Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not give way on dual carriageway?

113 replies

Cheerstoyoutoo · 30/05/2024 15:24

So I’m driving down the dual carriageway in the left lane and there’s a car waiting to turn into the lane I’m driving on although it’s not a slip road or anything, it’s just a straightforward juction so the car was stationary indicating left and waiting to turn. I continued to drive but I think they expected me to move over for them as I got the finger, flash, etc. I always move over where possible for cars merging via the slip roads but this wasn’t the set up here. The car is question turned after I and the car behind me passed so it’s not like they were even waiting very long. I’m a really nervous driver following a collision some months ago so I tend to avoid changing lanes unnecessarily but it got me wondering should I have moved in this scenario? Thanks.

OP posts:
StripedPiggy · 30/05/2024 20:18

I would have moved over & made room for the driver to pull out of the junction. Your driving was poor because you showed a lack of situational awareness & consideration for other road users. The other driver’s reaction was understandable, but unnecessarily rude.

schloss · 30/05/2024 20:17

Babyboomtastic · 30/05/2024 20:11

It's a normal junction, not a slip road. The traffic already on the road had the right of way and is under no obligation to move lanes, slow down or otherwise let him out. Like at any other junction, he should wait until it's clear unless someone chooses to let him out. Its not obligatory.

Joining from a normal junction onto a dual carriageway, where the speed can be 70mph, can be very dangerous as there is no slip road to gain speed. At 70mph type speeds, a gap to join the dual carriageway does not always appear. So the majority of other drivers will use common sense and move to the right hand lane, allowing the driver from the junction to join more safely.

Cheerstoyoutoo · 30/05/2024 20:17

Oblomov24 · 30/05/2024 19:54

You are not a safe driver. You should have moved over into the right hand lane, and the fact you didn't, instantly, without even thinking about it, shows how unsafe you are. Please take some extra lessons.

but surely that’s how accidents happen? Moving over without thinking about whether it’s safe or not? Mirror, indicate and move over. I make an assessment in-between checking my mirrors and indicating on whether or not it’s safe to change lanes. Or are you one of those people that just indicate and go regardless?

OP posts:
Happyher · 30/05/2024 20:14

If people indicate I generally let them in if it’s safe to do so. They may not be local and have got in the wrong lane by mistake, something which I’ve done several times. I get annoyed with the ones who barge in front of me without indicating causing me to brake sharply

Babyboomtastic · 30/05/2024 20:11

It's a normal junction, not a slip road. The traffic already on the road had the right of way and is under no obligation to move lanes, slow down or otherwise let him out. Like at any other junction, he should wait until it's clear unless someone chooses to let him out. Its not obligatory.

kitteninabasket · 30/05/2024 20:11

I always start checking my right mirror when I know I’m coming up to a slip road / junction that joins the DC. That way I know the likelihood of being able to move over should I need to. In the event it looks unlikely I will be able to move, then I know a few seconds in advance to slow down slightly if somebody is trying to join. If I can move, obviously I do further quick checks then make the manoeuvre. Anticipating and preparing, thinking several steps ahead, can help you to feel more on control. In your shoes I’d book advanced driving lessons to help you to feel more confident.

OneFrenchEgg · 30/05/2024 20:04

Oblomov24 · 30/05/2024 19:54

You are not a safe driver. You should have moved over into the right hand lane, and the fact you didn't, instantly, without even thinking about it, shows how unsafe you are. Please take some extra lessons.

Harsh but I agree although would have worded it a bit kinder Grin I do think courtesy to other road users is important provided you aren't holding anyone else up or making them slow down/change their course.

schloss · 30/05/2024 19:59

Confidence with driving comes by doing it - if you minimise the amount of times you move into the right lane on a dual carriageway then it will always be daunting.

As to should you have moved over - yes. Look at the situation if it was you trying to join the dual carriageway, which is always more difficult if there is not a slip lane, you would want someone to move over to allow you to easily join the road.

No the other driver should not have been rude, but moving over is the acceptable behaviour and most drivers would do it if it is clear to.

Oblomov24 · 30/05/2024 19:54

You are not a safe driver. You should have moved over into the right hand lane, and the fact you didn't, instantly, without even thinking about it, shows how unsafe you are. Please take some extra lessons.

category12 · 30/05/2024 19:49

That was my thinking. I just didn’t know people expected it… abit entitled really. I care more about being safe than being nice.

But staying in lane isn't necessarily safer - sometimes people will just pull out and 'though they're in the wrong, being right isn't much comfort if you get hit.

The same with chugging along behind a tractor for miles - people behind you may get frustrated and attempt to pass both you and the tractor, making it a longer riskier manoeuvre. Again, that's their fault for impatience if it goes wrong, but it's still poor driving on your part due to feeling unable to drive decisively and take safe opportunities to pass.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 30/05/2024 19:44

Cheerstoyoutoo · 30/05/2024 15:32

Yeah, it’s a weird feeling. I just feel like I’m in a constant state of hypervigilance whilst driving especially when DD is in the car with me. I have thought about trying to do the pass plus as only passed two year ago. I will change lanes when I really have to, I just tend to avoid it. Also hate overtaking too.

I don't think you should beat yourself up. It took me ages to feel confident driving, especially on fast roads and with the dch in the car. I still only overtake if I've got loads of room. So an advanced course might give you confidence, but you're not doing anything wrong and people on MN can be a bit harsh on inexperienced drivers, IMO.

NerrSnerr · 30/05/2024 19:37

That was my thinking. I just didn’t know people expected it… abit entitled really. I care more about being safe than being nice.

@Cheerstoyoutoo with all due respect, if you feel that you are unsafe changing lanes on a dual carriageway then you need more lessons. It's really as simple as mirror, signal, manoeuvre and go. I always check mirrors, signal, have a quick peek over shoulder and go. If you do that it can't be unsafe as you'll know if there's something there.

tiggergoesbounce · 30/05/2024 19:26

I always move over where possible. It worries me that people are on the road who feel uncomfortable to simply move over in a lane.

I hate it ( in the different scenario to yours) when driver don't get over on the motorway to let you in off the slip roads, they really shouldn't be driving on a motorway if they can't change lanes, they are a hazard.

bozzabollix · 30/05/2024 18:40

Driving instructor here. This worries me somewhat. Yes if you’re on a dual carriageway with a junction where somebody has to stop before joining you don’t need to move over. But a slip road joining does depend on people moving over to let others on, if one of my students couldn’t change lane then they certainly wouldn’t be competent enough to face a driving test. Being reluctant to change lane when it’s safe is dangerous.

If you only passed two years ago seek out your old instructor and pay for a lesson. It’ll take just the one and could save you from an accident. There’s no shame in going back for some help, I’d be happy to do that with any of my ex students, especially if they found themselves anxious about something. These things are easily fixed.

category12 · 30/05/2024 18:39

I think you need to improve your confidence with lane-changes and over-taking.

You're not in the wrong, but you should feel confident enough in your judgement to be able to overtake a tractor where it's safe to do so.

Porridgeislife · 30/05/2024 18:34

You were entirely in the right. People thinking they have to shift over is why motorways start slowing down around every junction point because people start losing the confidence to merge into traffic seamlessly. Giving way or moving over to people joining traffic is a peculiar UK habit I haven’t seen when driving on the continent or Australia/New Zealand/US/Canada.

Cheerstoyoutoo · 30/05/2024 18:33

YouveGotAFastCar · 30/05/2024 15:48

The polite thing to do is to move over, but his response was unwarranted.

That said; it doesn’t sound like you’re a safe driver at the moment if you’re afraid of changing lanes and overtaking. Those are necessary manoeuvres.

just wondering when overtaking is a necessary manoeuvre in your opinion though? I would overtake if someone was broken down in the road, or if it’s a dual carriageway and there’s a tractor or something. I don’t like overtaking on single carriageways but did so recently when someone had broken down although I am that car that sits behind a tractor at 40 unless ofcourse there’s an overtaking lane.

OP posts:
MessyHouseHappyHouse · 30/05/2024 18:30

You did the right thing OP.

There was no reason why he couldn’t have waited until the road was clear and therefore safe, before joining the carriageway. He was just another impatient arsehole, so don’t give it a second thought.

Cheerstoyoutoo · 30/05/2024 18:28

PippyLongTits · 30/05/2024 15:29

Continuing to drive was the right course of action. You have right of way and a responsibility to the person behind you to keep the flow of traffic moving. The other driver can come onto the road when there is a gap in traffic and when it is safe for them to do so.

Edited

That was my thinking. I just didn’t know people expected it… abit entitled really. I care more about being safe than being nice.

OP posts:
Lemonade2011 · 30/05/2024 16:44

I got this the other day, I’d moved over to merge off onto the next motorway and a stupid young lad with his friend in a white Audi started glaring at me etc there was no indication to suggest they wanted over to my lane. I think sometimes we are meant to be mind readers, I mean you’d think no one had added blinking indicators to vehicles to let others know their intentions.

i think some drivers are very entitled and think they can just drive how they like

Cheerstoyoutoo · 30/05/2024 16:28

notintheseparts · 30/05/2024 15:40

I'm not sure how you could have had time to see he was giving you the "finger, flash etc" given that you would have been passing him going at least 40mph (I've not seen a dual carriageway with a lower limit) while he was stationary. You would only have been able to see him for a fraction of a second.
If you were actually only crawling along as there was congestion, then it would have been polite to slow down and let him out but not AFAIK a legal requirement.

I was going 60mph and I clearly saw them give me the finger through the passenger window.

OP posts:
Btrsun10 · 30/05/2024 15:52

Yes, it may have been "nice" to have done so but by not doing so you were in no way in the wrong and should definitely not feel bad about it.
I lived in Germany for a long time and driving there is so different. There is no guilt on people to drive nicely. There is however the onus to drive properly.
Sometimes, moving to be nice can cause an accident. Slowing to let someone out might be nice but it can cause an accident!

TheCompactPussycat · 30/05/2024 15:48

You don't have to move over but it would be polite to do so, and would show consideration and awareness of other road users.

YouveGotAFastCar · 30/05/2024 15:48

The polite thing to do is to move over, but his response was unwarranted.

That said; it doesn’t sound like you’re a safe driver at the moment if you’re afraid of changing lanes and overtaking. Those are necessary manoeuvres.

CallThatCloudy · 30/05/2024 15:46

Don't think twice about it. He was wrong to expect you to change lanes.