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Wedding without marriage

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DelythBeautyQueen · 27/05/2024 13:37

My cousin who lives in North East England was supposed to be getting married next month.

Attending won't be cheap, but we were looking forward to celebrating Anna's and James' special day.

They will have all the trappings of an extravagant wedding. They are not wealthy and have taken out a large loan to pay for for it.

The bride and groom asked guests to give them money for their honeymoon in the Caribbean instead of gifts. We were happy to do that and sent them £300 a few weeks ago.

They originally intended to have the legal marriage ceremony in their local registry office a day or two before the wedding celebration and a non-legal humanist ceremony on the day. I know this is a fairly common thing nowadays and had no problem with it.

I found out last night Anna and James have decided to have the legal ceremony while on honeymoon, not before the "wedding". I wouldn't see this as too much of a problem if they were going straight on honeymoon from the wedding, but they are not.

It turns out that they haven't even booked the honeymoon yet and intend to go "sometime next year".

The "wedding" next month will go ahead exactly as planned. The bride and groom do not intend to tell guests that they won't actually be married. The only reason I know is because my aunt is very upset and told her sister (my mum).

I know that a few members of the family are stretching financially to attend this "wedding" for a couple that will not be married at the end of it and probably won't be married for as much as 18 months after it.

Am I being unreasonable for being angry about this. That we have been deceived into attending a sham wedding?

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ManilowBarry · 27/05/2024 20:11

I would ask for my money back as it was a wedding gift and no wedding will be taking place dow the foreseeable future and you're not giving them money just to host a party.

Iwasafool · 27/05/2024 20:09

DelythBeautyQueen · 27/05/2024 18:30

Current polling is 19% unreasonable, 81% reasonable.

Assume the poll is representative of Mumsnet users and Mumsnet users are representative of wedding guests generally.

If you invite 100 guests to a party you call a wedding, but don't actually get married, you can expect 81 of your guests to think you are unreasonable.

I don't think it would be a very happy affair. Especially if your guests only found out on the day.

I used to work with someone who invited people to her baby's Christening. Once in the church the vicar announced that before the Christening he was just going to conduct a wedding and the proud parents walked down the aisle together. No one seemed bothered that they'd been "conned."

Iwasafool · 27/05/2024 20:06

Delphiniumandlupins · 27/05/2024 20:01

My friend, who is a humanist celebrant, would make it absolutely clear that she is not legally marrying someone in this kind of ceremony. I don't think she would be happy to discover that most guests imagined the 'legal' bit had already been done. Why not spend the small sums required for the registry wedding first? The fact they don't plan to tell their guests means they know it's dishonest.

How judgemental. How does it affect her?

Iwasafool · 27/05/2024 20:05

2chocolateoranges · 27/05/2024 17:41

The wedding and party afterwards is to celebrate the commitment that the couple have shown, if they aren’t having the official legal part for months then there really is no reason to pretend. Just have the wedding and party after it’s all taken place.

it all seems a bit of a farce pretending to get married before it’s actually happened.

A friend told me about a wedding she went to, they split up two weeks later on the day they got back from the honeymoon. I think that was a bigger farce.

Shan5474 · 27/05/2024 20:02

Some weddings are done before the legal ceremony and so in that sense they’re a sham too and the couple could end up never getting married for all anyone knows. When my brother got married at the town hall we weren’t allowed to mention they’d already had the wedding as it’s against some rule or something. I think it’s weird that they haven’t booked to actually get married, after all it’s only about a 15 minute affair and they don’t even have to dress up. It sounds like they’re doing so they can have a wedding but not a marriage. But I couldn’t get worked up, it’s their life and no one is forced to attend their wedding

Delphiniumandlupins · 27/05/2024 20:01

My friend, who is a humanist celebrant, would make it absolutely clear that she is not legally marrying someone in this kind of ceremony. I don't think she would be happy to discover that most guests imagined the 'legal' bit had already been done. Why not spend the small sums required for the registry wedding first? The fact they don't plan to tell their guests means they know it's dishonest.

Utterlyb · 27/05/2024 19:09

Like many people do these days, we had the small registry office( only us and witnesses) legal bit followed by a bigger humanist ceremony the day after, my sibling did the whole married legally abroad (only them & witnesses)followed by a wedding party back home…..many of our older relatives were a bit bemused by both of our weddings and certainly there were some grumbles ,so I think your cousin risks really annoying a lot of relatives….totally understand why people would feel a bit cheated by splashing out on wedding expenses to attend a non wedding with no plan in place for a legal ceremony.

DelythBeautyQueen · 27/05/2024 18:30

Current polling is 19% unreasonable, 81% reasonable.

Assume the poll is representative of Mumsnet users and Mumsnet users are representative of wedding guests generally.

If you invite 100 guests to a party you call a wedding, but don't actually get married, you can expect 81 of your guests to think you are unreasonable.

I don't think it would be a very happy affair. Especially if your guests only found out on the day.

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Pinkjarblujar · 27/05/2024 18:21

I wouldn't feel strongly about this. The vows are the important part.

UneFoisAuChalet · 27/05/2024 18:19

Hmm, my first husband and I did the opposite.

We had the registry office wedding with a handful of people and had planned to the church and reception bit after we graduated Uni.

Well, we never got around to it. We were married and there always seemed to be something more important to spend the money on. Flat, car, holidays. Next thing you know, it’s five years in and we’re getting divorced 🤷‍♀️

They’ll probably end up never getting around to the honeymoon nor the wedding because they’ve already ‘done it’.

DelythBeautyQueen · 27/05/2024 18:15

catmothertes1 · 27/05/2024 17:16

The last 2 wedding I went to (in Scotland) were conducted by a humanist celebrant and they were a legal ceremony.

My cousin's humanist ceremony is definitely NOT a legal marriage ceremony. The couple have been completely open about that. They said on the invitations that they were going to have the legal ceremony in their local registry office a few days before the "wedding".

As far as I am aware, no one was unhappy about that, because the "wedding" was to celebrate the marriage ceremony that would already have taken place.

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TheIceQween · 27/05/2024 17:49

Yeah it’s definitely not a normal thing to do. They’re misleading their guests. People go all out for weddings whereas if they had labelled it as “engagement party” or something similar, they probably wouldn’t have gotten the response they wanted? (E.G a huge £300 gift from just one of the guests alone) I’d be pissed tbf. Very pissed. If they commit legally a few months ahead, no ones going to want to acknowledge that as you have all celebrated rather prematurely. Unusual…

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 27/05/2024 17:46

I wouldn't have sent off my wedding gift a few weeks before the wedding.

Unless i had been notified of a deadline that the honeymoon had to be paid for by.

Beautifulbythebay · 27/05/2024 17:44

Can you cancel the cheque??

2chocolateoranges · 27/05/2024 17:41

The wedding and party afterwards is to celebrate the commitment that the couple have shown, if they aren’t having the official legal part for months then there really is no reason to pretend. Just have the wedding and party after it’s all taken place.

it all seems a bit of a farce pretending to get married before it’s actually happened.

HaddawayAndShite · 27/05/2024 17:39

When we got married at the registry office and had a celebrant wedding a few days later, the registry office and celebrant were very clear we did it that way round as they do ask if you've had any ceremonies that could be considered a wedding and there would be extra steps or checks or something. I'm not sure why but maybe they need to look into it properly just incase.

milveycrohn · 27/05/2024 17:35

My DH and I once went to a wedding that turned out NOT to be a wedding, but just a ceremony. We did not know until the ceremony, when it was stated clearly during the ceremony.
In their case, the B&G had legally married 2 days earlier, but I still felt Cheated??
It felt that the B&G (and their family) were being deceptive.
I was annoyed/angry, etc, but frankly, I also sort of assumed I was being a bit unreasonable, and have got over it now.
Yes, I know lots of couples have the legal bit separately. So, I think I was annoyed about the deception.
Having the legal ceremony several months or years later is really something, as anything can happen during that time.

Bellyblueboy · 27/05/2024 17:26

I seem to be in the minority as this wouldn’t bother me at all.

it’s still a ceremony where two people say they love each other followed by a party?

I don’t really care about the legality.

as for the gift - as long as they don’t expect a second gift when they do the legal but I don’t really care when they get it.

if they don’t get married? How is it different to people who divorce within a year of the wedding (this has happened after I shelled out for a very expensive gift 😂).

bakewellbride · 27/05/2024 17:25

That's like going to a baby shower and spending money on a gift only to find the mum to be sat there with a pillow shoved up her top saying we will ttc 'some time soon'. Ridiculous.

Likewhatever · 27/05/2024 17:23

I suppose if they are covering the costs of the party itself, food, venue etc, then it doesn’t really matter what it’s dressed up as. I wouldn’t be paying twice though, it would just be a card from me when the actual marriage was announced.

justlonelystars · 27/05/2024 17:23

I couldn’t get worked up about this. Whilst I appreciate marriage is a legal commitment, it doesn’t mean what it used to mean in terms of sanctifying the union. When I got married it was more to express my love for my husband (and vice versa) and making a public declaration of this love, the legalities of it don’t bother me and the religious aspect certainly didn’t - and the same goes for those weddings of friends that I have attended. I couldn’t care less if they’re actually married (and I think one set of my friends isn’t legally married yet, a year after their wedding), I was just glad to be a part of their day where they celebrated their love.

catmothertes1 · 27/05/2024 17:16

Jeezitneverends · 27/05/2024 14:12

Celebrants most certainly can perform a legally binding marriage ceremony-I’ve been to several and the celebrant has made a point of saying (words to the effect) “this is the legal part”

The last 2 wedding I went to (in Scotland) were conducted by a humanist celebrant and they were a legal ceremony.

cherish123 · 27/05/2024 17:00

A party, then, not a wedding.

VivX · 27/05/2024 16:54

It all sounds a bit bonkers. It not even an elaborate engagement party as presumably they've already been engaged for some time.
I think I'd be tempted to save giving them a "wedding" present until they were actually married.

LostittoBostik · 27/05/2024 16:53

unsync · 27/05/2024 15:56

My ex did this, organised a big wedding abroad circa £30k. People flying out, hotels, white dress, bridesmaids, the whole shebang. Service conducted in foreign language. Not sure if they told people it was fake, not even their families. We were still married as he dragged out the divorce. Still, it didn't impress the Judge, so worked in my favour.

Wowww. Pleased for you, though.