Shops are not playgrounds

Yes, I have just some back from holiday where I experienced exactly as you describe. A child of about 10 sitting behind me (his parent had buggered off elsewhere) kicking the back of my seat, standing on the armrest, slamming the seat tray up and down, watching his ipad at full blast with no headphones etc etc. When we got off, the mess he left was unbelieveable, empty crisp packets and crisps and biscuits all over the floor.

To be fair, his dad was just as bad for the 10 mins he was sat there - yelling up the aise to his wife/partner sat further back, on the phone to his mate during the safety demonstration, walking up the aisle during takeoff when the seatbelt signs were on (had to be told to sit down by the flight attendance), stood up to get his case from the overhead lockers during landing - you get the picture.

I would gladly pay extra for adult only flights!!

It's basic human decency to not inconvenience other people when it's completely avoidable. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

There's a big difference between stopping a member of staff to ask a question as you're going around the supermarket, and holding up a massive queue full of people to ask at the checkout after already having a 3 hour long conversation with a poor staff member who is also getting stressed by the number of people waiting and doesn't care that Betty is coming to visit you on Wednesday.

Maybe your life is so boring you like to kill time waiting in queues for no reason, mine isn't.

So, to extrapolate, in your world:

The elderly need to be quiet- not even a tut.
They mustn't stop when walking round a supermarket- (what if they are disabled? Come to think of it, are the disabled allowed in supermarkets in your world?)
They mustn't ask a question of a member of staff- is there an age limit when this is permitted? Because I'm not elderly and sometimes I do. Or I don't buy things. Because I can't find them. Or I need information)
They mustn't buy heavy things - again
They mustn't pay cash
They mustn't use gift cards
They mustn't make mistakes
They shouldn't be allowed in the same spaces as other people.

I won't evoke Godwin by saying you sound like a Nazi. But you're clearly very ageist.

How despicable you sound. Hope your presumably elderly parents are proud of their creation.

Such a horrible ageist post. DH is over 65 and all he wants to do is get the tedious supermarket shop over with as soon as possible. I’m 63 and believe it or not I pay with my phone and have my club card on there too.

@greenpolarbear you need to get with times. I think you are describing 85 plus.

65 years olds I know are tech savvy and a lot are still in work or off on some fabulous breaks. They are far too busy to spend three hours chatting check out person

60 and prefer to scan my own!

@greenpolarbear , over 65 you say, you do realise most of us are still working and in just as much of a hurry to get round Tesco as you are.
Think I’ll wander off tutting about ageist posters while swigging from one of my many bottles of water, while replacing something I obviously didn’t need in the first place.

YANBU. I can't believe how people just allow their children just to run around shops. It's lazy parenting.

And I think AGEISTS need to keep their nasty AGEISM to themselves!!!

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Believe me its not just in shops! I am a flight attendant and people allow their kids to behave like feral animals on planes as well! Running up and down aisles, in and out of the galleys! Jumping up and down on seats while pulling on the passenger in fronts seat, kicking the seat in front. They allow them to chuck food and rubbish everywhere and even scribble all over the aircraft!

It's not easy to stop a full trolley when a kid runs in front of it yet if you hit a child you get a mouthful of abuse like it's your fault the child wasn't restrained.

Surely no-one has the ‘right’ to ride their scooter in a supermarket, @Allfur?

If a kid on a scooter rams into my FIL, it would probably cause his leg or hip to break, because he has bone cancer there. That won’t heal, because of the cancer, and he will end up in a wheelchair. He is fiercely independent, and this will kill him.

Of course, he might get hit by someone on a scooter when he’s walking to or from the shops, but at least when he is outdoors, he knows there might be cyclists/people on scooters, and can watch out for them - I doubt he’d expect one to come flying round the corner in ASDA.

And yes, of course, he could do his shopping online (or we could do it for him because he can’t use a computer), but then he will end up stuck in his flat, with little or no human contact, feeling he has lost a big part of his independence - which would be bad for his mental health - and why should he, and every other vulnerable person, hide themselves away so that parents don’t have to say to their children “No, you can’t ride your Heelies/scooter/bike in Tesco” - and mean it!

On any thread about the behaviour of children there’s posts about old people (45+ 😂) as a ‘gotcha’ because they think we shouldn’t be allowed to talk ‘badly’ about groups of people. But when the behaviour of one group is so bad they’ve had to be banned from multiple shops and even areas and it’s in the news then I think discussing it isn’t discriminatory, it’s a discussion that needs to be had. If thousands of 80 year olds arranged to converge in one area of a town and damage property, shop lift, rob and hurt people then it would be fine to discuss it!

Of course. A lot of kids are hooligans, so let’s blame old people. .🙄

In my opinion children should be allowed everywhere, absolutely everywhere. What’s the point not allowing them somewhere for years and then they’re suddenly allowed to go and don’t know how to behave. The issue is parents who don’t teach them to behave while they’re there. Scooters, heelys and bikes aren’t acceptable shop toys and the parents should be teaching them that. I saw a lovely kid in Morrisons the other day pushing one of those kiddie trolleys putting in stuff their mum told them to, they got in the way a bit, they were a bit slow but no one minded, tutted or said anything, because the child was just learning. If children are just learning that’s fine, it’s when they’re allowed to run riot it’s not ok. The same as dogs, the same as dogs, the same as adults.

Yes and they will get one no doubt with the consensus being that children should never be allowed anywhere and the inevitable comparison to dogs and the good old ‘I prefer dogs to people’ line.

It’s like playing bingo these days. Yawn.

Kids hate shopping, I don’t know why people put themselves through it. Just order online and go and do something more fun.

Don't be daft. Nobody of 65 is that decrepit. What you're describing is people over 85. Jeez, 65 year olds these are shopping in H&M, going on hiking holidays to Kathmandu and most of them are still fucking working full time (me included) so the idea that we've got time to talk to shop staff for 3 hours or spend all day in Tesco is pretty anal.

In fact I get so pissed off with parents who take half an hour to ask little Johnny what sort of cake (or whatever) he'd like whilst blocking those shelves. It happens time and time again. They might have all the time in the world but I haven't. If you want to pore over food options go to a restaurant.

And that smell! New carpet smell and hiding in a carpet roll from your sibling while your parents umm and ahh over the competing virtues of underlay.

I think you'll find most people over 65 don't behave like that. The ageism is dripping from your post.

And I don't think anyone should be riding a scooter in the supermarket, whatever their age.

Nobody should be riding a scooter indoors!

So do I. I’m nearly old enough to be in it

I always say out loud “I thought I was in Tesco not kiddie paradise”