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To think if one parent can't look after the DC, it's the other parents responsibility to do so?

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looop114 · 28/05/2024 21:41

And not their partners?

If two parents are separated and one of them becomes unwell (not just a cold but actually very poorly and unable to look after the DC kind of unwell), it should be automatically the other parents responsibility to look after the children and not the unwell parents partner or spouse?

They can if they want to obviously but the initial assumption should be that the other parent will parent their children even though its not "their time" when the other is not able to? Providing both are involved parents.

Aibu to think this is the case and that it's quite entitled to make assumptions that your co parents partner/spouse will look after your DC when the other parent is unwell intstead of you?

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Bellsandthistle · 29/05/2024 11:06

Any man worth his salt would divorce a woman who said “your children are no more to do with me than next door’s kids”.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/05/2024 11:03

SleepingStandingUp · 29/05/2024 10:42

He's ill in hospital, you honestly think he should be trying to phone around random family and friends / organise paid childcare when he's seriously ill rather than their mother have them? What if he were unconscious? Should they have to stay at the hospital with him?

These are extraordinary circs and the kids welfare is paramount. Dad being poorly in hospital is scary enough without being passed around from pillar to post

The OP isn't "random family and friends", she's his wife.

InterIgnis · 29/05/2024 11:02

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The irony.

It doesn’t sound like someone with healthy boundaries that wouldn’t tolerate anyone trying to take advantage of her or place expectations upon her when they have no right to. So yes, I imagine her relationships are indeed healthy.

Bellsandthistle · 29/05/2024 10:59

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Ohlookwhoitis · 29/05/2024 10:54

if it was possible I would try to have my children, because OP clearly has enough going on. It might not be possible and then I would expect my ex to sort it out somehow. It's about meeting everyone's needs as far as possible

Everyone's needs? Except the children and the step-mothers.

CoffeeCup14 · 29/05/2024 10:52

Ereyraa · 29/05/2024 09:51

Step-parents are not your respite.

No parents get to do what’s in the parents best interest much. Probably wouldn’t have any DC at all if that were the case.

Edited

My comment was in response to pps saying they don't understand why some single parents guard their child-free time, not to the OP. I"ve seen it on here frequently, posters who have a spouse and are not in a separated parenting situation, implying that enjoying or wanting to protect your child-free time is incomprehensible.

This situation is exceptional and there are so many factors that it's not possible to have a definitive opinion on what should happen. We only ever hear one side of a story on here. Blended families are all different and people have different expectations of how they work.

If I was the ex in this situation, if it was possible I would try to have my children, because OP clearly has enough going on. It might not be possible and then I would expect my ex to sort it out somehow. It's about meeting everyone's needs as far as possible.

In general I think the parent whose contact time it is should be making arrangements for their children. If he wants to go out, I'd expect him to find someone to care for them, his wife or someone else. I wouldn't want to do it, and it wouldn't be good for my children to come back to me and then go back to his - it would unsettle them. If he was away for a weekend I would expect them to be with me but would expect him to ask.

Ohlookwhoitis · 29/05/2024 10:51

ILoveYouItsRuiningMyLife · 29/05/2024 10:38

“They are no more my kids than the neighbours kids”

This is why your attitude stinks. And if you can’t see that then I can’t help you.

Edited

Also, why are you blatantly ignoring that I provided emergency child-care, was on board for full-time living with us (it didn't happen in the end) and my healthy relationship with them now? Instead of interrogating me, tell us your situation and what demands you expect to be met by your DC step-mother.

Thursdaygirl · 29/05/2024 10:49

He's ill in hospital, you honestly think he should be trying to phone around random family and friends / organise paid childcare when he's seriously ill rather than their mother have them? What if he were unconscious? Should they have to stay at the hospital with him?
These are extraordinary circs and the kids welfare is paramount. Dad being poorly in hospital is scary enough without being passed around from pillar to post

This. What on earth happens to a separated Dad who arrives in A&E via ambulance? Can you imagine - “ don’t send me to surgery just yet doctor, my kids mum may refuse to have them” ?!

ILoveYouItsRuiningMyLife · 29/05/2024 10:49

🤦🏻‍♀️

InterIgnis · 29/05/2024 10:47

ILoveYouItsRuiningMyLife · 29/05/2024 10:38

“They are no more my kids than the neighbours kids”

This is why your attitude stinks. And if you can’t see that then I can’t help you.

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Shes absolutely correct. They are no more her kids than those of her neighbors are - she didn’t gain responsibility for them by virtue of getting married to their father.

Whilst you may want stepparents to step into a parental role and treat their stepchildren as if they were biological, the fact remains that they don’t have to.

No, OP, YANBU.

Ohlookwhoitis · 29/05/2024 10:47

ILoveYouItsRuiningMyLife · 29/05/2024 10:38

“They are no more my kids than the neighbours kids”

This is why your attitude stinks. And if you can’t see that then I can’t help you.

Edited

But that is biologically and factually true. If I split with DH, I have absolutely no say in seeing them again or having any kind of relationship if THEIR PARENTS don't agree to it. (Didn't agree to it, they're older now)

Winglessvulture · 29/05/2024 10:42

I think this depends on a number of things and isn't a straightforward yes or no for all situations.

I personally feel that when people marry/live with someone who already has children that they are becoming part of the family, and that entails an element of care and responsibility for the wellbeing of those children. However, I also think that the primary responsibility lies with the parents, and would expect the other parent to step up in this situation. I guess I feel a middle ground is probably appropriate. The step parent shouldn't be expected to provide all the childcare, but equally should be prepared to work with the other parent in instances where they can, e.g. having the children for a period of time so the other parent can attend work, helping with pick up and drop offs to childcare/grandparents etc. But I imagine this is totally dependent on the relationship that exists between the parents and their new partners.

I am sorry to hear your DH is so unwell OP and hope he feels much better soon. This sounds tough.

SleepingStandingUp · 29/05/2024 10:42

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/05/2024 21:47

I'm not sure I agree.

Just trying to put myself in the shoes of a separated parent here. I would say that his contact time was his responsibility and if he couldn't care for our children on those days it shouldn't be up to me to find a solution.

He's ill in hospital, you honestly think he should be trying to phone around random family and friends / organise paid childcare when he's seriously ill rather than their mother have them? What if he were unconscious? Should they have to stay at the hospital with him?

These are extraordinary circs and the kids welfare is paramount. Dad being poorly in hospital is scary enough without being passed around from pillar to post

ILoveYouItsRuiningMyLife · 29/05/2024 10:38

Ohlookwhoitis · 29/05/2024 10:36

Once again, you're talking as if I have no relationship with my DSC. You're making things up. My attitude stinks? Why does it? I was out for a meal at the weekend with my (now teenage) DSC. One of them decided to stay over afterwards. So just because I made it clear in the early days that I wasn't free childcare...my attitude stinks? Wow.

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“They are no more my kids than the neighbours kids”

This is why your attitude stinks. And if you can’t see that then I can’t help you.

Josette77 · 29/05/2024 10:38

I don't think anyone is right or wrong.

I would take take my son but neither ex or I are remarried. I have a partner who would step up if needed. We don't live together though.

I think marrying someone and having more kids with them though makes you a family unit. You are the mother of their siblings.

How old are all the kids? Are they young?

CurlewKate · 29/05/2024 10:36

Surely it should be discussed on a case by case basis? Arranging childcare, particularly on short notice is difficult enough without imposing additional arbitrary "rules".

Ohlookwhoitis · 29/05/2024 10:36

ILoveYouItsRuiningMyLife · 29/05/2024 10:26

Yes I agree with you in this case. The mum should take them and should want to do so. I absolutely understand that step parents do not have legal responsibility for their step children and applaud the boundary setting. No step parent should be used and abused as free childcare by either parent.

At the same time however, your attitude as a step parent still stinks. You are still in the lives of these children and you are relevant to them. You chose by marrying their dad (or whatever) to become a fixture in their lives and they deserve for you to be a positive fixture. They are your husbands family.

All of these things can be true.

Edited

Once again, you're talking as if I have no relationship with my DSC. You're making things up. My attitude stinks? Why does it? I was out for a meal at the weekend with my (now teenage) DSC. One of them decided to stay over afterwards. So just because I made it clear in the early days that I wasn't free childcare...my attitude stinks? Wow.

BibbleandSqwauk · 29/05/2024 10:32

I think a lot of people on here are pulling a lot of hyperbole about "thinking of the children". I think of my teenagers 57 days out of 60 and put their needs (though not necessarily always wants) before my own. Their dad and SM get 57/60 days to do their own thing and have full autonomy to work or go out or whatever they like. I would be mightily pissed off if my short "time off" was impacted by anything other than real emergency and in lesser circumstances I would expect my ex to make arrangements with HIS parents and not expect me or my parents to be the default. As I said, he'll would freeze over before he took them if I was ill or incapicatated. It's not tit for tat, I'm trying to explain how these set-ups are often very one sided. And it's not about "not wanting" any poor little children. It's about acknowledging that there is a massive imbalance in the shared care and when that tips even further, it is unfair.

Ohlookwhoitis · 29/05/2024 10:31

Bellsandthistle · 29/05/2024 10:14

Would you feel the same if he was the resident parent? Or did you only marry him under the proviso you would only have to deal with his children on the odd occasion?

There was a time that we thought his DC would come to us full-time. I was fully on board. It didn't happen.

That doesn't change the fact that I felt needed to be available to 'step up' any time the ex decides she couldn't be arsed parenting. I think not. I pity any step-mother who is in that situation. My DSC has 2 parents, 4 grandparents.

I provided emergency childcare a handful of times over the years when no-one was available. It was much appreciated. Otherwise childcare was arranged and paid for by the 2 parents.

ILoveYouItsRuiningMyLife · 29/05/2024 10:26

Ohlookwhoitis · 29/05/2024 10:22

in this case their mum needs to take them. I agree

Ok so you actually agree with me but yet want to rip me apart for stating facts. Got it. People sure don't like a step-mother having boundaries and stating facts.

What is it you don't understand about step-parents having no legal responsibility for DSC or having no biological links than any other children ie neighbours children?

Yes I agree with you in this case. The mum should take them and should want to do so. I absolutely understand that step parents do not have legal responsibility for their step children and applaud the boundary setting. No step parent should be used and abused as free childcare by either parent.

At the same time however, your attitude as a step parent still stinks. You are still in the lives of these children and you are relevant to them. You chose by marrying their dad (or whatever) to become a fixture in their lives and they deserve for you to be a positive fixture. They are your husbands family.

All of these things can be true.

Nouvellenovel · 29/05/2024 10:26

Well if the dp was still single the ex would have to care for her own dc.

Step mothers always ‘good enough’ to bear responsibilities but denied access to traditions valued by the biological mum.

Ohlookwhoitis · 29/05/2024 10:22

ILoveYouItsRuiningMyLife · 29/05/2024 10:13

in this case their mum needs to take them. I agree. And she should want to, to be honest.

But at the same time, you can’t marry a person with children and view yourself as much of an irrelevance to those children as some random neighbour. That’s disgraceful.

in this case their mum needs to take them. I agree

Ok so you actually agree with me but yet want to rip me apart for stating facts. Got it. People sure don't like a step-mother having boundaries and stating facts.

What is it you don't understand about step-parents having no legal responsibility for DSC or having no biological links than any other children ie neighbours children?

Thursdaygirl · 29/05/2024 10:20

Clearly some people here don't care about what's best for the DC, just that they get their 'time'.

How very true

SemperIdem · 29/05/2024 10:17

Bellsandthistle · 29/05/2024 10:08

So you would take them and drop them off at their mother’s?
The takeaway message here is don’t marry a man with children if you believe they’re nothing to do with you and you only care about the children you have with him.

Yes, I would. So I could focus on my hospitalised husband and they could be with their mother.

I would expect my child’s step mother to do the same if my ex was hospitalised.

You can take away any message you wish, but I’m really not interested in your thoughts on the matter. Particularly given you’re likely coming from a point of theory not reality.

BobShark · 29/05/2024 10:14

I don't think it's a black and white situation, I'm very flexible with my sons dad, and if he were in hospital I would absolutely take him. However, his step mum also recognises that I'm a single person with a full time job and no family support in this country. We would likely pull together and juggle between us in this circumstance.

Wishing your DH all the best, perhaps you and mum can work something out between you to take some of the pressure off of her.