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In-laws arrange events knowing my eldest will be at her dad’s

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ThoroughlyDisgruntled · 29/05/2024 12:37

Received a formal invitation to an event organised by BiL and his partner for me, husband and our two younger children with no mention of my eldest girl who is 10.
I rang SiL (whose number was down for RSVP, not because she is a woman) and asked about my eldest.
She said that she thought eldest would be with her dad, I agreed but said he would be more than willing to change the date.
SiL just blatantly said she couldn’t see point if my daughter already had plans.
She then intimated that MiL had said to choose this particular date but when asked to clarify she back tracked. I persisted and she said it was too late but if anyone dropped out she could come. This had to be practically dragged out of her.
I now realise on reflection that they have lots of informal events when my girl isn’t there.
So am I unreasonable to want my girl at events with her sisters, on my husband’s side even if she could be with her dad?

OP posts:
verdibird · 30/05/2024 16:25

This. It is mean to exclude a child.

DaisyChain505 · 30/05/2024 16:15

Why would there be photos of her up in their houses. Yet again you’re thinking people should view your child as you do through your eyes.

Razorwire · 30/05/2024 15:31

Don’t forget the resentment this behavior could create in OP house. No child should be feeling second class in family.

RitaIncognita · 30/05/2024 15:14

I continue to be stunned at the people who are defending OP's in laws. The child is being excluded, and it's pretty obvious based on the SIL and BIL's responses. The in-laws don't have to accept her as a grandchild, but they can at least avoid taking actions that intentionally exclude a child, especially from a family event where her sisters are invited.

CountingCrones · 30/05/2024 15:06

Why would photos of her be up at your MIL's or BIL's houses? Unless it was a groups shot with her sisters and cousins, obviously.

She's your daughter and you love her, which is as it should be. Your DH chose to become her stepfather, and should also love her. But that's as far as it goes with his family.

She's not your MIL's grandchild, not your BIL and SIL's niece. As long as they are nice to her, not unkind, isn't that fine? They are scheduling things for when she isn't around rather than being unkind and excluding her when she could attend.

Your eldest has a paternal family that has nothing to do with her half-sisters, and they have a paternal extended family that has little to do with her. That's the nature of blended families.

OhmygodDont · 30/05/2024 14:57

She’s 10. Of course she couldn’t be on someone’s knee. She’s not a baby or a toddler. Unless your trying to imply you’d bump one of your younger children’s places for the older one… which would be rude when they where actually invited.

No photos of who your eldest? At whose house? Mils? Have you ever given her a picture to put up. I mean again could be way out there but I wouldn’t take a random photo of my sons wife’s child and put it on my fridge or mantle unless I was expressively given it, or it also had the siblings in.

TinyYellow · 30/05/2024 14:43

I don’t understand the extremity of some of these responses. OP your daughter is not being deliberately excluded from an event. In laws have just chosen a date that works for the people directly involved. It’s very entitled to expect them to develop their choice of dates around a step child’s contact schedule with their other parent.

You are minimising the value her father has in her life. If you dd sees him regularly then it is fair for your in laws to assume that her paternal family are fulfilling the role for her that they are providing for your younger children. They’d be overstepping if they thought their events were as important to your daughter as seeing her father is.

Hugosmaid · 30/05/2024 14:26

ThoroughlyDisgruntled · 30/05/2024 14:17

Brother-in-Law and Sister-in-Law have been together donkey’s years, they got married with parents, siblings and a couple of close friends. I wasn’t invited but neither were the husbands and wives of the others They didn’t want fuss
I believe that it is mother-in-law who is either paying or at least making a heavy contribution towards this meal.
Husband spoke to his brother last night, very much against his will although he did promise that he wouldn’t say it was me who was upset.
BiL could not understand at all, insisting that we could bring her if there was no alternative but as she would be with her dad he just couldn’t see the problem . He had been told by SiL there was no room unless someone drops out. She doesn’t want little one on anyone’s knees either as she’d become restless.
I don’t know what to do

Your sil and bil wedding speaks volumes about this family dynamic. They view anyone not blood as outsiders

Dorsnt mean you have to play along. I’d not even bother going. Let your DH take the kids and you plan something else

ThoroughlyDisgruntled · 30/05/2024 14:22

Another thing is the other sister-in-law, not for one minute do I think that by asking my eldest about her cousins and was being nasty but it had the effect of my daughter realising this beautiful baby wasn’t considered a cousin and immediately shut down and withdrew.
If demonstrated to me that the family saw a distinction. No photos of her are up in the kitchen either.

OP posts:
ThoroughlyDisgruntled · 30/05/2024 14:17

Brother-in-Law and Sister-in-Law have been together donkey’s years, they got married with parents, siblings and a couple of close friends. I wasn’t invited but neither were the husbands and wives of the others They didn’t want fuss
I believe that it is mother-in-law who is either paying or at least making a heavy contribution towards this meal.
Husband spoke to his brother last night, very much against his will although he did promise that he wouldn’t say it was me who was upset.
BiL could not understand at all, insisting that we could bring her if there was no alternative but as she would be with her dad he just couldn’t see the problem . He had been told by SiL there was no room unless someone drops out. She doesn’t want little one on anyone’s knees either as she’d become restless.
I don’t know what to do

OP posts:
TotalDramarama24 · 30/05/2024 12:32

I'm not surprised they didn't attend the communion. Firstly they are not catholic and secondly they probably thought that it's not really their place to attend - it's a religious event for the OP's family and the OP's XH's family to come together and enjoy, not the new husband's relatives. I'm surprised the XH agreed to invite them all actually.

ABirdsEyeView · 30/05/2024 11:36

I guess you'll know for sure about the communion, if they make the effort to attend your other dc's.

I don't think anyone expects step grandparents to love a child in the same way they love their biological grandchildren - so much of that is about personalities, length and type of relationship etc. But deliberately planning family events for when the step grandchild is elsewhere , is just awful. It's not at all comparable to the normal step family stuff where a kid may miss something because they happen to be elsewhere , it's the purposeful excluding. Hideous people!

Ilovecleaning · 30/05/2024 11:03

LoisFarquar · 30/05/2024 10:24

Google is your friend here.

But in fact you’re demonstrating my point. Some people don’t know what a first communion is, or wouldn’t attend one.

What does it matter FGS? I recently attended a stepchild’s Bar Mitzvah and I’m as Jewish as the Pope.

Reugny · 30/05/2024 11:02

spriots · 30/05/2024 10:45

I really think most children would prefer to live with their dad than their step dad if their mother died.

And the inheritance thing can happen both ways - what if the stepdaughter inherited more from her dad?

It's just life with a blended family, not everything is going to be the same

It depends on the individual child.

If the child has half-siblings they have lived with all their life and the step-parent treats them well then they can prefer to remain living with them. I know children, now adults, who have. Otherwise they have to live with their parent and their parent's partner plus children they don't know as well.

spriots · 30/05/2024 10:45

EatTheGnome · 30/05/2024 10:37

Of course but imagine two of your kids buying a home and one not able to. How would that help the sibling relationship?

And her dad might live miles away and mean moving schools, away from siblings etc if there was a tragedy. Imagine being ripped away from your family home because you're no longer family.

I really think most children would prefer to live with their dad than their step dad if their mother died.

And the inheritance thing can happen both ways - what if the stepdaughter inherited more from her dad?

It's just life with a blended family, not everything is going to be the same

OhmygodDont · 30/05/2024 10:42

EatTheGnome · 30/05/2024 10:37

Of course but imagine two of your kids buying a home and one not able to. How would that help the sibling relationship?

And her dad might live miles away and mean moving schools, away from siblings etc if there was a tragedy. Imagine being ripped away from your family home because you're no longer family.

Adults should think of all of this before they decide to mix families.

These are all issues adults choose to overlook when deciding to pick a new partner once they have children.

spriots · 30/05/2024 10:41

I think there's a lot of middle ground between loving a child like your own child/niece/granddaughter and being horrible/treating them badly.

It's lovely if stepparents and step families genuinely do love them as their own. But I think it's also fine if they are kind and inclusive when they interact with the kids but don't see them as their own.

EatTheGnome · 30/05/2024 10:37

OhmygodDont · 30/05/2024 10:33

She visits a her dad that’s the whole point of this thread. The in-laws arrange stuff for when she’s with her dad. How many children would pick to live just with their step over their mum/dad. Not many.

By leaving unevenly you can do more harm than good to the sibling relationship. It’s not just about the cash but it’s the emotions within it. That mum loved her/him more because they got more. I expect nothing from my father (step) I do expect my mother to treat me and my siblings equally though because we are all hers.

Edited

Of course but imagine two of your kids buying a home and one not able to. How would that help the sibling relationship?

And her dad might live miles away and mean moving schools, away from siblings etc if there was a tragedy. Imagine being ripped away from your family home because you're no longer family.

EatTheGnome · 30/05/2024 10:35

LoisFarquar · 30/05/2024 10:29

Why would he love her like her mother, though? This little girl has two parents actively involved in her life. The most continuously good step-parenting relationships I know in my circle are the ones where the step parent is very much not a parent-figure, just a kind, interested, benign presence that’s not trying to pretend a parent role when the child already has parents.

She would presumably live with the other parent if one died, unless different arrangements had been made? She’s almost of of an age to be consulted about this, surely. I’ve certainly talked to my 12 year old about who he’d want to live with if Dah and I died.

My exact point is that OP needs to think about this stuff and make those plans, precisely as you have done. Everyone has different expectations. My stepparents have always been heavily involved and as an adult I often text and meet them each seperately. Coffees or shopping trips with stepparents when mum or dad are working etc, going to birthdays on each stepparents side of the family, going to their kids parties. No one way is right.

And thats OK.

My point is just that OP needs to make plans Now she knows this info.

OhmygodDont · 30/05/2024 10:33

EatTheGnome · 30/05/2024 10:28

Away from her siblings and family home? Is dad on the scene?

If I had 3 I'd want them all to have the same and would consider splitting my estate unevenly to make sure that happens e.g. approx 70k to eldest, 15k each to other 2. Dh can then split his 100k 50/50 so all siblings get around 65-70k.

My point is OP needs to consider this and make some serious decisions.

Edited

She visits a her dad that’s the whole point of this thread. The in-laws arrange stuff for when she’s with her dad. How many children would pick to live just with their step over their mum/dad. Not many.

By leaving unevenly you can do more harm than good to the sibling relationship. It’s not just about the cash but it’s the emotions within it. That mum loved her/him more because they got more. I expect nothing from my father (step) I do expect my mother to treat me and my siblings equally though because we are all hers.

LoisFarquar · 30/05/2024 10:29

EatTheGnome · 30/05/2024 10:22

“ He most definitely doesn’t see why they should see her as family. “

Well there you go. They take their lead from him basically. He treats her at home and in front of you the same as his children.

OP this is the crux. And sadly it means he likely doesn't love your daughter, certainly not the way you do. I'm so sorry to say that. You need to do some serious thinking about wills and what would happen if you died. Would she stay there? Inherit more because he won't split his death benefits between all 3? Where would she live? What would her life look like. Sorry to stay that youv unvcovered a significant problem.

Why would he love her like her mother, though? This little girl has two parents actively involved in her life. The most continuously good step-parenting relationships I know in my circle are the ones where the step parent is very much not a parent-figure, just a kind, interested, benign presence that’s not trying to pretend a parent role when the child already has parents.

She would presumably live with the other parent if one died, unless different arrangements had been made? She’s almost of of an age to be consulted about this, surely. I’ve certainly talked to my 12 year old about who he’d want to live with if Dah and I died.

EatTheGnome · 30/05/2024 10:28

OhmygodDont · 30/05/2024 10:24

Surely she would live with her dad? Her actual father who she sees and spends time with.

Inheritance ops stuff split three ways and honestly the dh’s two ways. She has three children. He has two that’s life.

Away from her siblings and family home? Is dad on the scene?

If I had 3 I'd want them all to have the same and would consider splitting my estate unevenly to make sure that happens e.g. approx 70k to eldest, 15k each to other 2. Dh can then split his 100k 50/50 so all siblings get around 65-70k.

My point is OP needs to consider this and make some serious decisions.

LoisFarquar · 30/05/2024 10:24

OhmygodDont · 30/05/2024 10:19

I can’t say id attend a communion. One I don’t really know what it is. Two since I don’t now what it is it would be rather hypocritical to attended such an event.

I mean I’m going to guess like a christening, but that’s normally done for babies not older children.

Google is your friend here.

But in fact you’re demonstrating my point. Some people don’t know what a first communion is, or wouldn’t attend one.

OhmygodDont · 30/05/2024 10:24

EatTheGnome · 30/05/2024 10:22

“ He most definitely doesn’t see why they should see her as family. “

Well there you go. They take their lead from him basically. He treats her at home and in front of you the same as his children.

OP this is the crux. And sadly it means he likely doesn't love your daughter, certainly not the way you do. I'm so sorry to say that. You need to do some serious thinking about wills and what would happen if you died. Would she stay there? Inherit more because he won't split his death benefits between all 3? Where would she live? What would her life look like. Sorry to stay that youv unvcovered a significant problem.

Surely she would live with her dad? Her actual father who she sees and spends time with.

Inheritance ops stuff split three ways and honestly the dh’s two ways. She has three children. He has two that’s life.

EatTheGnome · 30/05/2024 10:22

“ He most definitely doesn’t see why they should see her as family. “

Well there you go. They take their lead from him basically. He treats her at home and in front of you the same as his children.

OP this is the crux. And sadly it means he likely doesn't love your daughter, certainly not the way you do. I'm so sorry to say that. You need to do some serious thinking about wills and what would happen if you died. Would she stay there? Inherit more because he won't split his death benefits between all 3? Where would she live? What would her life look like. Sorry to stay that youv unvcovered a significant problem.

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