The reaction to National Service on here

They don't want the neets - the military slots are supposed to be for the more motivated and bright students and only section where payments been suggested.

So how that would affect uni intakes, people who'd normally join services anyway at 18 after A-levels - or people doing apprenticeships or even starting own business - I don't think even been considered - perhaps that why they want a committee to flesh out ideas later - meaning it's impossible to know what form this scheme would take before voting for it.

Which is an entirely different proposal to the one made by the government.

And that's important, because the proposals aren't just useless, but actively harmful. They'd waste resources, both financial and human, that then aren't available elsewhere. That's bad at the best of times, but it's worse when we're in a position where Russia have already attacked us.

I’m so sick of the notion that all young people are ‘selfish’ and ‘entitled’ and ‘snowflakes’. It smacks of adultism (not to mention hypocrisy!)

This.

I've read the proposals it takes no account that young people can be in vastly different places - young carers/parents/full time working and most I know full time studying and p/t working if not volunteering already but not in fields mentioned so far.

Like Brexit there's also a lot of fill in the blanks. Posters insisting travel costs will be paid for volunteering with no idea who - it will just magically happen as will places - nothing been said so far - that military places are for neets when they said they want those places to go to best - there's headline saying parents will be fine/caution if their adult child doesn't comply then headlines saying no they won't - my 18 year old is in different part of UK at uni - military don't seem keen not sure rest of services mention are either.

It smack of punishing 18 year olds for going round being young at people.

Personally, I would not disturb the life of 18 years old but include it as a subject in secondary schools - 1h per week.

And that is how it functioned/ functiones in many countries.

Everybody needs training in first aid, and many useful skills

Read what Yalta above written. You are wrong

How would spunking a load of cash on 30,000 unwilling NEETs who the military don't want assist with this?

It's a stupid idea whoever's mouth it comes out of.

Just with the tories, you have to assume they are doing it to benefit their rich mates as well.

Labour have come up with many hare brained ideas in the past and I have been equally as vocal. Nothing quite like this though.

Rents are now a far higher % of household income than in the 60s and 70s. It's not about inflation.

I doubt that very much. Mandatory enforced unpaid work is not a vote winner, no matter which colour flag you fly.

as with any new initiatives. The fact is that NATO secretary and admiral said that the war with Russian is not a question if it happen but when it happen. And we need people to support communities in case of bombarding.

100% agree, if it hadn't of come out a tories mouth everyone would be praising the idea.

That is biggest problem I have with this you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours , you most untrusty band of scams we've ever had .

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They really weren’t

I paid 75% of my salary on rent

The places were shit holes because landlords knew that if you they rented to you they couldn’t get you out. So why spend money on the place as they could easily rent the place out as it was take it or leave it. The next in the queue would have ot
Council houses were freely available if you didn’t mind going to a really rough or unsafe area.

Friend chose 3 places near her which weren’t exactly top notch areas and the least wait time was approximately 8 years
One area was 23 years

What? No it’s not. I’m in Scandinavia. And it’s not a brutal necessity, not sure what you are on about tbh. It’s about everybody needing to help out. Most people can contribute with something. I know where I will be stationed if there is a war, at my nursery. You can’t just take if you want a working society.

Rent is dictated by the price of housing. People do not rent if the rent doesn't pay for their mortgage. It sounds lower because of inflation. The salaries were also lower. But yes, the golden era for council housing being built was in 50-ties

This is the govt that stopped housing benefit for under 22 year olds and had to reinstate it for care leavers because of the catastrophic impact it had on them.

If they really wanted to do this they'd introduce a well designed scheme as a trial and then gradually increase the number of places available.

Yes, they will give contracts to their mates who will make a lot of money out of organising 18 year olds to work for nothing. There is huge potential for profiteering and exploitation.

I think it’s tough. I was really busy at 18 - started an intense uni course, worked all hours I could just to survive. NS would have taken away time I really needed to earn money. I was really driven and wanted to get going with my life. I had limited financial help and had to completely rely on myself and my time.

My sibling, on the other hand, I think would have really benefited from NS. They were and still are (to a degree) lost in life. Made bad choices and partied all hours of every weekend, which is normal but ended up getting involved with drugs. Have had long periods of time without a job. I just think implementing a routine at that point would have been helpful for their mental health and sense of being.

but I know it can’t be done case by case…

Rents were low in the 60 and 70s and there were plenty of council houses.

National service for young men? Great idea; the young boys of today have no idea how to be a proper man.

For women? Nope. Not appropriate.

Honestly, everything depends on perspective. After second world war people had food rationed, beans on toast was a luxury food and apart from few in their 20ties and 30ties even dreamt about owning a house. The mortgage rates in 60-70-ties and 80-ties were huge, much larger than now.

Yes, that part really does suggest they are living in lala land and hadn't consulated anyone before coming up with the ridiculous idea. Since when are parents held responsible for the conduct of adult children in the UK?

The UK needs fruit pickers and because Brexit fucked up their system of paying people from other countries low wages for doing boring physical work, they need another plan. It also nicely fudges unemployment figures for 18 year olds.

A lot of countries have well run NS schemes but we have a Govt that has a long history of giving contracts to their mates. So I'm sceptical. I also think its insane they want to fine parents of 18 year olds who don't comply.