Page 14 | To think that improving state schools needs people to pay an e.g. a state school tax?

Theyhadsomehoneyandplentyofmoney · 2024-05-28T12:36:59+00:00

What with the current hoo ha about VAT on private school and commentary about equality and privilege.. wouldn’t it make sense to vastly improve state schools? And in order to do so obviously the government needs more cash. Isn’t it reasonable therefore to ask anyone using state schools, to pay a bit of tax for that, in order to improve all said schools from their (often) current dire state?

GasPanic · 28/05/2024 13:59

Theyhadsomehoneyandplentyofmoney · 28/05/2024 13:52

Well that I agree on. The billionaires probably pay the least tax. Apart from ones we know pay fairly - JKR, Paul Mc, Ed Sheeran etc.

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Do you have any evidence of how much tax billionaires actually pay ?

Did you know that the top 10% of earners pay 60% of the income tax take in the UK ?

Or that the top 1% pay 30% of it ?

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not going to be crying a river over whether or not UK billionaires are rushing to the food banks. But they do pay an awful lot of tax.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8513/

StormingNorman · 28/05/2024 13:59

Maybe child benefit could be diverted to schools to reallocate funding for children rather than impose an additional tax?

Meadowfinch · 28/05/2024 13:58

I think it will take more than that. I think state schools need....

More cash to pay teachers & other staff properly
More SEN provision
More PRUs so that disruptive pupils can be separated out and taught separately as their needs dictate
A period of consistency, with no changes to curricula
To remove the straight-jacket of control over every tiny aspect of teaching, that makes it a joyless misery.
Repairs to school facilities.

Then we might get somewhere.

Onemoreterm · 28/05/2024 13:58

Not just schools but NHS, defence and general infrastructure all need improvements.

the problem is that we get a poor level of service for the amount of tax we pay. Too many levels of management and jobs that are not focused directly on service provision.

lemonmeringueno3 · 28/05/2024 13:57

Three of my four were educated privately so I am not unsympathetic but this has been debated so many times in the past that I am surprised so many parents seem to be blindsided by it. Surely you budget for increases when you make the decision to pay for a private education.

K0OLA1D · 28/05/2024 13:56

I've always said I'd pay more tax if it was guaranteed to go to education and the NHS

Chocochoo · 28/05/2024 13:56

I think this might be one of the stupidest ideas I’ve ever read on here.

Itloggedmeoutagain · 28/05/2024 13:55

Theyhadsomehoneyandplentyofmoney · 28/05/2024 13:50

The NHS could always use more cash.

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So shall we pay when we go to A and E ?
Wouldn't this be the same as the parents of the children using the school paying more?
Or am i misunderstanding you?

ExasperatedManager · 28/05/2024 13:55

Stupid suggestion. What you are proposing is not a tax but the introduction of fees for state education. That would be an incredibly backward step and the whole of society would suffer.

The sensible solution would be to provide better funding for state schools through general progressive taxation.

My dd has left school now but I would gladly pay a higher rate of tax to help educate the next generation.

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Theyhadsomehoneyandplentyofmoney · 28/05/2024 13:52

Maddy70 · 28/05/2024 13:51

There is money already they just need to redistribute it. If they tax the billionaire properly its affordable

Well that I agree on. The billionaires probably pay the least tax. Apart from ones we know pay fairly - JKR, Paul Mc, Ed Sheeran etc.

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lemonmeringueno3 · 28/05/2024 13:52

edwinbear · 28/05/2024 13:42

Completely agree OP. Be interesting to see how state school parents would react if they had 6 weeks notice to cough up 20% VAT on the £7k the state pays for their DC's education. Multiplied by however many DC they have. Don't expect they'd be quite so enthusiastic on taxing children's education then.

Most schools in England receive about £4k per pupil.

Helloworld56 · 28/05/2024 13:51

ComtesseDeSpair · 28/05/2024 13:46

I would deeply mind paying more taxation for state schools when a huge aspect of the problem isn’t simply lack of money but poor parental attitudes to education, atrocious pupil behaviour (which too many parents condone or refuse to address) and teaching staff struggling to cope with a range of other issues which aren’t simply going to be plugged with dosh.

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Maddy70 · 28/05/2024 13:51

There is money already they just need to redistribute it. If they tax the billionaire properly its affordable

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Theyhadsomehoneyandplentyofmoney · 28/05/2024 13:50

Itloggedmeoutagain · 28/05/2024 13:50

So where does this end? Shall we do it with hospitals as well?

The NHS could always use more cash.

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Itloggedmeoutagain · 28/05/2024 13:50

So where does this end? Shall we do it with hospitals as well?

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Theyhadsomehoneyandplentyofmoney · 28/05/2024 13:49

ComtesseDeSpair · 28/05/2024 13:46

I would deeply mind paying more taxation for state schools when a huge aspect of the problem isn’t simply lack of money but poor parental attitudes to education, atrocious pupil behaviour (which too many parents condone or refuse to address) and teaching staff struggling to cope with a range of other issues which aren’t simply going to be plugged with dosh.

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GasPanic · 28/05/2024 13:49

pizzaHeart · 28/05/2024 13:44

My child is out of school already (it’s a state school) but in general our family wouldn’t mind paying more in taxes to get not only schools but also NHS better and more functional. The main caveat is that the taxing should be fair so it should affect those who really rich, not a single mum who worked her arse off and got to the 57k salary or someone getting 65k with the other parent at home struggling to home school 2 out of 3 children with additional needs who didn’t get school places (it’s not me, it’s an example from friends situations)
Just a thought.

I know plenty of people who "worked their arse off" to get to high salaries.

In fact I suspect a good proportion of people on high salaries do.

Not sure that a taxation system based on how hard you actually work is possible to implement. Possibly through some sort of extra box on the assessment form that you tick "I worked my arse off this year" and they give you a deduction.

FTPM1980 · 28/05/2024 13:49

Theyhadsomehoneyandplentyofmoney · 28/05/2024 13:43

Well we all pay tax. Clearly, it’s not working for many state schools. Lack of resources , teachers, facilities, sport, music, art.

Surely more cash will help them - other countries pay more tax, and have less reliance on state benefits, possibly why they have better offerings. Their governments have more cash to spend. We don’t, so why not change that? It wouldn’t be a lot pp.

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Did you read what you quoted?
I agree with higher taxes....for those that can afford them. You are clearly angling for just those that use schools to pay.
And obviously more cash would help state schools
School budgets aren't decimated just because of low taxes (directly) but because of budget allocation.
How does reliance on state benefits have anything to do with your proposal?

PerfectForEloping · 28/05/2024 13:49

I think the government needs to stop mismanaging the money they do have got a start and then see where we are. You can’t keep taxing people more and then wasting it.

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Theyhadsomehoneyandplentyofmoney · 28/05/2024 13:49

Needmorelego · 28/05/2024 13:46

I'd rather parents didn't have to pay £100s on an ugly, uncomfortable and not actually suitable for the average school day uniform and then maybe they could use that money towards actually helping their child's education and the school in general.

That could be a good option. Remove uniform costs but give the cash to the gvt to improve state schools offerings instead. That would raise a lot, each year.

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Dweetfidilove · 28/05/2024 13:48

ComtesseDeSpair · 28/05/2024 13:46

I would deeply mind paying more taxation for state schools when a huge aspect of the problem isn’t simply lack of money but poor parental attitudes to education, atrocious pupil behaviour (which too many parents condone or refuse to address) and teaching staff struggling to cope with a range of other issues which aren’t simply going to be plugged with dosh.

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S0livagant · 28/05/2024 13:47

edwinbear · 28/05/2024 13:42

Completely agree OP. Be interesting to see how state school parents would react if they had 6 weeks notice to cough up 20% VAT on the £7k the state pays for their DC's education. Multiplied by however many DC they have. Don't expect they'd be quite so enthusiastic on taxing children's education then.

Many parents would pull their children out and home educate. Some of these children would not be educated as a result. State education benefits society as a whole.

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Theyhadsomehoneyandplentyofmoney · 28/05/2024 13:47

ChillysWaterBottle · 28/05/2024 13:46

Oh god the private school parents are really embarrassing themselves on here.

I'm borderline ready to believe some of them are actually anti-private schools and doing this to make private school parents look bad.

I'm very pro this policy but would have empathy for some families affected on a human level, but the posts on MN have completely drained all that.

What on earth are you talking about?

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ComtesseDeSpair · 28/05/2024 13:46

I would deeply mind paying more taxation for state schools when a huge aspect of the problem isn’t simply lack of money but poor parental attitudes to education, atrocious pupil behaviour (which too many parents condone or refuse to address) and teaching staff struggling to cope with a range of other issues which aren’t simply going to be plugged with dosh.

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Theyhadsomehoneyandplentyofmoney · 28/05/2024 13:46

MagnetCarHair · 28/05/2024 13:44

That sounds like a really good idea, I had no idea that we had a state school system built on fresh air.

And you’re adding to this debate how?

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