWhoTheVillainsAre · 30/05/2024 21:34

If the toddler hit the baby once, it should have been once and only once and never happened again.

Whatever you're "working on" you need to work harder. Giving your toddler a fright to make them reconsider ever hitting the baby again isn't a bad thing. The softly softly "we're working on it" is BS to be honest.

Your toddler should never have been in a position to hit a tiny infant after that first time. You need to be firmer. Louder, and more stern. Let the toddler know it is not an option. Otherwise they couldn't careless, because nothing happens and they enjoy hitting the new little plaything.

WB205020 · 30/05/2024 21:29

@Originalusername89 On addition to taking onboard what people have said you may also want to apologise to your mum for completely overreacting and accusing her of threatening your child.

Abitboring · 30/05/2024 21:16

showerjelly · 30/05/2024 21:15

Your second paragraph is totally incoherent, no idea what you're saying.

Replace I with a , et viola ;)

Abitboring · 30/05/2024 21:16

@Lampslights that feeling is mutual.

showerjelly · 30/05/2024 21:15

Abitboring · 30/05/2024 20:49

@showerjelly the grandmother could have very firmly told him NO instead of threatening him. They are two different things.

Parents who think I threat for physical harm equals a NO disgust me.

Your second paragraph is totally incoherent, no idea what you're saying.

Lampslights · 30/05/2024 21:13

Abitboring · 30/05/2024 20:45

This was abusive. It was a threat, not a consequence. The toddler cannot tell if grandma was serious and what she said to him is intimidating. It would be for an adult so why wouldn't it be for a child!!!!!

A consequence would have been 'you aren't allowed to stroke her head again if you hit her'.

I'm just appalled at the outcome of your poll OP. Please don't change your view. You saw it as a threat, which is all that counts. You don't need your mother's validation in order to believe this. She's supposed to respect your boundaries even if she doesn't agree.

sometimes you read stuff on here and can’t actually believe anyone could actually think like this.Confused

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 30/05/2024 21:07

"Working on it" isn't good enough.
A toddler can potentially inflict life altering injuries on a baby, and aside from anything be causing them pain. It shouldn't be happening on a regular basis. You need to be firmer and protect the baby.

winterchills · 30/05/2024 20:52

Nothing wrong with that comment! Your definitely being unreasonable

Abitboring · 30/05/2024 20:49

@showerjelly the grandmother could have very firmly told him NO instead of threatening him. They are two different things.

Parents who think I threat for physical harm equals a NO disgust me.

Abitboring · 30/05/2024 20:47

@Happyddays no, the baby's physical safety and the toddlers emotional safety are equally important.

Abitboring · 30/05/2024 20:45

This was abusive. It was a threat, not a consequence. The toddler cannot tell if grandma was serious and what she said to him is intimidating. It would be for an adult so why wouldn't it be for a child!!!!!

A consequence would have been 'you aren't allowed to stroke her head again if you hit her'.

I'm just appalled at the outcome of your poll OP. Please don't change your view. You saw it as a threat, which is all that counts. You don't need your mother's validation in order to believe this. She's supposed to respect your boundaries even if she doesn't agree.

StarDolphins · 30/05/2024 20:39

GetyourheadoutoftheovenIris · 30/05/2024 18:54

I don’t think that it’s ok for your mum to speak like that and wouldn’t be allowing her to be in my dc life.

Goodness me🤣 no contact for a threat that wasn’t a threat?! What should she have done, let the toddler carrying on hitting the baby?

Wistler · 30/05/2024 20:36

Happyddays · 30/05/2024 18:24

OP, your toddler needs very firm handling re hitting a baby.
Absolutely unacceptable.
Your poor baby.
It shouldn't happen more than once.
I wouldn't like your mother threatening the toddler, and you clearly have issues with your mother.
However, the REAL issue is keeping the baby safe, above everything.

Edited

This. OP you can’t be allowing your toddler to hit a baby for goodness sake, you need to be there to intervene before the hitting starts. If you don’t clamp down hard on this behaviour now I dread to think what the future looks like for this child.

StarDolphins · 30/05/2024 20:34

I think YABU. Your mum said what many others would’ve. It seems like you might be looking to fall out with your mum.

stinkylionita · 30/05/2024 20:33

So you didn't stop what you were doing when baby cried and you didn't stop what you were doing when your toddler hit baby but you did stop what you were doing once your toddler was "threatened?"

The maximum number of times your toddler should have hurt your baby is once because you have a responsibility to your baby to make sure they are kept safe from your toddler.

Your toddler's feelings and lack of impulse control are developmentally normal. So is wanting to drink bleach because they like the bright bottle. We hide it out of reach. We don't let them glug it while trying to explain the reasons they shouldn't.

While you are "working on it" they shouldn't be allowed to stroke your baby if you know full well it's likely to turn into hitting. Your baby is not a play thing for your toddler to practice their impulse control on.

I actually like gentle parenting but I feel like a lot of people practising it have missed half the message. I despair at the number of parents I hear telling their young children "it's ok to be angry but not to hit" while standing there getting pummelled by toddler fists and letting it happen.

Edenmum2 · 30/05/2024 20:30

I wouldn't be happy with it either, even if there was no intent.

Realistically it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks - you are the parent and you decide what you find acceptable. Your mum needs to respect your boundaries

showerjelly · 30/05/2024 20:28

GetyourheadoutoftheovenIris · 30/05/2024 20:23

@showerjelly neither would I but the grandma didn’t have to threaten the toddler!

Oh give over, the toddler needs to be told a very firm no!!!

Not "gentle hands" sweetheart

How would the toddler feel if someone twice their size hit them?

Quelle surprise they would t like it?

Now stop tagging me and address the other five people who also think your comment is ludicrous!

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 30/05/2024 20:24

Sounds like you follow gentle parenting, it doesn’t really work when a baby is getting hit. Poor kid.

I’m with your mum.

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