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AIBU to date a man that my close friend has dated?

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Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 01:30

My close friend and I (We’ll call her Amy) are both single. We have been for a couple years!
She is actively and regularly dating. Currently seeing someone now, but these things tend to be short lived.
She tends to take an approach of throwing herself into dating, to get to know people.
I on the other hand rarely date unless I see something special in a man.

The man in question (let’s call him Daniel) is on the periphery of our social circles.
My friend bonded with him at a party that I couldn’t attend at the beginning of the year.
Shortly after the party Daniel went away for a
month with work. The company he works for were setting up business abroad.
Amy and Daniel would text and call often. Making arrangements to meet when he got back.
There was nothing physical between them. But they shared a lot of personal stuff and bonded over similar experiences. As well as all the normal flirting.
Amy really liked him and wanted to see where things could go.
Daniel on the other hand felt he wasn’t in the right place to be dating and didn’t want to ruin the friendship.
I don’t think that they actually went on a date. Just a couple of months max of calls and texts.
They remained in contact as friends, albeit sporadic. She has seen him in person since but with another friend at a gig.
Amy was very upset at the time, having become really close, emotionally.

I have ran into Daniel a handful of times. Previously I would have just been polite, as an acquaintance, didn’t really know him to spend time chatting.

But since the situation with Amy I’ve been friendly with him, as we both have Amy in common.
We recently ended up on the same train together for an hour chatting about various topics.
I felt that I’d really warmed to him. We messaged a few times since (fb messenger, we haven’t swapped numbers), nothing major but I was feeling interested in him as a person.
He’s just asked me out on a date.
I feel like he could be a good match in terms of values and interests, I like his sense of humour and he’s easy to talk to.
I think he’s attractive.
He ticks a lot of boxes and seems like a good person.
I’ve met many of Amy’s dates in the past.
Friendly but platonic with most.
The occasional one has shown an interest
but it was one sided, I’ve never considered it.
This is different, I feel differently about this man.

a) My friend is kind and will tell me it’s fine. But I think she will still be hurt.
Therefore I’m stupid to even consider this.
And should reject him for “dating” my friend first.

b) I rarely feel like I want to date anyone.
I feel like Amy will have dated most single men our age in our local area, that I will struggle to find anyone to date who she hasn’t previously dated.
This scenario was inevitable at some point and I should just speak to my friend first before I accept a date.

I can’t sleep and need some perspective on this.
AIBU to consider this at all?
Would you be upset if you were in Amy’s position?

OP posts:
DoreenonTill8 · 29/05/2024 11:12

Exactly what @Chillilounger says, would Amy do the same for you @Bertiebellender ?
If you went top speed on online dating and 'liked' lots of people would Amy Steer clear?

Chillilounger · 29/05/2024 10:57

I think you need to have the conversation. Tell her you're worried in case it makes her feel weird, but that you would like to see where this goes and as you're both dating out the same 'pool' it would be good to establish some rules eg no surprises/ not if you've slept with them etc

Love51 · 29/05/2024 10:50

From just the title I thought '5 dates or less, fill your boots' because I don't think that going out to dinner with someone a few times should stop them dating the person's friends. These didn't even have one date!
However, I was thinking that their infatuation would have been in the past. April to May is still the same season. On those grounds I'd give her a heads up. I can't see why she'd care. You aren't 12.
I wouldn't date my friends' ex husbands, partly because they only divorce the scumbags! But someone they exchanged a few messages with? Yeah of course. There aren't hundreds of people who fit your criteria (location, age, lifestyle, personality etc) maybe there aren't even half a dozen. I wouldn't want a friend to miss out on happiness because I exchanged a few messages first!

Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 10:49

Loopytiles · 29/05/2024 07:23

What happened with Daniel and Amy, as you report it, reflects badly on Daniel. He didn’t treat her well IMO.

It was recent. Amy told you how she felt about what happened.

if you date him she is indeed likely to have feelings about it.

You make several comments about Amy and the number of men that she dates, or seeks to date, also that you like to ‘see something special in a man’ (which presumably just means you want to date him). Unnecessary!

Daniel seems like a genuine person.
But you’re right without knowing him this may come across like he led her on.

My comments about the number of men Amy dates are to set the context.
We are dating in the same pool.
Due to our different approaches to dating though she is meeting many men who I may have considered an option.
It not her dating lots of men that is an issue.
It’s that it makes a small dating pool much smaller for me, as they are now off limits.

I do like to see something special in a man before I date him.
I’m cautious about getting attached and hurt.
I dont think my approach is better than Amy’s.
Im providing context to our approach and this situation.
I think Amy’s approach to dating is brave and probably better than mine as she is able to quickly move on to finding the right person.

I think you’ve misread my intent in sharing this information.

OP posts:
Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 10:40

LoisFarquar · 29/05/2024 07:07

So they didn’t in fact ever date? They didn’t even go on a date?

No. But they have met in person before and since, due to all of our social circles overlapping.

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Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 10:36

renomeno · 29/05/2024 06:50

From your description it sounds to me like Daniel wasn't ever interested in Amy on that level, who was initiating all the calls and texts between them? Maybe it was all Amy and Daniel was being polite in replying etc... Have you heard his description of their relationship/friendship? If he'd wanted a date with her I'm pretty sure he would have asked her. He didn't. But he did ask you!

How long have you known Amy?

I’ve known Amy for too many years to count now.

We always discuss the progression of her dates.
Amy is one of those people that everyone finds really easy to talk to.
She makes people feel comfortable.
Having many similar family issues they had been sharing lots of personal stuff.
it sound very mutual, Daniel initiated as much as she did.
And seemed engaged with the communication.
There was flirting/sexting as well though. So I do believe he was interested in her.
She tried, it didn’t work out.
It did seem a bit off that they had spoken so much, so deeply and then he decided he wasn’t ready.

Maybe that’s a sign that he’s the wrong person for either of us anyway!

OP posts:
Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 10:22

MsCharlene · 29/05/2024 06:13

I wouldn't.

I'm curious though, about any underlying feelings you have about your friend. You've made several comments about the number of men she has dated,

"I feel like Amy will have dated most single men our age in our local area, that I will struggle to find anyone to date who she hasn’t previously dated. "

Is there some resentment here?

Good question.

My friend and I are looking for men in the same dating pool.
e.g. Age, (we’re both late 30’s), location. Also lifestyle, my friend and I have similar lifestyles to each other, inevitably we’re both looking to men who would fit in or complement our similar lives.

In the last 2 years I’ve been getting to know a handful of men, which only led to me wanting to date 2 of them.
My friend has dated around 20 men since just the start of this year.
4 of were ones she got close to and was upset when things didn’t progress.
And previous years, she’s dated at a similar rate.

Statistically it’s becoming harder for me to meet single, suitable, attractive men that Amy hasn’t already dated. Which means my pool of options are shrinking.

It is so rare for me to feel a connection that I want to pursue.
I ignore ‘likes’ in online dating if Amy has already dated them.
In real life if I meet her dates I don’t consider them as options so interactions are always platonic.
This situation grew on me and surprised me that I felt something beyond the platonic.

This rare connection is a missed opportunity when my friend hadn’t actually been on a physical date with him.
Maybe there’s something there that I feel a little resentful for.
That within another 6 months she’ll have made other emotional connections and moved on.
Whereas I probably won’t have found any/many that I even want to date.

I haven’t worked out the odds mathematically but my friend dates with purpose from the same dating pool.
Im assuming there’s a good probability this could happen again at some point.
I know this is a selfish worry.

Amy had an emotional connection with him.
I know I should forget him as an option.
Im only human, and we all want to find our partner in life.
Maybe I’m scared that its taken so long for me to feel that connection and attraction, the scarcity makes me worry that I’ll never find someone that I like.

I sound like a terrible person now.
Our friendship is important to me. I won’t pursue this.
But I do feel like talking to Amy, generally about my worries.
We talk about everything else.
At least it might open up her thoughts on a hypothetical situation so that the boundaries are clear going forward.

OP posts:
Didimum · 29/05/2024 10:20

Don't ask her permission, but tell her he's asked and you'd really like to go, but want to respect your friendship by telling her upfront. See how she reacts. Honestly she's not a good friend if she reacts badly.

SoupDragon · 29/05/2024 10:19

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 29/05/2024 10:06

This^

The OP says in her first post that My friend is kind and will tell me it’s fine. But I think she will still be hurt.

Ciderlout · 29/05/2024 10:14

Hard one OP. Ultimately it’s up to you but I think it will cause a bit of friction. It would be different if she’d sacked him off and had no interest in him, that would be fine. The fact she liked him but it wasn’t reciprocated is harder as she’s likey to feel a bit resentful, whether she tells you or not.

If nothing comes of it between you then your friendship will be a bit tarnished probably.

Fizzib · 29/05/2024 10:13

The reason why asking may not be helpful, is the friend may be upset in the first place that OP is even considering it. And worse still she may not be open about how she feels for fear of looking silly or selfish. So depending on her personality she may wear a smile and insist she doesn’t mind when she does, and all the while their friendships is being harmed . Or she may even genuinely think she won’t mind.

when I was younger I gave my best friend at the time, the go ahead to pursue things with this guy I had a crush on, it was very rare for me to have a crush on anyone btw. She had - against my will and express wishes - pitched the idea of “us” to him and he said he saw me as a sister. So I was already a bit embarrassed! Then super quick she announced she liked him and I felt I just had to say yes that’s fine since it was clear he didn’t like me in that way .

In the end nothing came of it, he didn’t even kiss her despite spending a few nights at hers and her trying to flirt. So I’m not sure what it was all about from his POV, but I have to say I did feel quietly relieved when it was over! Had things developed romantically it would most likely have damaged our friendship despite me telling her (and myself) that I didn’t mind. I think even though things didn’t work out - because it down to him and not her, the whole thing never sat well with me.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 29/05/2024 10:06

GetyourheadoutoftheovenIris · 29/05/2024 06:04

Why don’t you just say, ‘hey Amy, I saw Daniel on the train and we had a great chat. He’s asked me on a date. What do you think?’

This^

dottiedodah · 29/05/2024 10:05

Why not just say Hi Amy, you know that guy Daniel you knew a few months back? I ran into him ,and we got talking.He wants to meet up ,just thought I would run it past you first and see what you think? That way she could say either way how she feels .

Fizzib · 29/05/2024 10:05

Iaminthefly · 29/05/2024 07:13

Why was he messaging her for months without asking her out?

He'll have known she was interested? Why lead her on?

I bloody hate it when guys pointlessly message you for months for an ego boost.

This exactly. He sounds like a time waster OP. As pp said it likely won’t be worth straining your friendship over

Rowen32 · 29/05/2024 10:02

Loubelle70 · 29/05/2024 09:39

I think hes just a player tbh. Playing women in the same group because its easier, thats lazy dating.

Unless they live in a small town.. there's a lot we don't know. Dating can be difficult in small social circles

Frogandfish · 29/05/2024 10:02

Bear in mind sometimes real hurt or impact can be completely disproportionate to relationship length. That's not to say I think a good match should necessarily be off bounds forever because they texted for a bit but he may have promised her the world and it was quite recent. It may be a matter of poor timing. I have two men in mind. One I dated 2 months, one 2 dates but promised me all sorts and I felt really connected with. Both were years ago and I am firmly over them but I can't say I'd feel happy my friends dating them.

mondaytosunday · 29/05/2024 09:57

I don't know. My friend had a one night stand with a guy who I started dating a couple months later and she resented it (even though she had a lot of one night stands - it wasn't as if she thought this might turn in to something). It didn't last more than a few weeks with me partially due to the effect on our friendship.

Frogandfish · 29/05/2024 09:57

I mean when he was away, not away WiTH Amy together. Badly worded.

Frogandfish · 29/05/2024 09:55

If I understand correctly he spent a lot of time messaging and on the phone whilst he was away with Amy discussing personal stuff? So while he was bored and lonely and she thought they were building intimacy? He then dropped her when he was back. Doesn't sound great.

I would ignore PP who suggested going on a date and then speaking to Amy. Do it the right way round if you want to date him.

It sounds like there's a good chance of crossover if you don't live in a massive city and she's dated a lot so I agree it's ok in principle but you need to establish whether this one is genuinely off bounds as in she was really hurt or not. Probably not if they only texted but speak to her and see what she says. If she says it's fine take her at her word. Maybe assure her you won't discuss any of her personal business if she brings up the discussions they had and stick to that. Even if he starts to bring it up, close the conversation down

determinedtomakethiswork · 29/05/2024 09:41

The thing is that she can't bagsy every guy in the area that she has dated or spoken to! It's inevitable that you would meet somebody that she has also been interested in at some point.

Loubelle70 · 29/05/2024 09:39

Rowen32 · 29/05/2024 09:30

Honestly, why does OP have to potentially lose out on being with someone special because her friend talked to him for a few months, I don't get that kind of thinking at all. It sounds like he didn't want to date Amy and that's the excuse he gave her rather than telling her outright. Just go on the date OP and see how it goes.. she can't have dibs on every man she's dated

I think hes just a player tbh. Playing women in the same group because its easier, thats lazy dating.

Rowen32 · 29/05/2024 09:30

Honestly, why does OP have to potentially lose out on being with someone special because her friend talked to him for a few months, I don't get that kind of thinking at all. It sounds like he didn't want to date Amy and that's the excuse he gave her rather than telling her outright. Just go on the date OP and see how it goes.. she can't have dibs on every man she's dated

Hugosmaid · 29/05/2024 09:26

Don’t make the mistake of thinking you and Daniel are different to Amy and Daniel.

He had an emotional connection to her with you it’s likely physical.

He is managing to hook up with two good friends.

I bet his mates are clapping him on the back.

What you should do is have a look on ‘are we dating the same guy’ on Facebook - Daniel might already be on there!

Cbljgdpk · 29/05/2024 09:19

She’ll be upset so you’ll be doing something that you know will upset her and most likely it will change the friendship so you can try to justify it as much as you want but you will be effecting the friendship. It was very recent.
Your B is a bit mean to be honest

IamaRevenant · 29/05/2024 09:12

I think in 'ordinary' circumstances you should feel free to date Daniel - as you say, Amy dates a lot, this never progressed beyond texting etc and she's now seeing someone new. I certainly wouldn't say that ALL men Amy has had any level of involvement with should be off limits!

However, in this specific case Amy clearly really liked him and shared a lot with him emotionally, it ended because he 'wasn't ready' (rather than them being incompatible/it fizzling out or her ending things) and she was upset. In her position I would wonder what had changed in the last few weeks that he's now ready, and why, now that he apparently is ready, his first thought was not to reconnect with Amy but instead to ask you out. That would hurt.

The only way I think this could be OK is if Amy is now exclusive with the new man, and this is widely known (ie would Daniel think she's now 'off the market'?). If that was the case then I'd say go ahead. Otherwise it comes across as him clearly picking you over her and I think in Amy's place I'd be very hurt by that.