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To feel that supportive relationships are a form of privilege

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Brood · 25/05/2024 20:30

I got my operation for my third round of egg retrieval about ten days ago. Unfortunately, there was an extremely rare complication where they could only access one of my ovaries and I ended up needing extra tests due to something that went wrong during the procedure. I felt devastated as I had no awareness this could even happen. I knew immediately when I woke up that something had gone wrong because the pad I was lying on contained a lot of blood which I had never seen on previous occasions and there was a very sombre atmosphere and lots of waiting.

The explanation I got was that our internal body parts are constantly moving around and sometimes they move out of reach. This resulted in me going home with all the mature eggs still in one of my ovaries.

Afterwards I was extremely swollen and sore and bleeding for days. But since then, the swelling hasn’t gone down - I look about 6 months pregnant - feel exhausted, unwell, I feel overly full after eating, headachey, my breasts are very tender, and I’m starting to wonder if something else has gone wrong. I don’t know if anyone has any experience with this process. I just remember the recovery time being pretty quick and straight forward previously, but then I never went home with all my eggs still inside one of my ovaries before.

The other thing is this has been having an impact on my mood. I felt super alone watching couples in the waiting room of the fertility clinic, seeing men arrive to pick up their partners, men in the waiting room (I hate seeing men in the waiting room - it feels so triggering). Everyone in my workplace is engaged or happily married and while I love my own company, I’m starting to wonder what am I missing that I can’t find anyone who wants to be with me. There’s a podcast I listen to and the speaker talks about her struggles but she has a very supportive partner, according to her she has perfect kids that she easily got pregnant with & a solid family and even a very supportive ex partner. I don’t think people like this can truly understand how life is when you don’t have any support. I listen to her talk about how difficult life is but I wonder does she get how privileged she is.. She has never had to do anything alone.

Part of the definition of privilege is that privileged people don’t know they have it. I wonder how well people giving advice to others would do without the security of knowing they are loved and of having that solid support system behind them. This woman talks about privilege all the time without ever recognising her own. Are people really taking a risk by speaking vulnerably or counter culturally when they have a band of cheerleaders behind them who all think the same?

My work colleagues have the privilege of soaring self confidence knowing they have been accepted and loved in their long term relationships . I see how their partners bring their cars to be serviced, pack them lunch and do the grocery shopping for them, pay half or all of the rent, drive them on trips, help coordinate their schedule, make them dinner, make them feel special on their birthdays. Good for them, but they cannot have any idea of what it’s like to need to be everything for yourself all the time, to have to do the work of all those supporting roles alone. I wish the world would recognise this privilege. I know these are two different subjects, but they’re kind of the same. I don’t have anyone in the waiting room or at home, or to do my shopping or make me dinner or look after me. I am trying to figure out how to have a baby alone, buy a house alone, build a career alone. I often have to take annual leave because I have no one to call on for little things like getting my car serviced. A few months ago, I couldn’t drive due to an operation and I had no support at all with basic daily needs. My work colleagues take for granted that support is there. There are just millions of little ways having a support system makes life so much easier, and anyone who has that is truly privileged.

I am often judged for not having everything in order but I’m juggling everything myself. We all don’t have the same hours in the day as Beyonce when Beyonce has a team of people who take loads off her and free up plenty of extra time. I am judged for trying to figure out who is worth dating while my colleagues have extremely high standards because they’ve been lucky enough to have been loved that way. I feel I have done more work on myself than most and unfortunately, things still don’t work out & people with good supporting partners and families are blind to how much more smoothly their life runs because of other people and have so little insight into that privilege

Am I being unreasonable to feel so isolated in feeling that no one understands this?

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Frozensun · 26/05/2024 03:29

Firstly, contact the IVF people. Make sure that you don’t have hyperstimulation. It can be a problem.
secondly, privilege was the wrong word, but even with that, you don’t know if anyone else goes home to a partner that beats them or belittles or controls them. What you see in public is not the whole story. Sometimes the grass is not greener. Gently, maybe you need to step back and work on your headspace before you go again. Make sure that you’re deciding to go it alone for the right reasons. It’s a big decision made on behalf of your future child. And I say this as a fully supportive mother of a daughter who has gone down this track and a proud grandmother of her offspring.

octoberfarm · 26/05/2024 03:28

Goodness, I think some of these responses are a bit harsh. I think everyone has all kinds of privileges and hardships. It's okay to feel sad about what you don't have, even if you're privileged in other ways. I'm sorry you're struggling, and that the op didn't go as planned. That sounds like a lot.

Have you heard of the podcast Not By Accident? The presenter takes you through her whole journey of conceiving her daughter as a single woman, and it's fantastic - open, honest and so full of heart.

Mamai100 · 26/05/2024 03:16

Pastlast · 25/05/2024 23:08

Wow really harsh responses! IVF is tough. Hang in there and be kind to yourself.

Agree.

Howbizarre22 · 26/05/2024 02:55

Jadedbuthappy82 · 25/05/2024 23:23

Well I hear you and I totally get it too. I empathise completely with what you're saying. Won't bore you with the specific details of my own position, it's different to you but similar in the coping alone way and being almost patronised/criticised/pitied by those around me who all have doting husband's.. they can't and won't ever properly get the difference in our lives. Even the little things, so many little things, each day. Sounds daft but just having someone to bring you a cuppa when the day has gone to pot again. I get it. You are not alone. We just have to keep going, one small step at a time. And most of all, be kind to yourself and make allowances for yourself.

I hear you too same over here. I’m the only single one in my entire workplace & im so tired of hearing about their smugly happy marriages & doting husbands & their regular holidays together.
Having said that men are annoying and there’s a lot I don’t miss 😄

Bournetilly · 26/05/2024 02:42

You don’t know what’s going on in their lives, you are only seeing a short preview.

To many people you are privileged, having the chance to go through multiple rounds of IVF. Not everyone is able to do that. You’ve chosen to do this.

You are already complaining about not having a partner, how will you feel if you have a baby?

TeaAndTattoos · 26/05/2024 01:56

Wow just wow that’s all I’m going to say I will let someone else explain the irony of your post because I have neither the time nor the crayons to want to explain it to you.

Catsmere · 26/05/2024 01:08

maddening · 26/05/2024 01:02

Yabu re privilege- whilst I agree that people have advantages, through luck usually, and these things feel unfair - I think that the current use which has been academically driven and ideologically abused is not good for anyone's mindset imo.

Absolutely this. Good fortune or advantage or luck are all "privilege" now, which always carries the implication that there is something the person in question should do to, essentially, apologise for having it. The word has its appropriate applications, but this isn't one of them - especially seeing how shit relationships often are for women, and how we're socialised to put on a smiling face and think it's our own fault when men are abusive or just lousy partners.

maddening · 26/05/2024 01:02

Yabu re privilege- whilst I agree that people have advantages, through luck usually, and these things feel unfair - I think that the current use which has been academically driven and ideologically abused is not good for anyone's mindset imo.

Orders76 · 26/05/2024 00:58

Em, then go out, attempt to spend some years finding a decent partner and see how privileged you feel.
A few years later, you'll either give up for a while or have found someone who's somewhat trying with you. And then the hard work begins.
Those falling into the relationship you described with no effort, incredibly rare

theprincessthepea · 26/05/2024 00:55

No matter our life circumstances we all have problems and fortunes. My problem may be minuscule to someone else, but it is still my problem and I think it is rude when people tell you not to feel a certain way because “I should be grateful”. At the same time there are things in my life I am forever grateful for.

Nobody has the same path. Our life are a mixture of choices and circumstances - some in our control and some beyond our control.

You have many privileges- for starters, access to health care; clearly income for IVF ;(many can’t even afford this option); I’m guessing you might work? Maybe you have a roof over your head - you have privileges. But you clearly also have parts in your life that may feel unfair and unlucky.

It sounds like you’ve chosen to do this alone. You don’t know what happens behind closed doors and the layers of someone’s life.

Please don’t compare your life. I really hope you get the medical help that you need. I’m guessing you will go through IVF, but please find some find to build a community around you so that you are not alone. It is difficult raising children alone. You may not need or want a man, but work on solid female friends.

Numbbrain1 · 26/05/2024 00:37

I'm sorry you're lonely. It doesn't sound like you have friends either when you talk about having no support. I recommend getting some friends. They'll bring a lot to your life. If they're married they'll also burst this idea you have that all relationships are perfect! They're not. 'Soaring self confidence' just because you have a fella is utter tosh. I've never felt more confident than I did when I dumped my partner and knew I could do it alone... You are talking codswallop.

I also wouldn't embark on single parenthood personally. Different if that's how circumstances play out but you are making a choice to do this. I could've done the same but absolutely did not want to. Parenthood is not compulsory.

StJulian2023 · 26/05/2024 00:36

Ah OP. Hoping you don’t come back to this thread as I don’t think it’ll help you. And I hope you’re feeling a bit better very soon.

I do see what you mean, but also why some PPs are taking umbrage. Simply not comparing and doing what you can to make each day (sometimes hour) better is the way forward I think.

I had it easy for a bit - a wonderful loving husband, two easily conceived DC, stable family background (though I did lose a sibling as a child). I’ve now been widowed and lone parenting for 7.5 years, and eldest is ND and EXHAUSTS me. Life has been set on hard mode for over 10 years since DH’s surprise terminal cancer diagnosis.

Being resentful of those who still have what I briefly had is no help at all. What does help is finding ways to snatch moments of peace, and building connections with friends. What makes you feel better, even if it’s just a bit? Do those things instead xx

Hellodarknessmyfriend · 26/05/2024 00:31

I was far lonelier in my years as a married mum than I ever was in my years as a single one.

PinkSunsetSky · 26/05/2024 00:21

usernother · 25/05/2024 22:58

You are doing all this by choice OP. Stop moaning.

This.

Darker · 26/05/2024 00:19

The grass isn’t always greener….

You sound very lonely.

Loneliness can be extremely painful and debilitating. It’s a mistake to believe that everyone in a relationship, or with children, is happy and not lonely. But leaving that aside, it can feel that everything around us is about family and friends and everything being easy when you have that.

I think you are very courageous to go down the path you have chosen, to have a child on your own. Whatever happens you will face many challenges. I wish you well.

twilightermummy · 26/05/2024 00:18

I completely understand what you're saying. I was reading the initial responses agog. I'm a single mum to 3 children, 2 with additional needs, and I often look at the people around me in good relationships and think that they have it easier. Now, I've been in a very abusive relationship so I know that things may be different behind closed doors. When I take the children on holiday and hear couples arguing, I feel relieved that it's not my holiday being ruined whilst I sip my wine. I had plenty of holidays ruined.
I guess what I'm saying is, it would be nice to have some support. I always look at my sister with some envy at her perfect house, husband and shared money. I never even got to the marriage stage (thank f*ck).
I feel for my children for having such a lousy dad and I wish that I could have done things a lot differently but I'm getting by and hope for a better day in the future. I know my children adore me and will respect me when they're older. Hats off to you! I hope you find your happiness.

Ciderlout · 26/05/2024 00:02

I know what you mean OP. I feel lucky to have my DH and he feels the same. There are particular times where we really appreciate that we have each other and feel lucky to have met each other. As you say its things like if you’re feeling poorly there’s someone there to check in on you and get you a cuppa etc…

What I think people don’t realise, is how important having stable and good parents is. I look at other people and I think I wish I had that, but instead I’ve got an abusive dad who I’m NC and my poor man drank herself in to oblivion because he was so hard work. My point is, having supportive family and partner isn’t something everyone has. Some people have no one to rely on whereas others have lots of people and that in itself is a fortunate position to be in. So I hear what you’re saying.

TheGlassCastle · 26/05/2024 00:01

I posted too soon, I was going to add that you may also like to read this article from Wait But Why about finding a life partner; https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/02/pick-life-partner.html One of the main points the author makes is that: “Dissatisfied single people should actually consider themselves in a neutral, fairly hopeful position, compared to what their situation could be.”

And this excerpt from an interview with Elizabeth Day about the story she’d been telling herself in relation to if her IVF had been successful: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5Sn9Jxvd3M/?igsh=M2lobWY2YW1jN2Z4 I’d say you’re telling yourself a story about all the positives associated with having a partner but a quick read of the Mumsnet relationships section would show you that not all relationships turn out like that!

Good luck with your IVF, I hope it works out for you and you start feeling better soon.

How to Pick Your Life Partner - Part 1 — Wait But Why

Given that the choice of life partner is by far the most important thing in life to get right, how is it possible that so many smart people get it so wrong?

https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/02/pick-life-partner.html

mathanxiety · 26/05/2024 00:00

Also, unless your HCPs told you to expect the symptoms you're now experiencing, please go back to the hospital or clinic to be checked.

mathanxiety · 25/05/2024 23:56

Minion21 · 25/05/2024 22:43

So you are undergoing an IVF procedure without having a partner and you are complaining that you don't have a partner?! I must have misunderstood, surely. Do yiou realise that, in comparison with a lot of women on the face of the earth, you are very privileged? And what about the child you're trying to conceive without a supportive partner? He is probably the only person that should be intitled to talk like that. He will have all the rights to see his peers with a dad very privileged! In any case all this recent , global woke talking about privilege has put what we once called envy on a pedestal. It nurtures the worst feelings of the human being.

Agree.

OP - two things:

The only thing any of us has in our power to change or to improve is our perspective.

We only see the surface of anyone else's life.

Akamai · 25/05/2024 23:55

amoobaa · 25/05/2024 23:51

@KreedKafer I never said she did, or that she is right in her assumptions. But criticising someone for making assumptions, whilst simultaneously assuming stuff about them isn’t very constructive or emotionally intelligent.

I am one of the people she is describing and she is correct about me in the sense that I have it easier going through all this with a committed partner. I do feel privileged in many areas she describes. That makes me feel empathy for her… not anger. So what if she thinks I’m blindly privileged. I know what I have and how aware and grateful I am for it every day.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Im
not interested in being horrible to her because she’s being horrible to others. I’m interested in understanding what’s going on, and offering something constructive… something kind.

If you think she’s such a monster you should read that quote abut monsters… When dealing with monsters, be careful you don’t become one yourself.

Exactly. All of the things OP has said have been said many times before. Two income households have a security that single income households don’t. Having someone to take care of you when you’re sick is so comforting. And yet OP is being attacked for calling that a privilege.

If DH left, I’d have to do everything on a single income, which is pretty scary.

TiredCatLady · 25/05/2024 23:55

YABU. You have no idea of what is going on behind the façade of any one else’s relationships or fertility struggles.

Being in a relationship of any form does not denote “privilege”. Closed doors and all that.

I’m sure you have your reasons for going this alone and there not seeming to be a partner involved and they’re just that - your reasons. It doesn’t mean anyone else’s situation is any more or less privileged. You simply don’t know and nor do we.

Herdit · 25/05/2024 23:53

This is a real pile on, AIBU is not the place if your looking for support during ivf. You will get very direct responses from people who have really been through it

please have a look around at other boards to find the support you are looking for

Beezknees · 25/05/2024 23:53

Appalonia · 25/05/2024 23:50

I do get what you're saying. Having a supportive partner makes a world of difference to your quality of life. It's exhausting, lonely and depressing to not have anyone there for you. Especially as you get older.

Could not disagree more!

Akamai · 25/05/2024 23:52

What a nasty thread. OP, ignore them, some people can’t see beyond the end of their nose.

OP, I’m sorry you’re going through this alone.

I hope you come through this (with a baby or not) with health and happiness.