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To be concerned my 5 year old is still in pull ups at night time?

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Pricklypears · 26/05/2024 19:03

Just that.

He’ll be 6 in October and still wearing pull ups at night time. He has the odd dry night, but mostly it’s still wet when he wakes up.

Do I need to contact a doctor / paediatrician?

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Echobelly · 26/05/2024 22:39

DS was in them at night until about 6 and a half - he just slept like an absolute rock and nothing seemed to stop it until it stopped pretty spontaneously at that age.

maddiemookins16mum · 26/05/2024 22:36

NerrSnerr · 26/05/2024 22:11

ERIC state that 1 in 7 seven year olds wet the bed so it's pretty common. Thats 4-5 in a standard size class.

5 in 7 would be common.

NerrSnerr · 26/05/2024 22:11

maddiemookins16mum · 26/05/2024 22:03

I wish people would stop saying it’s normal and common. It’s misleading.

ERIC state that 1 in 7 seven year olds wet the bed so it's pretty common. Thats 4-5 in a standard size class.

maddiemookins16mum · 26/05/2024 22:03

I wish people would stop saying it’s normal and common. It’s misleading.

greatvisuals · 26/05/2024 22:02

My boy was 5 and one night we ran out so he had to go without.

He wee'd once that night (plastic undersheet luckily) then never again.

Is it psychological? Once they sleep in a wet patch and also go to bed again the next night without bed pants, I think their subconscious remembers and wakes up.
Also, this may seem obvious, but tell him what to do in the night if he wakes up needing a wee. I told my boy to come and wake me up and I'll help him to the bathroom. He only woke me a handful of times in the first few weeks, then never.

SprinkleofSpringShowers · 26/05/2024 21:56

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 26/05/2024 21:30

@Pricklypears it is not very common to still be wet at night at all. when I worked in paediatrics we usually only had the occasional enuretic (wee) child but seldom had (once in a blue moon) any encopretic children (poo). I have noticed over many years that parents are taking too long to toilet train and not starting early enough. no fluids after 6pm, star charts etc usually work but you have to be consistent. lift child to toilet after a couple of hours in asleep. your kidneys make approx a ml a minute so the last drink would virtually be in the last wee when you lift them. disabled children can take longer.

Edited

My son is 5 and potty trained at 2.

We don’t have squash. Just water and limit fluids after tea time.

We tried lifting him at 10pm and even a second time and he was still wetting the bed inbetween.

Tried rewards, we did a “Santa wee wee chart” I said Santa would take the chart and leave a special present. He was so excited but he wasn’t managing and just started taking his wet pull up off, hiding it and telling me he had managed it. He gets really embarrassed about it and I’ve had to reassure him some people just take longer than others. He’s got quite upset a couple for times when he’s been wet.

My youngest was trained at the same age and was just dry day and night almost straight away.

To add I spoke to the HV and she said wait abit and speak to the school nurse. 🤷🏼‍♀️

ScaleInsectGoo · 26/05/2024 21:55

I have 4dc. 1st was in pull ups until 10, occasionally wet the bed until about 13.
2nd and 3rd dry at night from 4.
Last is nearly 10 and on Desmopressin. Long chat with eneuresis nurse the other day. Some kids just don't make the dry at night hormone until later. It's totally normal.

ohheckwhatnow · 26/05/2024 21:46

My DS 11 is waiting in his first appointment with the enuresis clinic. He's on the medication Desmopressin prescribed by GP, started on it when he was 10. Loads of useful info on https://eric.org.uk/
It took until he was 10 until the GP would prescribe and make referrals, they were waiting for him to grow out of it before that.

Home - ERIC

With your help, we can keep offering free support to those who need us.

https://eric.org.uk

BettyOBarley · 26/05/2024 21:37

Hankunamatata · 26/05/2024 19:25

It's different for each child. Oldest dc turned out was having a wee in his pull up when he woke as he was a wee lazy sod. Youngest dc however turned out ot have sleep apnea.

I was going to say, have you tried him without, or are you going by the fact the pull up is full in the morning?
DS was still in them at 5 until we realised that he was also being lazy and weeing in them when he woke on a morning and I can see a couple of other people on the thread have found the same!

We had a couple of accidents after taking them off where he was waking in the morning and weeing cos he'd forgotten it wasn't on any more and then he's been dry ever since.

PizzaPowder · 26/05/2024 21:32

We were told that 20% of 8 year olds still wet the bed and not to be worried yet.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 26/05/2024 21:30

@Pricklypears it is not very common to still be wet at night at all. when I worked in paediatrics we usually only had the occasional enuretic (wee) child but seldom had (once in a blue moon) any encopretic children (poo). I have noticed over many years that parents are taking too long to toilet train and not starting early enough. no fluids after 6pm, star charts etc usually work but you have to be consistent. lift child to toilet after a couple of hours in asleep. your kidneys make approx a ml a minute so the last drink would virtually be in the last wee when you lift them. disabled children can take longer.

x2boys · 26/05/2024 21:29

It can be normal lots of children wet the bed far longer than five or six I have a disabled child who was in nappies in the day time until about 9 but from about 6 0r 7 he never wet the bed sometimes its about when a hormones kicks in .

dizzydizzydizzy · 26/05/2024 21:24

It's totally normal. Both my DCs were in night time nappies til about 7ish. Everything wa totally fine after that.

caringcarer · 26/05/2024 19:33

Icanflyhigh · 26/05/2024 19:07

My 12 year old is too, boys sleep more deeply and don't wake to go for a wee - it's normal, GP says we've nothing to worry about and he'll sort it naturally.

Surely at 12 the incontinence team should be helping him.

CableCar · 26/05/2024 19:30

My daughter was in pull ups until she was 6. Eventually we tried going cold turkey with no pull ups... we had accidents for about a week before she eventually stopped wetting regularly... Then it was just occasional accidents... Now she hasn't had an accident in months.

It's totally normal to still have night time bed wetting at this age. Check out the ERIC website. Two other people I know had children who didn't outgrow bed wetting until they were 8 and 9... There was no medical issue when the Drs investigated, they just took longer to be dry at night. I wouldn't worry, honestly.

Gloaminggnome · 26/05/2024 19:28

We were lent the alarm by the bladder and bowel team when my daughter was 7 and it took her from only being dry half the time to completely sorted in a week. It's a game changer.

I had also waited until she was nearly 7 but we were told at the appointment that in our area they see children for this issue from 5, so worth asking, the worst they can say is no.

NoCloudsAllowed · 26/05/2024 19:27

Giveupnow · 26/05/2024 19:15

Stupid question - but do you buy different things for older kids? My 3 year old is in size 7 nappies but floods them and they leak. Would pull ups absorb more?

I think it's the same really. Leaks can be because of legs being a bit loose, or willy pointing up (sometimes because a bit of fiddling).

I'd check that, and consider reducing fluids in the hours before bed. Front load them so they drink more early on then give sips only after tea time on.

Hankunamatata · 26/05/2024 19:25

It's different for each child. Oldest dc turned out was having a wee in his pull up when he woke as he was a wee lazy sod. Youngest dc however turned out ot have sleep apnea.

User0ne · 26/05/2024 19:24

While it isn't completely unusual, you should be seeking advice at 5 if they aren't dry at night

I strongly recommend having a look at the ERIC website, start following their advice - it's what a GP will advise at this point so try it for a couple of months first to see if it makes a difference.

We did this and then used a night wetting alarm for my eldest when he was 5. It worked after a week and he's been dry since (he's now 7).

BookArt · 26/05/2024 19:24

My 5 year old had the checks at school and we received a text generally saying in anyone needed support with toileting then get in contact with the school nursing team that run across the county. They have been amazing. They are checking in again in a few weeks, I've followed all their advice linked with constipation too as that can cause problems. She has said after this latest advice if he is still having very full pull ups every night then she will refer him. But she has said up to 7 is normal. I would contact your version of school nursing team through the school and get advice and the ball moving as they are great.

WeightoftheWorld · 26/05/2024 19:24

Totally normal. My DC is turning 6 and also still in nappy pants overnight. We've tried 3 times over the past 9 months to go without with no success or progress. I spoke to the GP in the autumn and they said it's really common and just periodically keep trying for a week at a time without to give it a go but to stop if DC showing any signs of distress and to call them back when they're 7 if theres still no progress.

susiedaisy1912 · 26/05/2024 19:23

My oldest ds had bed wetting issues until he hit puberty and wasn't completely dry til he was 15. We tried everything and then one day we realised he had been dry for about a month. Please don't be too worried it's just different for every child.

NoCloudsAllowed · 26/05/2024 19:23

My dd was still in nappies (which is what pull ups are) at just about six. Waited for her to be dry then her 3yo brother was dry so we tried them both overnight.

Tbh I think she just had a habit of weeing when she woke up. It took a week or two then they were both mostly dry, only ever wet once a night which was ok, by six months wet nights were rare and now two years on they're really rare (every 3 months or so and usually when she's especially tired).

We take them for a wee when getting pyjamas on and another one just before lights out. It helps.

I know it's sometimes a hormonal thing but it's also sometimes a habit thing.

We got these tuck in sheets that cover the middle half of the bed on top of the sheet and are very absorbent - so wet beds mean taking that off and changing pyjamas but mostly can then get back into bed without a full change. Unless it's a very heavy wetting.

Double sheeting also helps (another waterproof protector and sheet on top of the waterproof protector and sheet) so you can just whip one layer off.

oishidesne · 26/05/2024 19:22

Mine is 12 and still wetting bed. We have had tests done privately and everything is fine. He sleeps very deeply. The docs say he will grow out of it and not to wake him for a wee in the middle
Of the night as his body needs to Learn to wake him.

yikesanotherbooboo · 26/05/2024 19:22

It is very common not to be dry at night at 5. Even in year 6 there will be at least one or two otherwise normal children who are unreliably dry at night . It isn't a skill you can teach and in almost every case you just have to wait for the child to produce the hormone that regulates this. It should be a non issue until they are 7 or 8 at least unless you suspect they have medical problems and even then it needn't be an issue because they almost always just get there.there is lots of info re this on line . It is so common that I really don't understand why it isn't general knowledge amongst us mothers that this is nothing to worry about.