To think schools should get with the times re working parents.

@working8til4 Not sure you missed my post upthread? Myself and parents had to collaborate to get wraparound running after Covid - I couldn’t work without it! There is strength in numbers so I suggest if there is no wraparound then 1. Find a childminder (I did that til DD was in Yr 3) and then 2. Contact other parents and the governors to get a wraparound started or extended.

Having read the ops posts, it seems that the problem is they've made a shit load of fairly poor decisions which have led them to be in a hole, and are now looking to place blame elsewhere.

This is a bit different to what the OP was suggesting though. This is an optional extra, like a better after school club.

OP seems to be suggesting all children should be in education 8-6 every day which would be madness.

Childcare does not need to be provided by the school. I am a teacher, and always used a childminder instead of the wraparound care because I wanted them to be in a home environment before and after school. Personal choice obv.

The ONLY people we have been able to recruit in our school's wraparound are TAs who already work in the school. No-one else applies when we've advertised. Same as our dinner supervisors. No-one wants trapped hours of not being able to be paid, yet having to be instantly then available after school.

So our TAs are the worst paid, get the shortest breaks, and have the longest days as they work breakfast club, TA in the morning, cover dinner time, have a half hour break, TA in the afternoon then straight into after school club.

This sounds good, perhaps the UK should take some guidance from other countries

It would be far too much for children to be learning, and in a formal environment, for all of those hours. For more hours than adults work!

After school clubs are at least a bit more informal. And they’re not in their classes.

And there are other options like a CM or after school nanny if you want your child to be in a home environment but have to work.

Most people, it's part of the planning required when deciding whether to keep the child and whether a move is needed if you do.

I'm pretty confident you could find a cheaper house near a school with wraparound.

I’m not in UK, school is open between 7 and 5. The teaching takes place between 8 and 1 or 2 depending on the age of the child. The wrap around care is not provided by teachers. You can use it as much or as little as necessary and costs about £200 a month and includes an afternoon snack. It also runs full time during the holidays at no extra cost. They do lots of activities with the kids like sports or crafts or they can just play.

No, but you research it when picking a primary school.
A house near a school with wraparound won't automatically be more expensive.
In our village, the primary at the cheaper end has wraparound. The one at the expensive end has parents affluent enough to either afford for 1 parent to work or to pay a Nanny, and doesn't have wraparound

Traditionally male jobs should promote part time working. It's not fair that women are expected to do the bulk of the school runs, feeding, childcare etc, but it's also not fair that men are largely not allowed to - it's supposedly permitted for them to ask for it but it's widely frowned upon and not possible for men. Why not?! They're just as replaceable as women for the couple of hours a day it takes to do school runs and finish early, and they should be afforded the potential to do it just as much as women are.

Don't we need to wind back a bit from your train of thought though op?

You're essentially asking for solutions to allow both parents to work full time and the kids to be looked after by someone else essentially for all their waking hours Mon-Fri.

So genuinely, what's the point? Where's the quality of life there? All week essentially working for parents/kids, maybe one day of the weekend chores/errands/housework, the other day for kids activities. Where's the fun? Where's the downtime?

Shouldn't the question rather be about adults all working less to get a better work/life/family balance?

Seriously? Most schools don't have enough vital staff for a school day, how would they find extra for before or afterwards? I really hope you're a troll because I'd hate to think an actual human could think like this

A cheaper house next to a school with wraparound.

Should have a 30hr work week for adults instead of school children having a 50hr work week.

They often are. My daughters school provides netball, tennis, football, choir, gardening, art, dance, yoga, recorder, cycling and creative writing lessons from school staff after school at no extra cost. Each child is allowed to pick up to 2, and on these days they finish at 4.15/4.30.
And swimming lessons weekly in year 2 during school day.

And drama, French, Spanish, violin and piano from external providers at extra cost to parents.

It's a very standard state primary.

You mean like wraparound care which is in place in loads of schools?

But you didn't research that and are now blaming the school for your lack of research befoe having a child.

Well I’m not baby sitting them either, I’ve got planning, marking to do and you know see my own kids

You're not getting the point.

Literally NO ONE wants the job.