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Should we move?

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Piovereacatinelle · 28/05/2024 04:04

Sorry for the late post - up late, thinking everything over.

To begin, last year my beautiful daughter passed away age 39 from cancer, her one and only daughter was 8 at the time (now 9). Everyone was of course devastated but we have been grateful to receive a lot of support. I was able to retire and we have been looking after our lovely granddaughter after school every night, usually 3.30 - 6.30. 2/3 nights we will make dinner for our son-in-law so they stay later.

Now son-in-law has for various reasons decided to move away from London to Brighton, he is Swiss so his family are all still there (we are Italian but moved to the UK 25 years ago). He feels that being able to sell the large family home (purchased with the intention of being filled with children) will give his a fresh start he needs, allow him to invest money for his daughter (the life insurance covered the mortgage and school fees until she is 18, but won’t leave anything for after that) so she can purchase a home and travel. He didn’t have anywhere in mind, he is a doctor but predominantly works in private practice and has been offered a job in Brighton. He thinks the seaside will also offer his daughter a lovely childhood.
Not long after putting his house on the market it sold and he has had his offer accepted on a house in Brighton, he intends to move our granddaughter to a new school in the next term.
Now we live in London too, our house is too large for us and expensive to run. We have been discussing a bungalow/ground floor flat for a few years now as it should give us some security as we age. We also live near our son and 2 other grandchildren who are a little older at 10 and 12. Our other daughter has no children and lives in Italy.

For various reasons my husband and I think we should move. Initially we were going to go home to Italy for retirement but now with our granddaughter needing us more than ever it seems better that we too move to Brighton. The seaside would make for a nice retirement. We could get a flat over looking the sea and still have money left to potentially buy a holiday home in Italy that we could use in the school holidays with our granddaughter and as she gets older we would be able to decide if we wanted to stay in Brighton or move home full time.
Being there for our granddaughter and our son-in-law is also important to us, for our granddaughter we think it’s culturally important. Of course her dad speaks to her in French exclusively and before she passed her mum spoke to her in Italian exclusively (they both spoke both languages so they could understand) and of course nursery and school is all English. But now we are the only ones who can speak to her in Italian always (her dad speaks some Italian but isn’t fluent and prefers to speak French in his own home which is understandable). I also feel we have values, customs and culture to pass on.
Also practical support such as school pick up and club runs.

We mentioned to our son who lives locally and he thinks we shouldn’t move. Since moving to England 25 years ago we have only ever lived in London. We would lose out on time with our other grandchildren (they come to ours after school sometimes and lots on the weekend). He also feels that it’s not fair that one person decides to move and everyone’s life gets uprooted but my son doesn’t support the move in general and thinks disrupting granddaughters life more is a negative.

It really has me overthinking, I don’t know what to do? I love London and Brighton seems lovely and ideally nothing would have ever changed but this is the situation we are faced with and I think our granddaughter should be our priority in this instant as she does not have anyone else.

AIBU to think we should move even if it upsets our son?

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VestibuleVirgin · 28/05/2024 07:45

Piovereacatinelle · 28/05/2024 07:39

You didn’t read properly - we don’t force religion at all.
It isn’t the point of this post at all so I won’t argue it over and over.
Language and culture are very important to our family. Of course once she is an adult she can engage with as much or as little as she likes and speak whatever language she likes.

I don’t see why wanting your children/grandchildren to speak THEIR language is controversial. Do your children speak to you in a different language?
Ofcourse we - an Italian family - speak Italian at home, why should we have to speak English in our own home when our grandchildren are fluent in Italian? That is absurd!

I didn't say it was controversial. In my 1st post, I simply said she may not want to speak italian
I also asked if you'd considered a number of things related to moving. You have ignored those questions, misinterpreted what i said about language, and merely accused me of something else.
Unless she was born in italy, she is english, so your point about children speaking THEIR language is disingenuous

Piovereacatinelle · 28/05/2024 07:39

VestibuleVirgin · 28/05/2024 07:34

Wow, that's quite fundamentalist; no choice about language, culture, religion or hobbies...
You will be the children/grandchildren WE want you to be and who fits into a society that makes you do stuff you don't necessarily want to do...

You didn’t read properly - we don’t force religion at all.
It isn’t the point of this post at all so I won’t argue it over and over.
Language and culture are very important to our family. Of course once she is an adult she can engage with as much or as little as she likes and speak whatever language she likes.

I don’t see why wanting your children/grandchildren to speak THEIR language is controversial. Do your children speak to you in a different language?
Ofcourse we - an Italian family - speak Italian at home, why should we have to speak English in our own home when our grandchildren are fluent in Italian? That is absurd!

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VestibuleVirgin · 28/05/2024 07:34

Piovereacatinelle · 28/05/2024 06:49

For our family culture and language aren’t optional. I’m perfectly fluent in English but never have and never will speaks to my children or grandchildren in English, we only speak Italian.
Once they are adults they can decide how much or how little of the language they use but I see absolutely no negative in being part of your culture.
Granddaughters Swiss family are the exact same, they will only speak to her in French. She never uses English at home it is always French and with us it is always Italian.
We don’t force religion, but being Italian isn’t something she can opt out of, it is who she ethnically is!
My daughter worked so hard to make sure she was fluent in English, French and Italian and I do not want her to lose the ability to speak Italian just as her mum has passed. I don’t know anyone who is upset they speak
an extra language!
Its controversial but our family don’t see issue with forcing children to do things like
engaging with their culture, speaking a certain language in certain environments, going to certain hobbies (in granddaughters case tennis and piano are non negotiable). It’s not for everyone but it’s how our family works.
So really I don’t care if being Italian “doesn’t appeal to her” it’s who she is and that is that!

Wow, that's quite fundamentalist; no choice about language, culture, religion or hobbies...
You will be the children/grandchildren WE want you to be and who fits into a society that makes you do stuff you don't necessarily want to do...

MrsGlennBulb · 28/05/2024 07:31

If I was your SIL or GD I’d be very unhappy with my MIL/GM posting so much of my personal business online……maybe they don’t want the whole of Brighton knowing their life stories before they’ve even unpacked. Just think this through OP.

Chocolateorange22 · 28/05/2024 07:19

I'd perhaps rent an Airbnb in the off season so perhaps look at October half term. The coast is a much different prospect when it's blowing a gale and horizontal wind in the autumn/winter. You can see if it's somewhere you'd want to live for a few years then. I think your son would come round it's quite easy Brighton to London on the train so you could still visit them often.

In regards to your son, did he know that you were originally planning Italy? Brighton is much closer and he will be able to holiday there with his children during the school holidays so you won't be too far for him.

Clarinet1 · 28/05/2024 07:17

If it helps at all, my much-loved GM ended up with one DGC across the Atlantic (through a company move for his father; my cousin is still over there in his 70s) and DB and me in the UK. We were always very close to her and she did quite a lot of care for DB and me (DM was a single parent); At one point we even lived together as she grew older but I don’t think it adversely affected her relationship with
my cousin.

WestCorkGal · 28/05/2024 07:13

JustRollWithIt · 28/05/2024 06:54

I am so sorry for your loss. How does your granddaughter feel about her and her dad moving to Brighton? Is she happy and excited by it all? This is a big decision for you and understandably weighing on your mind, but I really don't think you should rush into making a decision right now. Let them go with the understanding that you may or may not one day move too, but try to keep an open mind. First see how things transpire after they have moved. It could be very lovely visiting Brighton at weekends and holidays, and vice versa your granddaughter coming to visit you in London. You could build some amazing memories with these special visits. It is really not far away on the train. Let them go for now, keep an open mind for a while, and see how it acts out. Everyone's feelings may evolve once they have actually made the move. You will always be there for your granddaughter, she knows that, I would say just let the situation evolve a little before jumping to any decision.

This! Was about to say something similar. Stay in London and visit Brighton every week for an overnight. Make it the same night. Make it every week. I did this to successfully repair a fractured relationship with my mother starting about 10 yrs ago. I know this isnt quite the same however the week rolls round very quickly and the consistency is key. Say you travel down every Thursday pick your lovely girl up from school. Cook dinner together ( in italian!) Hang out. The everyday stuff. That way you provide a fixed point in the week for your SIL and Darling GD. He didn't plan this move expecting you to follow so don't. Don't forget your grandaughter can come to london to see her cousins etc at weekends and holidays and vice versa.
You sound so loving and lovely. You are honouring and remembering your darling daughter so meaningfully by ensuring her daughter stays close to her maternal heritage.
It's lucky that SIL is only going to Brighton not his country of birth. This can be worked with.

Piovereacatinelle · 28/05/2024 07:09

Suncream123 · 28/05/2024 07:00

And if your GD decides that she hates tennis or would prefer another hobby to piano? Feel rather sorry for thus girl......

If it was a long lasting dislike her dad would reconsider. If it was fleeting then it would be tough. I know lots of adults who wish their parents had made them stick to hobbies and develop skills. We did this with our children. She can do other hobbies alongside tennis and piano and has at various points done various things, swimming for a while when younger, she’s been doing ballet since she was little by choice.
She has only ever expressed disliking a hobby for a couple of weeks, normally as she had gone up a level and it was a bit harder than normal but we made her persist and she started to love it again. You can’t just quit when you don’t like something in life!

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Suncream123 · 28/05/2024 07:00

And if your GD decides that she hates tennis or would prefer another hobby to piano? Feel rather sorry for thus girl......

5128gap · 28/05/2024 06:56

I'd wait OP until the decision is clearer. See what the new situation looks like when they move. The impact on DGC, how you feel. There's no rush and if you have doubts about a big decision that's not time sensitive, the best advice is usually to do nothing until the doubts subside. There's no right answer. Both choices are valid and reasonable, so its a heart decision. Wait until you know what you want.

JustRollWithIt · 28/05/2024 06:54

I am so sorry for your loss. How does your granddaughter feel about her and her dad moving to Brighton? Is she happy and excited by it all? This is a big decision for you and understandably weighing on your mind, but I really don't think you should rush into making a decision right now. Let them go with the understanding that you may or may not one day move too, but try to keep an open mind. First see how things transpire after they have moved. It could be very lovely visiting Brighton at weekends and holidays, and vice versa your granddaughter coming to visit you in London. You could build some amazing memories with these special visits. It is really not far away on the train. Let them go for now, keep an open mind for a while, and see how it acts out. Everyone's feelings may evolve once they have actually made the move. You will always be there for your granddaughter, she knows that, I would say just let the situation evolve a little before jumping to any decision.

Piovereacatinelle · 28/05/2024 06:49

VestibuleVirgin · 28/05/2024 06:25

This may be a grand arrangement, but have you considered, and this will sound harsh, what your position will be if he meets someone else?
Brighton is a cold, winndy boring place with an uncomfortable stone beach, and if you aren't arty/crafty, you are a social pariah ( i may be exaggerating, but it's no London, and certainly not Italy). Would you both be happy there, especially when your GD gets olders, starts making her own friends/social life, and no longer needs you in her life so much.
Appreciate your thoughts on keeping her Italian culture, but this may not appeal to her; you are very much projecting what you want here...
I would not recommend...

For our family culture and language aren’t optional. I’m perfectly fluent in English but never have and never will speaks to my children or grandchildren in English, we only speak Italian.
Once they are adults they can decide how much or how little of the language they use but I see absolutely no negative in being part of your culture.
Granddaughters Swiss family are the exact same, they will only speak to her in French. She never uses English at home it is always French and with us it is always Italian.
We don’t force religion, but being Italian isn’t something she can opt out of, it is who she ethnically is!
My daughter worked so hard to make sure she was fluent in English, French and Italian and I do not want her to lose the ability to speak Italian just as her mum has passed. I don’t know anyone who is upset they speak
an extra language!
Its controversial but our family don’t see issue with forcing children to do things like
engaging with their culture, speaking a certain language in certain environments, going to certain hobbies (in granddaughters case tennis and piano are non negotiable). It’s not for everyone but it’s how our family works.
So really I don’t care if being Italian “doesn’t appeal to her” it’s who she is and that is that!

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VestibuleVirgin · 28/05/2024 06:47

Lighteningstrikes · 28/05/2024 06:44

You sound wonderful grandparents.

This is good and right on so many levels.

Your son will surely understand, and London is not at all far away (in my book) and you can still see your other grandchildren a lot in Brighton which they would no doubt love.

I think you should definitely go to Brighton.

Brighton is a horrid place, why would love it?

Lighteningstrikes · 28/05/2024 06:44

You sound wonderful grandparents.

This is good and right on so many levels.

Your son will surely understand, and London is not at all far away (in my book) and you can still see your other grandchildren a lot in Brighton which they would no doubt love.

I think you should definitely go to Brighton.

Wherehas2023gone · 28/05/2024 06:41

From your post I would say move to Brighton, your granddaughter is an age where having you around will be great for her and will ease pressure on your son in law. Yes he might meet someone else or decide to move again, but life is full of uncertainty. Get somewhere with space for other family members to stay (for teens a weekend in Brighton will be great). You may want to reevaluate in a few years time, when there is less need for emotional and practical support. Your heart definitely doesn’t sound like it’s in London anymore.

CammoMammo · 28/05/2024 06:33

I am very sorry for your loss.

You put forward a very strong case as to why you should move. It also sounds as though that is what your heart wants to do. Hopefully your son will eventually see it from your point of view. I mean, if you went back to Italy as planned, you would presumably see him and his kids less than if you move to Brighton.

VestibuleVirgin · 28/05/2024 06:25

This may be a grand arrangement, but have you considered, and this will sound harsh, what your position will be if he meets someone else?
Brighton is a cold, winndy boring place with an uncomfortable stone beach, and if you aren't arty/crafty, you are a social pariah ( i may be exaggerating, but it's no London, and certainly not Italy). Would you both be happy there, especially when your GD gets olders, starts making her own friends/social life, and no longer needs you in her life so much.
Appreciate your thoughts on keeping her Italian culture, but this may not appeal to her; you are very much projecting what you want here...
I would not recommend...

Lovemybunnies · 28/05/2024 06:24

One thing to consider is ( depending on your age and health) who would look after you if you moved to Brighton and suddenly needed help for some reason. It doesn’t sound as if your son-in-law would have capacity for this or would feel you were his responsibility. Short term the idea of renting in Brighton to see if it would be a good move seems like a good idea.

thisraincangetfucked · 28/05/2024 06:19

In your situation I would move.

You want to downsize anyway, you fancy living by the sea, and it's not like you're moving to the other side of the country - you're within easy reach of the rest of your family.

coupdetonnerre · 28/05/2024 06:18

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FacingTheWall · 28/05/2024 06:13

I understand why you would want to move, and appreciate that your son in law has said he’d be happy for you to move with them. However, how will you feel if he starts moving on, with any possible new relationship? Sometimes these things happen really quickly, and he might not be so happy then for you to have such close involvement in their day to day lives.

Brighton really isn’t that far. I’d stay in London.

anon4net · 28/05/2024 05:16

I'm very sorry you lost your daughter @Piovereacatinelle

I know someone in your situation who lost their daughter soon after she had their first grandchild. When their son in law decided he wanted to move, they followed (with his blessing) only for their son-in-law to then decide to move again, further this time, about 4 years later to a place that they couldn't/didn't want to move to - the other side of the country. They had uprooted their whole lives to be there for their grandchild after their daughter died. They have a good relationship with their SIL but are now faced with moving again back to where they were before or staying without a grandchild there, and a massive wave of grief has come back as it feels like yet another loss.

If it were me, especially having seen a friend go through it, I'd probably either do one of three things

  1. Rent out your London home and rent a place in Brighton for a year minimum to see if it's really a good move for you. Is it what you expect or are you tagging onto someone else's life? Does your granddaughter need you in the same way? Or have things improved and now they need you only as a grandparent and not caregiving etc. and they are ready for a fresh start - still with you in their lives, but in a way that's more like it would be had they not gone through the loss they have.
  2. Keep a small place in London so you can spend time with your other grandchildren and adult DC and not have resentment from them you left for another grandchild, and have a place in Brighton. Maybe a 2 bed place in Brighton so they can visit and a 1 bed in London. Try to be in London a couple long weekends a month to see family etc.
  3. Stay in your home for at least a year after they move and see what it's like. Visit, reassure yourself and don't act too hastily.

Your granddaughter is a connection to your daughter so it makes absolute sense you want to be with her and that maybe it feels harder to not be with her than your adult DC and their children. I wonder if you need to be as geographically close to keep that connection, or if maybe with time and reassurance, you have built a solid foundation for your relationship and they can move onto a new chapter with your love and support from London.

Best wishes to you Flowers

Theyhadsomehoneyandplentyofmoney · 28/05/2024 05:02

holidaydramalama · 28/05/2024 04:45

You should move. You want to support and have a strong relationship with your granddaughter and you are her connection to her mother. .

I understand why it bothers your son but you can still have a strong relationship with him and his family

Yes agreed. Your granddaughter is the one who needs you the most, she’s lost her mum.

Brighton is close to London, just a short train ride away.

stronglatte · 28/05/2024 05:00

You sound lovely .. whatever you decide your thought and care shows that you will always put family first .. perhaps book a holiday down to Brighton and stay in and air bnb or cottage and see what you think of it ?

Londonscallingme · 28/05/2024 04:49

If I were you I would move. I’m so sorry for your loss.

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