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To think that improving state schools needs people to pay an e.g. a state school tax?

361 replies

Theyhadsomehoneyandplentyofmoney · 28/05/2024 13:36

What with the current hoo ha about VAT on private school and commentary about equality and privilege.. wouldn’t it make sense to vastly improve state schools? And in order to do so obviously the government needs more cash.

Isn’t it reasonable therefore to ask anyone using state schools, to pay a bit of tax for that, in order to improve all said schools from their (often) current dire state?

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Bushmillsbabe · 28/05/2024 14:11

OpusGiemuJavlo · 28/05/2024 14:03

I think there should be a premium land value tax on homes within the catchment areas of naice schools.

We live in a small ex-council semi in a grotty area of town where the catchment school and all other potentially accessible schools are crap, with low aspirations and very poor records on pupil safety with virtually no one getting into good universities. A house of the same size in the naice area of town with an outstanding comp that regularly gets top results and high levels of acceptance at top universities would be about £250,000 more expensive so obviously only the wealthy can access that privilege. I would like to see that £250,000 of bonus property value taxed to help pay to bring the struggling schools up to scratch.

It is taxed! Via stamp duty and council tax, both of which are based on property value

JassyRadlett · 28/05/2024 14:10

StormingNorman · 28/05/2024 14:05

Roads are covered by road tax which you pay for every vehicle so there is already an additional charge to users.

There 👏 is 👏no👏 such 👏thing👏as👏road👏tax👏.

VED is essentially a polluter pays, not user pays model.

WaitingfortheTardis · 28/05/2024 14:10

I think they need to spend the taxes they already raise far more wisely. There need to be far more stringent checks to ensure money doesn't end up filtered off as easily as it seems to be currently.

Einwegflasche · 28/05/2024 14:10

Theyhadsomehoneyandplentyofmoney · 28/05/2024 13:47

What on earth are you talking about?

People clearly embarrassing themselves - she isn't wrong.

S0livagant · 28/05/2024 14:10

StormingNorman · 28/05/2024 14:05

Roads are covered by road tax which you pay for every vehicle so there is already an additional charge to users.

Do you mean vehicle tax? Many cars are zero rate, mine is £20 a year.

Einwegflasche · 28/05/2024 14:08

edwinbear · 28/05/2024 13:42

Completely agree OP. Be interesting to see how state school parents would react if they had 6 weeks notice to cough up 20% VAT on the £7k the state pays for their DC's education. Multiplied by however many DC they have. Don't expect they'd be quite so enthusiastic on taxing children's education then.

....and the entitled and privileged bubble comments continue on this thread.

HeraSyndulla · 28/05/2024 14:08

Maddy70 · 28/05/2024 13:51

There is money already they just need to redistribute it. If they tax the billionaire properly its affordable

How many billionaires do you think there are in this country ?. And if you were that wealthy , then you'd just leave, wouldn't you !!!!!. Besides most of their wealth is held off shore, spread though numerous shell companies and private investments. Their not stupid.

MagnetCarHair · 28/05/2024 14:08

iamtheblcksheep · 28/05/2024 14:06

I don’t want to pay for your kids! I’m a higher rate tax payer, don’t use the nhs or state schools. How much of money do you actually want?

And before you start calling me every name under the sun. Not too many years ago I was homeless. Call me privelaged. I dare you.

Privileged wasn't the adjective that immediately sprung to mind.

beergiggles · 28/05/2024 14:07

iamtheblcksheep · 28/05/2024 14:06

I don’t want to pay for your kids! I’m a higher rate tax payer, don’t use the nhs or state schools. How much of money do you actually want?

And before you start calling me every name under the sun. Not too many years ago I was homeless. Call me privelaged. I dare you.

You still benefit enormously from the fact that there is a free education system and that there is health care for people who can't afford private health care.

SpinyNorma · 28/05/2024 14:07

Wouldn't be against a council tax surcharge on properties above a certain value in catchment areas of outstanding schools that is used to fund other schools in the area.

itsgettingweird · 28/05/2024 14:07

We pay taxes. They go towards education.

Not enough. But they manage to find the money for their mates.

Proper accountability would be a better thing.

And why should state school,users pay 20% VAT. They've not chosen to buy an alternative education.

Perhaps when those who can afford to pay for independent education are forced to use the state system there will be improvements because the 'right people' suddenly care?

Meadowfinch · 28/05/2024 14:07

Maddy70 · 28/05/2024 13:51

There is money already they just need to redistribute it. If they tax the billionaire properly its affordable

There are 171 billionaires in the UK. All of whom have the easy ability to leave if you over-tax them.

Expecting them to contribute more to the education of ten million children is unrealistic. Even if we taxed them £1.2m more each, per year, and persuaded them to stay in the UK, that would provide £20 per pupil. That won't go far, will it.

We need to think of something a little more sensible.

traytablestowed · 28/05/2024 14:07

iamtheblcksheep · 28/05/2024 14:06

I don’t want to pay for your kids! I’m a higher rate tax payer, don’t use the nhs or state schools. How much of money do you actually want?

And before you start calling me every name under the sun. Not too many years ago I was homeless. Call me privelaged. I dare you.

Did you go to state school yourself?

Floatingvoternolandinsight · 28/05/2024 14:06

OpusGiemuJavlo · 28/05/2024 14:03

I think there should be a premium land value tax on homes within the catchment areas of naice schools.

We live in a small ex-council semi in a grotty area of town where the catchment school and all other potentially accessible schools are crap, with low aspirations and very poor records on pupil safety with virtually no one getting into good universities. A house of the same size in the naice area of town with an outstanding comp that regularly gets top results and high levels of acceptance at top universities would be about £250,000 more expensive so obviously only the wealthy can access that privilege. I would like to see that £250,000 of bonus property value taxed to help pay to bring the struggling schools up to scratch.

Ex council home. Do you own it?

iamtheblcksheep · 28/05/2024 14:06

I don’t want to pay for your kids! I’m a higher rate tax payer, don’t use the nhs or state schools. How much of money do you actually want?

And before you start calling me every name under the sun. Not too many years ago I was homeless. Call me privelaged. I dare you.

WestEndWindy · 28/05/2024 14:05

edwinbear · 28/05/2024 13:42

Completely agree OP. Be interesting to see how state school parents would react if they had 6 weeks notice to cough up 20% VAT on the £7k the state pays for their DC's education. Multiplied by however many DC they have. Don't expect they'd be quite so enthusiastic on taxing children's education then.

I'd like to see how people that privately educate their children deal with private schools absorbing the VAT and having to make cuts to the service.

Chocochoo · 28/05/2024 14:05

OpusGiemuJavlo · 28/05/2024 14:03

I think there should be a premium land value tax on homes within the catchment areas of naice schools.

We live in a small ex-council semi in a grotty area of town where the catchment school and all other potentially accessible schools are crap, with low aspirations and very poor records on pupil safety with virtually no one getting into good universities. A house of the same size in the naice area of town with an outstanding comp that regularly gets top results and high levels of acceptance at top universities would be about £250,000 more expensive so obviously only the wealthy can access that privilege. I would like to see that £250,000 of bonus property value taxed to help pay to bring the struggling schools up to scratch.

It is taxed via SDLT? Or are you proposing another tax on top?! How are you going to prove that the house is only worth more because of the school?

This thread is already nuts.

beergiggles · 28/05/2024 14:05

GasPanic · 28/05/2024 13:59

Do you have any evidence of how much tax billionaires actually pay ?

Did you know that the top 10% of earners pay 60% of the income tax take in the UK ?

Or that the top 1% pay 30% of it ?

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not going to be crying a river over whether or not UK billionaires are rushing to the food banks. But they do pay an awful lot of tax.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8513/

Of course rich people pay a lot of tax, they're the ones who have purloined all the money!
The more money you have the greater your ability to hide it away so that you don't pay any tax on it🤬

StormingNorman · 28/05/2024 14:05

OnceICaughtACold · 28/05/2024 14:01

As long as we’re going to start charging an entrance fee at A&E, a booking fee for the GP, a comprehensive toll system covering all main roads…

The point of the tax system is that there are certain things which benefit the country as a whole and we shouldn’t have to pay based on our individual circumstances but our earnings.

Roads are covered by road tax which you pay for every vehicle so there is already an additional charge to users.

Floatingvoternolandinsight · 28/05/2024 14:04

Theyhadsomehoneyandplentyofmoney · 28/05/2024 13:36

What with the current hoo ha about VAT on private school and commentary about equality and privilege.. wouldn’t it make sense to vastly improve state schools? And in order to do so obviously the government needs more cash.

Isn’t it reasonable therefore to ask anyone using state schools, to pay a bit of tax for that, in order to improve all said schools from their (often) current dire state?

YABU - If you are not using state schools you are directly benefitting from of people having access to them, as it should be in a civilised society This is for everything from healthcare to collecting your rubbish and everything in between.

OpusGiemuJavlo · 28/05/2024 14:03

I think there should be a premium land value tax on homes within the catchment areas of naice schools.

We live in a small ex-council semi in a grotty area of town where the catchment school and all other potentially accessible schools are crap, with low aspirations and very poor records on pupil safety with virtually no one getting into good universities. A house of the same size in the naice area of town with an outstanding comp that regularly gets top results and high levels of acceptance at top universities would be about £250,000 more expensive so obviously only the wealthy can access that privilege. I would like to see that £250,000 of bonus property value taxed to help pay to bring the struggling schools up to scratch.

Votersswing · 28/05/2024 14:02

We all benefit from an educated population and we all benefit from the best minds for each area coming through.
Unfortunately our state education system prevents that because it doesn't tackle literacy issues properly or help students with maths issues and can force out of education those with autism and so on.

beergiggles · 28/05/2024 14:02

noblegiraffe · 28/05/2024 13:43

Everyone benefits from an educated population.

This!
Those who say 'I don't have any children so why should my taxes fund schools' are not thinking things through at all.
Without a free education how would we fill the roles in society that need to be filled? Children are not a hobby that parents have for their own amusement they are the next generation of people. They are the ones who build our society going forward. We need everyone to be educated so that we can all benefit from their talents and abilities.

OnceICaughtACold · 28/05/2024 14:01

As long as we’re going to start charging an entrance fee at A&E, a booking fee for the GP, a comprehensive toll system covering all main roads…

The point of the tax system is that there are certain things which benefit the country as a whole and we shouldn’t have to pay based on our individual circumstances but our earnings.

norfolkbroadd · 28/05/2024 14:00

Chocochoo · 28/05/2024 13:56

I think this might be one of the stupidest ideas I’ve ever read on here.

It's proper Mumsnetty isn't it? I love watching parents get their knickers in a twist trying to justify private schooling here. The lies they tell themselves to justify it too. Proper bonkers.