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Stop telling people to go to A&E!

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Miriad · 26/05/2024 13:39

I see it on here a lot. Someone is getting fobbed off by their GP and not getting diagnosed. So they get told to go to A&E, where they have the ability to do blood tests and urine tests and scans to figure out what’s going on.

I’ve been sobbing in agony for three weeks and my GP isn’t helping me, and I can’t get another GP appointment for a fortnight, so posters advised me to go to A&E.

I waited six hours only to get yelled at by an angry doctor, saying my condition is neither an accident nor an emergency. According to him I don’t need urgent treatment even if I’m crying with pain - because pain isn’t urgent. If I’m stable and not at risk then I need to go home and see my GP.

A&E can not be used to bypass a useless GP and access tests and scans. They will not diagnose you or refer you. Their job is to give you the minimum care to make you stable so you’re not at risk, then send you home.

So stop telling people to go there. Maybe in the olden days you could go there for help if your GP was rubbish, but not any more.

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Oaktree55 · 26/05/2024 19:28

See a private gp anyway you can. Beg steal borrow. Not that expensive and you’ll get 20-30 mins not the shitty non service from NHS!

BirthdayRainbow · 26/05/2024 19:27

Miriad · 26/05/2024 16:02

I’m not kidding. I don’t want to be seen at an STD clinic because there’s a stigma attached. I don’t have an STD, I have a UTI or something.

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Don't be so immature. Some people will be there because they have had one partner or 50 or have been cheated on. Some will be there for horrific reasons. No one cares why anyone else is there. They just want help for themselves.

If you are being truthful about your situation then stop letting medics say no. Ask for help when they say no ask them who can. Ring every day. Go back to A and E. I have never once turned up to A and E and been told I shouldn't be there. I've always been helped.

Dontsayanything · 26/05/2024 19:27

If you had investigations done for UTI and had swabs done ,that means its not a new pain ,hence A/E send you back home.GP can see your previous consultation in notes and I am thinking you would be given painkillers before they did your investigations ,hence the appointment in a fortnight.If that is the case ,they might be referring you for further investigations or to pain clinic ,(which could be months)hence the non urgent appointment

brunettemic · 26/05/2024 19:24

The different experiences people have with their GP is crazy. I’ve been referred for surgery and not even been able to see my GP about it. I genuinely don’t know how you see one at our surgery, I have a friend who submitted photos of something for her DD, waited 3 weeks for them to be assessed and then 4 weeks for a GP phone consultation, at which point he started by saying the pictures were a bit old 🤯

Katbum · 26/05/2024 19:23

Miriad · 26/05/2024 14:05

It feels like a severe UTI but all the tests and swabs done by the nurse at the local surgery are clear. She said I will have to see a GP for further examination, but there are no appointments for another two weeks.

I haven’t slept for nearly a month because the pain is so severe. I can’t go to work, can’t sit on a chair, and I’m sobbing in agony. So I went to A&E and was told I’m not at immediate risk so I just have to wait for a GP.

I’ve had a UTI since I have birth 18 months ago, still on a referral ‘waiting list’. This is after 10 or more gp visits. No way of accessing care. I have had to buy antibiotics online and self administer daily dose against doctor’s guidance. It’s unbelievable how shit the NHS is. I’m in intermittent severe pain- impacting every aspect of my life from ability to care for my child, be intimate with my husband, work to capacity. Literally no one gives a shit.

Heirian · 26/05/2024 19:15

"If you're stable" you shouldn't go, but without being a doctor how does one know one is stable?
You're not qualified to tell people what you're telling them on this thread, OP.

LakieLady · 26/05/2024 19:12

I don't understand why some NHS trusts don't have out of hours/urgent treatment centres. This is exactly the sort of thing that I would go to our UTC for if I couldn't get a GP appt.

They have nurse practitioners who can prescribe, and if they think it's something that requires treatment or tests that they can't do, they send you on to A&E. The one in my town is in what used to be a "cottage hospital" and has an x-ray unit, so they can diagnose and plaster simple fractures. It must save a shedload of trips to A&E.

I hope you manage to get it sorted soon, OP.

aodirjjd · 26/05/2024 19:08

StormingNorman · 26/05/2024 17:50

It’s not about pain thresholds. Pain is not an indicator that something is an emergency or life threatening. I have a couple of chronic pain conditions and wouldn’t go to A&E every time my pain level went up. There is nothing they can do apart from painkillers. OP was given painkillers but that doesn’t meet her criteria for treatment 🤷‍♀️

don’t be awkward. It’s clearly completely different if you have a diagnosis so know what the pain is being caused by.

to be clear I meant to say: unexplained pain that is so bad you can’t function is an emergency and could indicate something is seriously wrong therefore you should get it checked asap and there’s nothing wrong with going to a&e for that!

dreamingbohemian · 26/05/2024 19:01

Also you keep saying burning and feels like a UTI but then you want someone to look at your vagina. Are you having discharge or anything like that? Or is just burning when you pee?
When you say pain, where exactly is the pain?

dreamingbohemian · 26/05/2024 19:00

Miriad · 26/05/2024 17:35

How would I get an STD when I haven’t had sex?

I’ve tried to book with the GUM clinic online but the only options are “I have an STI”, “I don’t have symptoms but want to be tested for STIs”, or “I need help with contraceptives”.

No option for UTI or thrush.

So I picked “I have an STI” but when I answer the multiple choice questions it just says this service is not suitable for your needs, call your GP to discuss further. And I can’t get in to see the GP.

Do you mean you've never had sex in your life?

Some STIs don't manifest for years so if you've ever had sex at all, you can't rule it out.

VJBR · 26/05/2024 18:47

Miriad · 26/05/2024 15:52

In my area you just get another nurse 😩

What area are you in? Our GP surgery isn't perfect but you can always get an emergency same day appointment if you ring first thing. Or one through Nhs 111 if it is out of hours or even an online consultation. It seems very strange that none of these options are open to you. If I was in that much pain I would book a private appointment and put it on my credit card.

WomanMumLoverDaughterStepmumFriend · 26/05/2024 18:41

Sorry but you and this doctor are both wrong . I would out in a formal complaint.

TeenHere · 26/05/2024 18:38

Are you absolutely certain that you can’t see the GP? Even if it’s an online consult at least you would be able to converse with one.

My dad told me that it was impossible to see the GP. I went along to the surgery, politely explained what the issue was and the receptionist said she’d speak to a doctor and see what they said. Doctor phoned late that evening and booked dad in for the next day. I just can’t believe that your surgery is as awful as you say it is

MrBallensWife · 26/05/2024 18:26

Sometimes the hospitals themselves send you to A&E,a few months back I took my mom to her physio appointment in the hospital and they were concerned about the swelling in her knee a few weeks after a knee replacement so said she needed to go to A&E,we asked if she could go to the GP instead they said no,the policy is referral to A&E,I even asked if they could refer us to Orthopedics instead to save waiting in A&E,they said hospital policy is A&E only....

8 hours later she was triaged and 13 fucking hours later she was seen and discharged as they said there was nothing wrong with it,it was normal to still be slightly swollen at this stage after a knee replacement.
We weren't the only ones there who had been referred to the A&E department by the hospital themselves either.

StormingNorman · 26/05/2024 18:25

Miriad · 26/05/2024 17:52

Yeah cos it’s not diagnosing or treating the problem. It’s not treatment, it’s just a painkiller.

You went there for pain and they treated the pain.

A&E isn’t for diagnosing ongoing medical problems and without a diagnosis they can’t offer treatment for the problem causing the pain. To be honest, I don’t know why you sat there for six hours thinking you’d found the NHS cheat code. Why do you think there are waiting lists month and years long to see specialists if all you need to do is pop along to A&E for all your tests and scans.

dottiedodah · 26/05/2024 18:09

I think you have been unlucky tbh. Our A and E are very good.triage first the see the doctor. Some people have no other way to get seen. Hope you soon feel better. If you are in agony you need help

Miriad · 26/05/2024 18:04

AnonAnom940 · 26/05/2024 18:00

Have you tried things to help alleviate your pain?

Hot water bottle / heat pads
Paracetamol
Ibuprofen
Combination of above
Ibuprofen and codine from the pharmacy, no prescription required
Soothing bath

I have, and it’s easing the pain a bit but it’s not fixing the problem. I’m worried if it’s left too long and it is a UTI it’ll become more serious and be harder to get rid of, or spread to my kidneys.

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trampoline123 · 26/05/2024 18:02

You can call 111 and they will find a GP appt for you.

WhoGivesaSpit · 26/05/2024 18:02

Miriad · 26/05/2024 17:59

I can’t go to the GUM clinic! I’ve literally just tried to book online and it says the service is not suitable for my needs! And I’ve already spent 6 hours at A&E and been yelled at and told off for going.

yes but the doctor who saw you was clearly unacceptable. Go to a different hospital, call a different GP surgery, pay for a private appointment, DEMAND an ooh GP from 111, but don't come on MN to whine about the advice dispensed on here because that definitely won't help.

AnonAnom940 · 26/05/2024 18:00

Have you tried things to help alleviate your pain?

Hot water bottle / heat pads
Paracetamol
Ibuprofen
Combination of above
Ibuprofen and codine from the pharmacy, no prescription required
Soothing bath

Miriad · 26/05/2024 17:59

WhoGivesaSpit · 26/05/2024 17:54

OP, you seem determined to wallow in your misery and rebuff every suggestion made on here. If you (bizarrely) won't go to a GUM clinic or back to A&E to demand a proper examination, then all you can do is call your GP every morning between now and your appointment to see if they've had a cancellation.
But you really need to put your big girl pants on and start advocating for yourself, no one else is going to.

I can’t go to the GUM clinic! I’ve literally just tried to book online and it says the service is not suitable for my needs! And I’ve already spent 6 hours at A&E and been yelled at and told off for going.

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WhoGivesaSpit · 26/05/2024 17:54

OP, you seem determined to wallow in your misery and rebuff every suggestion made on here. If you (bizarrely) won't go to a GUM clinic or back to A&E to demand a proper examination, then all you can do is call your GP every morning between now and your appointment to see if they've had a cancellation.
But you really need to put your big girl pants on and start advocating for yourself, no one else is going to.

Miriad · 26/05/2024 17:52

StormingNorman · 26/05/2024 17:50

It’s not about pain thresholds. Pain is not an indicator that something is an emergency or life threatening. I have a couple of chronic pain conditions and wouldn’t go to A&E every time my pain level went up. There is nothing they can do apart from painkillers. OP was given painkillers but that doesn’t meet her criteria for treatment 🤷‍♀️

Yeah cos it’s not diagnosing or treating the problem. It’s not treatment, it’s just a painkiller.

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fetchacloth · 26/05/2024 17:52

aodirjjd · 26/05/2024 13:50

if I was in pain to the extent I was in tears I’d be going to a&e. That indicates something seriously wrong

Me too. Last time I was in this situation my GP told me to go straight to A&E without delay. Thank God he did because I had sepsis and didn't even realise I'd got that, I thought it was a straightforward infection needing antibiotics.

StormingNorman · 26/05/2024 17:50

aodirjjd · 26/05/2024 16:41

maybe your pain threshold is different to mine. I think being unable to sit down or sleep pushes it into potentially serious pain territory. However the fact that the op won’t go to a GUM clinic because she’s embarrassed suggests she doesn’t feel as bad as she claims so maybe that’s how she’s coming across to doctors.

It’s not about pain thresholds. Pain is not an indicator that something is an emergency or life threatening. I have a couple of chronic pain conditions and wouldn’t go to A&E every time my pain level went up. There is nothing they can do apart from painkillers. OP was given painkillers but that doesn’t meet her criteria for treatment 🤷‍♀️