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Fall out with Grandson

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LadySmurf · 30/05/2024 06:30

Recently I was asked to look after my two grandsons 14 & 8. The 14yo can be a handful with his behaviour and language, but we had a lovely time together, I took them out for the day and they wanted to sleep over. The next morning, 14yo was stroppy and swearing - I asked him to stop and not talk like that. The 8yo said “Mum said if you’re naughty they’ll take away your Xbox for a week” well it was like a red rag. He started shouting and swearing at me - then he punched me in the stomach. I’m very sad and horrified to say, I smacked his face in a reactive moment. When his parents came, I explained what happened and said sorry to him. They said he would apologise the next day - but nothing.
They took him home and now a month on, I’ve not had any contact with him, only the rest of the family.
I saw him yesterday when I visited their house. I said hello and asked how he was? He ignored me and told his brother he hates me.
Its his birthday next week - I don’t feel like giving him a gift. should I still? AIBU?

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Ioverslept · 30/05/2024 18:09

Absolutely no gift. A card yes with an honest message if you like, be prepared for it not to be read but a least you can reach out to maybe make him empathise. I would also have a conversation with the parent and try to support them in finding a way forward to change his attitude.

Cuppachino · 30/05/2024 18:08

@WearyAuldWumman I have read your posts and just want to say that I am so sorry for what happened to you at the hands of that vile, nasty little thug. I really wish society would crack down on these thugs and their parents but I know that's controversial.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 30/05/2024 18:08

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This is asking quite a lot, isn't it?

betterangels · 30/05/2024 18:06

WearyAuldWumman · 30/05/2024 17:48

You'd be surprised.

The 14/15 yr old boy who punched me and two of my colleagues was reported the police. Somehow, they "lost the statements" but still managed to have him referred to SACRO.

A gentleman from SACRO phoned me at work. He explained that the boy had been the victim of a homophobic attack (Nope! He chased another boy into my room and started to beat him up.) and that I'd 'got in the way.' (Nope. I was standing well back - I was waiting to take a second pregnancy test, since my first had been inconclusive - thought I had maybe just seen an evaporation line.)

The boy was "sorry" and wanted a "restorative conversation". I refused.

A few years later, as an adult who had just returned to the are, he was boasting about punching me in the stomach. I found out because a couple of girls in my class asked whether I remembered X and was it true that he'd punched me in the stomach? They found it amusing.

They found assault amusing? Disgusting.

The whole thing sounds disgusting. I'm sorry (also for your miscarriage).

Cuppachino · 30/05/2024 18:04

Anonymouseposter · 30/05/2024 18:01

Yes, I do know that no one has to put up with violence but, putting myself in OP’s shoes I would be extremely disappointed in my grandson but also concerned that he was on track to grow up to become a violent thug. I would be thinking of the most strategic way to help avert this. I would also be aware that my influence was very limited and it was really up to the parents. It would be in my mind that he’s still adolescent and has capacity to change. I don’t agree with the poster who’s saying the grandmother is in the wrong and has behaved in a terrible way but as a gran I would not “so wish” not to have a relationship with him going forward. I may be telling both my child and my grandchild that if it occurred again I would call the police. Perhaps that would result in me being cut off, depending on what the parents are like?

You would still want a relationship if he showed no remorse whatsoever? Then said he hated you after the assault? I would have nothing to do with him unless there was a serious level of intervention and a recognition of what he did. I suppose we're all different.

Anonymouseposter · 30/05/2024 18:01

Cuppachino · 30/05/2024 17:35

I feel like I need to reply to this again. You do know that it's ok to not put up with violence against you don't you? Even if it is a family member. OP would have every right to never see him again if she so wished.

Yes, I do know that no one has to put up with violence but, putting myself in OP’s shoes I would be extremely disappointed in my grandson but also concerned that he was on track to grow up to become a violent thug. I would be thinking of the most strategic way to help avert this. I would also be aware that my influence was very limited and it was really up to the parents. It would be in my mind that he’s still adolescent and has capacity to change. I don’t agree with the poster who’s saying the grandmother is in the wrong and has behaved in a terrible way but as a gran I would not “so wish” not to have a relationship with him going forward. I may be telling both my child and my grandchild that if it occurred again I would call the police. Perhaps that would result in me being cut off, depending on what the parents are like?

Cuppachino · 30/05/2024 18:01

showerjelly · 30/05/2024 17:58

It's not that bloody difficult!

Christ!

I know right. According to that logic we should all be making life easy for teenage brutes...and then buy them their gift of choice. Must tell my teenagers I've been doing it all wrong.

showerjelly · 30/05/2024 17:58

Despair1 · 30/05/2024 16:43

This young man needs unconditional love, very difficult stage of life. I am not condoning what he did but the behaviour issues need to be addressed in the longer term by his parents. And yes, you do need to buy him a birthday present!

It's not that bloody difficult!

Christ!

Port1aCastis · 30/05/2024 17:57

The little shit is very lucky he only got a slap after punching his GM in the stomach which is assault. What was the punishment from his parents for being so brutal ? Damn sure I wouldn't be giving a gift to reward such violence.
The violent teenager will grow to be a violent abuser if his parents don't sort him out quickly

User8646382 · 30/05/2024 17:56

LakeTiticaca · 30/05/2024 17:53

You beat me too it. They need to bring back Borstal instead of treating these youths like misunderstood Teddy bears.
As a child, my mother used to threaten me with Borstal. I didn't know what it was but I didn't like the sound of it 😄

It would be a good start if parents taught their kids how to behave. The problem is most parents don’t know how to behave anymore either.

Moreorlessmentallystable · 30/05/2024 17:55

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Are you serious? What is the appropriate response to someone punching you in the stomach? The gran would have been in shock?

Lavenderflower · 30/05/2024 17:55

I have not read all the comments. I think it is shocking someone would punch their nan, even most criminals and murderers wouldn't attack their parent/grandparent.

LakeTiticaca · 30/05/2024 17:53

cerisepanther73 · 30/05/2024 17:45

he would have ended up in Borstal correction unit back in the day 🙄
to sort him out,

He could well be on his way to become a crim in the slammer sooner or later,

I bet he wouldn't try that kind of shit out on a teenager same age as him or a bigger build on him,

He is total disgrace !

You beat me too it. They need to bring back Borstal instead of treating these youths like misunderstood Teddy bears.
As a child, my mother used to threaten me with Borstal. I didn't know what it was but I didn't like the sound of it 😄

GingerPirate · 30/05/2024 17:49

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Are you deranged?

WearyAuldWumman · 30/05/2024 17:48

User8646382 · 30/05/2024 12:10

It all sounds a bit unlikely to me, especially the bit about the grandmother apologising to the 14 year old. That just isn’t plausible, not even in this crazy looking glass world we’re all currently trapped in.

If it is true, it’s one of the worst things I have read on here. Imagine anyone punching their grandmother. That’s not a teenager, it’s a monster. I would disown any of my kids for doing that. No question - I’d have them put in care. There’s a limit to what anyone could put up with and that would be it for me.

You'd be surprised.

The 14/15 yr old boy who punched me and two of my colleagues was reported the police. Somehow, they "lost the statements" but still managed to have him referred to SACRO.

A gentleman from SACRO phoned me at work. He explained that the boy had been the victim of a homophobic attack (Nope! He chased another boy into my room and started to beat him up.) and that I'd 'got in the way.' (Nope. I was standing well back - I was waiting to take a second pregnancy test, since my first had been inconclusive - thought I had maybe just seen an evaporation line.)

The boy was "sorry" and wanted a "restorative conversation". I refused.

A few years later, as an adult who had just returned to the are, he was boasting about punching me in the stomach. I found out because a couple of girls in my class asked whether I remembered X and was it true that he'd punched me in the stomach? They found it amusing.

BettyUnderswoob · 30/05/2024 17:45

I haven’t had time to RTFT, but in 12 years of very regular MNing @Cicciabella ‘s post was by far the stupidest thing I’ve ever read on here; and I’ve encountered some bloody stupid things on MN!

cerisepanther73 · 30/05/2024 17:45

he would have ended up in Borstal correction unit back in the day 🙄
to sort him out,

He could well be on his way to become a crim in the slammer sooner or later,

I bet he wouldn't try that kind of shit out on a teenager same age as him or a bigger build on him,

He is total disgrace !

gardenmusic · 30/05/2024 17:45

I despair. I really do.

All the time we have WOMEN telling us to let it go, not retaliate (physically or legally) to be the bigger person, that he didn't mean it, that every thump means he loves you really, that it is OK for a male to lay his hands on you in anger, as long as you explain the error of his ways, we will never be free of this shit.

You apologists, you 'gentle parents', you are the problem.
He might have a shred of an excuse if he has been badly parented, you have no excuse for spouting your idiocy on here.

Do you think he gives a toss about explanations? How long you talk to him? How sweet and supportive you are about it? Wether he gets a birthday present from OP?
He's not bothered. Do something that will bother him.
HE THUMPED HIS GRANNY!
(Hope he didn't hurt his poor little hand - perhaps some of you gentle people will check that for me?)

lightsandtunnels · 30/05/2024 17:45

I would have dragged my DS out the house by his ear if he'd done this to his Grandmother. Jesus OP. You should not be the one apologising for this. His parents should be ashamed if they haven't addressed this. Your reaction after being punched was completely human and understandable. I would however, be keen to keep lines of communication open with the family and your Grandson so would organise a gift as normal. And he doesn't really hate you.

Terrribletwos · 30/05/2024 17:44

LadySmurf · 30/05/2024 06:30

Recently I was asked to look after my two grandsons 14 & 8. The 14yo can be a handful with his behaviour and language, but we had a lovely time together, I took them out for the day and they wanted to sleep over. The next morning, 14yo was stroppy and swearing - I asked him to stop and not talk like that. The 8yo said “Mum said if you’re naughty they’ll take away your Xbox for a week” well it was like a red rag. He started shouting and swearing at me - then he punched me in the stomach. I’m very sad and horrified to say, I smacked his face in a reactive moment. When his parents came, I explained what happened and said sorry to him. They said he would apologise the next day - but nothing.
They took him home and now a month on, I’ve not had any contact with him, only the rest of the family.
I saw him yesterday when I visited their house. I said hello and asked how he was? He ignored me and told his brother he hates me.
Its his birthday next week - I don’t feel like giving him a gift. should I still? AIBU?

I assume you called the parents straightaway and told them he punched you in the stomach? What was their response?

Ifyoucouldreadmymindlove · 30/05/2024 17:42

The horrible little prick punched you in the stomach. That is utterly unforgivable. You reacted and smacked him. The very least he deserved. What consequences did he face form his parents?!

Schoolchoicesucks · 30/05/2024 17:42

gardenmusic · 30/05/2024 17:32

'I think give a gift but at some stage sit him down alone and explain that punching people and shouting and swearing is not good, ask for an apology and then give a big hug when he does apologise and then let that be an end to it.'

Were he 2, this would be the answer.

Exactly. A 2 year old, a 4 year old this would be how to address it. A 6 or 8 year old I would expect them to show remorse and for there to have been a suitable punishment. I highly doubt the OP would have reacted with the slap had it been a young or small child.

A 14 year punching an adult (particularly an older woman) should fully well expect serious consequences. A slap round the face being the least of them.

FluffyJellyCat · 30/05/2024 17:42

I have three sons, we have had some extremely challenging times and not once has one ever raised his hand to me. The eldest is 20. Two are in SEN schools. The eldest was a persistent school refuser so we have seen some real shitty times.

Either we are weird or this is very unusual behaviour from the grandson.

My dd had pda and suprise she has never hit me either and she has a temper like no other.

JustMove · 30/05/2024 17:40

I know where all the abused and beaten women are going wrong now.
They should just simply apologise to the blokes who beat them and buy him a nice present.
That way, he will learn his lesson and never raise his hand again.
Apparently!!

Todaywasbetter · 30/05/2024 17:39

He has clearly told his parents a different story. That explains why they haven’t brought it up with you.
I would book a time to meet with your daughter and her husband when the son is not around and explain exactly what happened what he did what you did you have apologised he clearly has not. Yours was a gut reaction to pain.

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