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Pulling my hair is weird behaviour?

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thelastgoodbye · 28/05/2024 11:10

This bank holiday I went on a weekend away for my friends birthday, I know most of the people going but not all.

We got the train down and we’re all sat on the tables of 4 next to each other. They started talking about how they were doing their hair that evening and one had extensions and she said how difficult it was to style as her hair was so heavy. I simply agreed with her that yes when I had mine I had the same issue.

One of the women I don’t know, looked at me and said actually you can see your extensions, leaned across from the other table and yanked on my hair. I just looked at her bewildered and said “that’s my real hair, I don’t have extensions in anymore”

Aibu to think this is just odd behaviour? It was like she was trying to embarrass me

OP posts:
cerisepanther73 · 31/05/2024 14:15

@LazyGewl

It's not only on this mumsnet thread here and other threads topics ops on here and of course,
in real life some certain people too,
Have in regards of a blind spot on anyone elses feelings in any way,

the endangered art of being able to relate and think how this could feel and effect,
potentially someone else from different perspectives than oneself,

this is a quite a good example this particular mumsnet thread is and another hot topic mumsnet thread recently,
is in obviously different way of course,
which is the Grandmother assaulted by her teenage grandson,

🤔 certain posters can not,
even consirder even,
how someone yanking @thelastgoodbye hair like that could even be thought of unacceptable or offensive or even be consirdered boundaries trampling or pushing or provocative in any way,

Well lets amagine this potentially real life senerio of someone wears a wig for medical reasons such as Alopecia or recovering from cancer treatment
and an random individual on day out with mix of friends etc,
decides to yank someone hair who is recoving from chemo therapy treatments or someone from Alopecia,

And yet the ones on here judgemental posters about @thelastgoodbye feelings and reactions on here,

if anyone did that to themselves in real life they would feel either mixed feelings or find it weird or something off about this action/ not quite right,ect ect,

Certain posters on here and some other people in real life are of course hypocritical and Contrary when it comes to other people's feelings

SpicyMoth · 31/05/2024 13:45

VERY weird behaviour, and catty imo!

One of my mates older sisters once told him to tell me that my extensions "didn't match the rest of my hair" - Not sure why, I barely knew her and only met her for about 10 seconds on two occasions.

I didn't have extensions, I just had two different tones of pink in my hair at the time as I prefer the underneath to be darker! (and to be fair the dyes had both faded a bit!)

I honestly think it's just jealousy to be honest, it always seems to come from people who are insecure about their own hair length :S

TheRodent · 31/05/2024 13:37

Seeing this for what it was, pulling someone's hair, real or otherwise, is an assault just as much as if she had biffed you on the nose. The issue is what she actually did, not how close a friend she was. Totally unacceptable under any circumstances other than self defence. Having said that it would probably be much too heavy handed in this instance to press charges.

HedgehogB · 31/05/2024 13:31

Theredoubtableskins · 28/05/2024 11:55

Because you were all going out together. It’s playfulness/messing around/silliness. Doesn’t matter that you don’t know her.

Was it you? It’s SUCH an inappropriate thing to do

Stormyweathr · 31/05/2024 13:30

thelastgoodbye · 28/05/2024 15:41

Thanks, she let go quick when she realised it was my real hair and I told her this is my real hair and I don’t have any extensions in. Then everyone laughed uncomfortably.

Honestly the rest of the weekend deserves it’s own thread tbh.

Was this maybe a backhanded compliment
as in your hair is long and nice it can’t possibly be real?

was she ok with you the rest of the weekend?

OutOfTheHouse · 31/05/2024 13:29

I can’t stand the ‘lighten up’ and ‘it’s only banter’ people. It is just shorthand for ‘I want to be an unpleasant bitch to you and you mustn’t complain’.

diddl · 31/05/2024 13:26

Myblindsaredown · 31/05/2024 08:48

lol at these answers. Of course it’s not ok. But it’s really not thread worthy either.

What truly is thread worthy?

It's just idle chat & people can join in or not as they wish.

LazyGewl · 31/05/2024 12:58

Onda · 31/05/2024 12:12

Of course none of the people on this thread would be happy with someone they don't know pulling their hair in a clear attempt to embarrass them. "Banter?" What would be funny about trying to show everyone someone had badly fitted extensions? Even weirder when OP didn't have any.

MN is infuriating for this. Everyone will say "Oh, I don't see the problem" yet if you were to do to them they'd see the problem soon enough.

LazyGewl · 31/05/2024 12:57

You don't touch people's hair! It is overfamiliar and it's violating their boundaries unless you have already established a friendship where that is your mo.

PossumintheHouse · 31/05/2024 12:37

thelastgoodbye · 31/05/2024 11:49

Its ok for me to want to be clear as not everyone reads the OP (on any thread). And I think it changes the dynamic in this situation if I did or didn’t have them.

It was a bitchy comment in itself to say she could see my extensions when obviously she couldn’t. But if I did have them in and she said that, whilst she should have done it more discreetly, she potentially was just being honest and blunt. So some people would say she was reasonable based on wrong information.

I adore extensions. I’m getting some soon hopefully, I’m just in the process of changing my hair colour so there’s currently no point.

But she did take it too far by pulling on my hair. But regardless I’ll likely never see her again as there’s no way I’d go away in that group again.

Please OP, tell us the great story of the Banning at the Premier Inn. Pretty please.

To answer your question, she was super weird and rude, and if somebody had done that to me I'd have been sorely tempted to yank her ratty locks right back. Was it a hard yanking?

MyBreezyPombear · 31/05/2024 12:18

I'm surprised by the amount of people who think it's okay.

It was a bitchy comment designed to try and embarrass the OP then to pull on her hair is just uncalled for. I hate my hair being pulled, it hurts and I've had to teach children not to do it so why is it okay for adults to do it to strangers?

Onda · 31/05/2024 12:12

Of course none of the people on this thread would be happy with someone they don't know pulling their hair in a clear attempt to embarrass them. "Banter?" What would be funny about trying to show everyone someone had badly fitted extensions? Even weirder when OP didn't have any.

cerisepanther73 · 31/05/2024 12:08

@Myblindsaredown

Why is it extreme 😕 that you think it's not assault then?

Your hair doesn't just grow out of vacuum

Your hair grows from a very personal intimate part of your being called human body

What gives someone the right consent whithout Your permission to yank or pull your hair or anyone else is then?

Or
even touch something that grows from an such an important and extremely personal part of who you are are made up that's called the human body

Do you understand 🤔 that better now

What if you were on a night out at a night club and a random man cause he fancied you decided it was OK to touch your hair Or Yank your hair with an attitude cause he is beholder of society's precious plums and two meats and veg male Penis,
he is entiled to touch your hair ,

Just cause he could and he wants to and just cause we live in man child ego centric society here in UK and around the 🌎 world,

How would you feel think about that then?

thelastgoodbye · 31/05/2024 11:49

Richard1985 · 31/05/2024 11:39

I don't think people are trying to minimise the incident or asking her to talk about it in a fun way. It was clearly uncomfortable for the OP and her not-friend was out of order

People are just reacting light heartedly to her repeated clarification that she wasn't wearing hair extensions, when nobody is suggesting she was

Its ok for me to want to be clear as not everyone reads the OP (on any thread). And I think it changes the dynamic in this situation if I did or didn’t have them.

It was a bitchy comment in itself to say she could see my extensions when obviously she couldn’t. But if I did have them in and she said that, whilst she should have done it more discreetly, she potentially was just being honest and blunt. So some people would say she was reasonable based on wrong information.

I adore extensions. I’m getting some soon hopefully, I’m just in the process of changing my hair colour so there’s currently no point.

But she did take it too far by pulling on my hair. But regardless I’ll likely never see her again as there’s no way I’d go away in that group again.

OP posts:
Richard1985 · 31/05/2024 11:39

thelastgoodbye · 31/05/2024 11:37

Quiet down Dick.

😂😂 good one!

Richard1985 · 31/05/2024 11:39

MrsJackThornton · 31/05/2024 10:47

Yes because the important thing when women are talking about people crossing boundaries and touching them without consent is that the women make sure they are talking about it in a fun way 🙄

I don't think people are trying to minimise the incident or asking her to talk about it in a fun way. It was clearly uncomfortable for the OP and her not-friend was out of order

People are just reacting light heartedly to her repeated clarification that she wasn't wearing hair extensions, when nobody is suggesting she was

thelastgoodbye · 31/05/2024 11:37

Richard1985 · 31/05/2024 10:28

It didn't last long😂

Quiet down Dick.

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MrsWombat · 31/05/2024 11:30

Yes it was unreasonable behaviour from her, and it says more about her than it does about you.

You are however being unreasonable by not posting the other details from the weekend.

Myblindsaredown · 31/05/2024 11:20

fromhellsheartistabatthee · 31/05/2024 11:16

Pulling someone's hair without permission is an assault. My hair isn't long enough for anyone to yank but if anyone tried it, they 'd get a slap.

That’s a bit extreme really. Is it internet hyperbole or would you really slap a friend who tugged your hair and then class it as assault 😱

fromhellsheartistabatthee · 31/05/2024 11:16

Pulling someone's hair without permission is an assault. My hair isn't long enough for anyone to yank but if anyone tried it, they 'd get a slap.

Spywoman · 31/05/2024 11:14

cerisepanther73 · 31/05/2024 10:35

@thelastgoodbye

As a black woman this can happen sometimes occasionally or often
par of the course having random stranger or someone you know vaguely or know well 🤔

Touch code word for =Grope/ interfere with your hair

Who think that it's Ok to touch your hair,
it's weird othering someone as different fetishism like,

Yes admire my hair style or type of hair but at a difference
Just like you do with Caucasian white folks women,

You don't know if someone who touches your hair goes to the toilet and does not wash their dirty hands after visting the toilets,

Or

If random or someone you know who touches your hair,
also has scratched their backside arse or picked their nose too,

You don't know if they have just touched your hair they have sweaty clammy hands or just eaten greasy 🤔 foods particles,

Or
If they have just sneezed on their hands ✋️ 🤧 too..

I adore curly hair, both the look and the touch of it - my son has very curly hair and it's great to touch it (he doesn't mind me touching it occasionally).

But I would NEVER touch a stranger's hair or even a friend's hair without being invited to do so. I hadn't thought of all your additional reasons, which make it sound even more gross but it's just invasive and intrusive and extremely rude.

It also puts you on the spot because you have to push back which can feel awkward and lead to confrontation.

Reading this thread though many people think their right to please themselves overrides anyone else's rights to personal space and autonomy.

Spywoman · 31/05/2024 11:08

zingally · 31/05/2024 09:39

Yeah, that is really odd, rude behaviour.

Unfortunately, when out with a group, especially when it's a group where not everyone knows each other, there can be some batting to try and quickly establish the social pecking order.
MOST of us are happy enough going with the flow, and seeing where the chips fall. Especially when it's a one-time thing, with people you're not likely to socialise again with for a long time.
But there are people out there who just HAVE to grab themselves the Queen Bee spot. Or at the very least, the spot of Chief Crony, when there's very obviously someone else at the head of the pack, such as a "birthday girl" or "bride to be".

These people will do ANYTHING to get to that position as quickly as possible. Usually they dress it up as a "yeah, I'm wild me!" Or "I'm the crazy one!" Or "I'm what you see is what you get. I say things LIKE IT IS!" And that can also include leaning over on a train to pull at a strangers non-existent hair extensions.

She's a twat, and anyone else watching with sufficient social awareness, will also think "what a twat."

Wow that's interesting. I wish I'd known this when I was younger. I was and am very much go with the flow and just enjoying being part of the group.

Because of that I didn't cotton onto the Queen Bee character or Chief Crony. It's becoming more obvious now. It's really quite pathetic but because the majority don't want to make waves no-one usually calls them out on their behaviour and often fawn over them because they don't want to become the target. As generally they make someone the target by picking on them or blanking them.

I find it quite entertaining when they blank me these days as I go full on attention giving (not fawning or ingratiating) so they have to at least look me in the eye e.g. hi there Ann how are you, with a beaming smile. They hate it.

oakleaffy · 31/05/2024 11:06

@thelastgoodbye I once had a woman pull my hair - A complete stranger, in the street- It was very invasive.
I expect this woman who pulled your hair was jealous of your lovely thick, long hair.

SapphireSeptember · 31/05/2024 10:59

I've had people pull and touch my hair. One very strange woman yanked on my ponytail when I was standing in the queue in Boots to get my attention. The only thing interesting about my hair is that it's very long (I can sit on it.) The colour and texture (dark brown with white, barely wavy and fine) are nothing to write home about. As I detest people I don't know touching me, (and once snapped at my ex-H for stroking my hair with greasy hands) I have a sort of feeling if people are getting too close to me and move away.

Spywoman · 31/05/2024 10:58

XiCi · 31/05/2024 08:11

I'm still not clear on whether OP had extensions in 🤔

Sounds like she'd had a few drinks on the train and was just messing round/being a bit stupid. Most people would just respond oy that's my real hair and then have a laugh about it. Not a big deal.

Well clearly not.

Maybe in your social circle but reading the voting, the vast majority of people would hate it and wouldn't have a laugh about it.

Perhaps those people who think it's hilarious should stick to doing with people they know and could be sure would treat it as 'banter' or 'a laugh' and leave acquaintances and complete strangers alone.

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