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Bulgarian UC benefit scammers took at least £50m, possibly £250m per annum, via complex fraud.

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Papyrophile · 29/05/2024 20:46

There's a trial happening in north London right now, with five Bulgarians in the dock for organising the largest benefit fraud operation ever in the UK. It was detected by the Bulgarian police. Where were the UK authorities during this? Asleep?

A link to the Telegraph, but paywalled, so good luck accessing it. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/28/bulgarian-town-boomed-from-uks-biggest-benefits-fraud/

The Bulgarian town that boomed from UK’s biggest benefits fraud

Gang who may have taken hundreds of millions in British welfare caught when inspector noticed sudden rise in wealth

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/28/bulgarian-town-boomed-from-uks-biggest-benefits-fraud

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MaturingCheeseball · 31/05/2024 13:25

FYI tax avoidance is legal. Eg interest on savings in an ISA are not taxed. Tax evasion is illegal, ie taking steps to not pay or hide what you owe. Obviously tax inspectors (who are not rich and I suspect have few rich mates!) need to be more numerous and well-supported.

Something clearly needs to change. These benefit fraudsters should be the catalyst for overhauling the system. For a start, no child benefit for non-resident in UK children.

PenguinLord · 31/05/2024 12:20

suburburban · 31/05/2024 11:31

True

It makes me wonder if there are insiders in the system turning a blind eye. What a terrible situation

Of course there are, why scrutinise their mates and themselves when they can boost their ratings with DM readers and reshifting people's attention towards migrants rather than the real issues.

suburburban · 31/05/2024 11:31

PenguinLord · 31/05/2024 06:26

Still a drop compared to tax avoidance- convenient no one in the government is focusing on that!
HMRC estimates around £400 million in tax was lost in 2020/21 because of avoidance schemes, and a further £800 million was lost in other forms of avoidance behaviour, i.e underreporting income and writing off personal expenses.

True

It makes me wonder if there are insiders in the system turning a blind eye. What a terrible situation

Bululu · 31/05/2024 09:39

I never claimed benefits but in our families we work endless hours and pay a lot in income tax and the target for tax raises. It is infuriating to read this. If it was this easy there must be more cases.

PenguinLord · 31/05/2024 09:34

JudgeJ · 31/05/2024 06:27

You seem surprised! The level of abuse of the UK benefits system by outsiders is staggering.

What about insiders who owe HMRC over 1bn £ from tax avoidance?

Onemoreterm · 31/05/2024 09:04

It would be great if there could be a real crackdown on benefit fraud, tax avoidance and tax evasion instead of politicians just going for the lazy option of increasing taxes.

Ciderlout · 31/05/2024 08:54

Alexandra2001 · 31/05/2024 08:46

Lol You think Benefit fraud has stopped???? EU citizens can still come to the UK for 6 months, unchecked and the issue of NI numbers is still on going.... the black economy is booming.

...and thats before we get onto UK citizens.

Another mistake you might wish to correct.... 1/2 the population? you really mean less than 35% of the electorate.

No I don’t think ongoing fraud has stopped at all, this is the tip of the iceberg I suspect.

Thank god free movement has stopped.

Half of the population that bothered to vote then if you want to be precise!

Ciderlout · 31/05/2024 08:50

Alexandra2001 · 31/05/2024 08:40

Rubbish, the fraud carried on after we left the EU.... EU citizens could only ever claim what a UK citizen could, there was never an EU only benefits system.
As a council official once told me "the law is only there for those who wish to obey it"

Do we ever read about brits defrauding the French or German benefits systems? nope.

UK once again blaming the EU for the lack of UK accountability.

No one said there was only an EU benefits system!

Believe me I do hold the UK accountable!

Alexandra2001 · 31/05/2024 08:46

Ciderlout · 31/05/2024 08:37

That’s why I said RTFT as I already corrected my mistake!

Nah it definitely wasn’t like for like or even anywhere close. Some EU countries benefited far more than others….

Thank god there has been a stop to it now. Clearly half the population wanted it to stop.

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Lol You think Benefit fraud has stopped???? EU citizens can still come to the UK for 6 months, unchecked and the issue of NI numbers is still on going.... the black economy is booming.

...and thats before we get onto UK citizens.

Another mistake you might wish to correct.... 1/2 the population? you really mean less than 35% of the electorate.

youngones1 · 31/05/2024 08:43

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 30/05/2024 20:32

Drop in the ocean. Benefit tourism is rife. Pretending to rent homes that are rarely lived in, children not in school for months at a time, carers not even in the same country as the people they are meant to be caring for. UC is a joke.

And healthcare tourism, people arriving with complex health issues who go on to spend months and months in our hospitals all at our expense.

Alexandra2001 · 31/05/2024 08:40

Ciderlout · 30/05/2024 14:50

None of that counts if you were EU citizen. They could claim everything even for kids that’s didn’t live here. Then you have to jump through hoops for you DH to be allowed here….

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Rubbish, the fraud carried on after we left the EU.... EU citizens could only ever claim what a UK citizen could, there was never an EU only benefits system.
As a council official once told me "the law is only there for those who wish to obey it"

Do we ever read about brits defrauding the French or German benefits systems? nope.

UK once again blaming the EU for the lack of UK accountability.

WithACatLikeTread · 31/05/2024 08:39

We seem to get a monthly commitment thing to agree to every month. I am not sure but they do look at plane tickets etc to see if anyone is out of the country more than 28 days.

Mycatsmudge · 31/05/2024 08:37

Most other European countries have a contributory welfare and health system with id cards so much harder to commit benefits fraud and health tourism. One of the reasons why Britain is a target for fraudsters is because much easier to go undetected and even if found out civil servant lawyer friend says few Civil servants want to take cases further due to said red tape especially if fraudsters are foreign as they don’t want to be accused of being bigots and racists

Ciderlout · 31/05/2024 08:37

Piddypigeon · 31/05/2024 08:19

That's not what you said it it worked thf other way round in the past too to the benefit of Brits. But news alert, we left the EU and it hasn't been possible for years

That’s why I said RTFT as I already corrected my mistake!

Nah it definitely wasn’t like for like or even anywhere close. Some EU countries benefited far more than others….

Thank god there has been a stop to it now. Clearly half the population wanted it to stop.

Zxz71 · 31/05/2024 08:32

FLOWER1983 · 31/05/2024 08:31

That is not true re JSA , when i claimed for a month last year and rang them i need to change my sign on date as i will be away for 5 days they immediately closed my claim, they said i can't leave the country when claiming JSA

JSA is a different benefit to UC. UC can be claimed with no contact or attendance in person for years. JSA, you're there every fortnight so it's harder to scam.

FLOWER1983 · 31/05/2024 08:31

Zxz71 · 30/05/2024 17:17

Yes and one of the ways they can prove they are habitually resident is to set up shell companies which don't actually exist such as shops which will then report their earnings to HMRC so it looks like they actually live here. Very few checks have been made by HMRC on the legitimacy of these companies until recently. As it looks as though they are earning a decent amount, they aren't called in for appointments so they can continue to claim U C without question.

Lots of these people aren't even in this country. They make all sorts of excuses not to attend appointments to continue their claims when they are caught. They will then produce false documents showing school attendance, doctors registration etc to prove they are here (the documents are often laughably poor).

The old system of JSA was that if you didn't turn up to sign on, your money was not released from the system. Now it can continue to be paid to people and their full families who aren't even in this country.

Multiple claims of housing costs are made for the same properties. False childcare costs are claimed.

Any possible loophole is exposed and abused.

That is not true re JSA , when i claimed for a month last year and rang them i need to change my sign on date as i will be away for 5 days they immediately closed my claim, they said i can't leave the country when claiming JSA

Piddypigeon · 31/05/2024 08:19

Ciderlout · 31/05/2024 07:46

RTFT, I meant EU citizens could.

That's not what you said it it worked thf other way round in the past too to the benefit of Brits. But news alert, we left the EU and it hasn't been possible for years

LakeTiticaca · 31/05/2024 08:17

This is why we need ID cards with a thumb print. No ID card=no benefits

Mrsdyna · 31/05/2024 07:48

What a pathetic country we are now.

Ciderlout · 31/05/2024 07:46

Piddypigeon · 31/05/2024 07:33

no they can't! do people really believe this???

RTFT, I meant EU citizens could.

Piddypigeon · 31/05/2024 07:33

Ciderlout · 30/05/2024 13:52

You would think it couldn’t be right, but no no, anyone and his dog can move here and start claiming…. Absolute joke and to think our own citizens can hardly afford to feed themselves. This is why so many folk voted Brexit.

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no they can't! do people really believe this???

RosaRoja · 31/05/2024 07:03

Firstly, this is on the scammers. However, the system doesn’t sound robust enough and there aren’t enough staff at DWP, not enough Police, prosecutors etc. Everything is so badly managed.

PP mentioned Mone and her millions? What IS happening about that?

fashionqueen0123 · 31/05/2024 06:52

Zxz71 · 30/05/2024 17:17

Yes and one of the ways they can prove they are habitually resident is to set up shell companies which don't actually exist such as shops which will then report their earnings to HMRC so it looks like they actually live here. Very few checks have been made by HMRC on the legitimacy of these companies until recently. As it looks as though they are earning a decent amount, they aren't called in for appointments so they can continue to claim U C without question.

Lots of these people aren't even in this country. They make all sorts of excuses not to attend appointments to continue their claims when they are caught. They will then produce false documents showing school attendance, doctors registration etc to prove they are here (the documents are often laughably poor).

The old system of JSA was that if you didn't turn up to sign on, your money was not released from the system. Now it can continue to be paid to people and their full families who aren't even in this country.

Multiple claims of housing costs are made for the same properties. False childcare costs are claimed.

Any possible loophole is exposed and abused.

This is what I didn’t get. It said some of the people turned up once to get the benefits but others didn’t even enter the U.K.
Years ago I claimed job seekers for a few months and I had to turn up every two weeks in person. What happens now ?! Just apply online?

Zimunya · 31/05/2024 06:43

pitterpatterrain · 31/05/2024 01:33

Yes and other countries do things like only fund citizens rather than temporary residents / those on a work permit

Example is Singapore - non-citizens pay for their own healthcare / schooling / library card / museum access / transport etc that for citizens is free / subsidized

They also have National service in Singapore, so maybe the Tories are moving towards a Singapore plan! We will never know, as it’s unlikely they will win the election.

Delawear · 31/05/2024 06:29

pointythings · 30/05/2024 14:02

Well, of course they got away with it. The DWP were far too busy hounding people on carers allowance for being pennies over the limit. And given that they couldn't be bothered to.use the tracking systems they had to notify people, is it any wonder that this happened with UC fraud? The DWP like to go after easy, vulnerable targets rather than get stuck in tackling gangs like this one.

Yes, the incompetence is staggering isn’t it?