To think schools should get with the times re working parents.

People keep saying this but what about jobs that you CAN'T have flexible working? Not everyone works in an office that can have hybrid working etc.
Imagine the ranting on here if people were told their doctor finished at 3pm every day because they had kids. People would be moaning that they need to see the doctor after 3pm because that's when THEY finish work. So they want to finish work at 3pm to pick up their kids but the doctor/dentist/hairdresser/beautician all need to work until the evening so they can have their appointments after work.
And what about teachers who have kids? They need to finish at 3. No lesson planning or meetings after work. Then people would complain that teachers aren't working hard enough etc.

Why can’t that change?

Why do you think that should be the school's responsibility?

My question wasn't a should/shouldn't situation @VivaVivaa. It was simply WHY do you want to have children who you will barely see? It doesn't matter rich or poor or how you get to the fact that you'll only see them on weekends and holidays. But once you know that's the case, why try to conceive?

No they fucking aren’t.

Childcare is a massive part of what they do - as became evident during COVID when schools had to remain open so that essential workers could do their jobs.

Ah thank you @cadburyegg, finally an actual answer! So, change of circumstances led to it. Thank you.

So my question now still just stands for those who deliberately go in to it knowing they'll barely see them even from conception time.

Anyone who doesn't see their children, for any any of the reasons cited. Why have them?

But why are you equating that with not seeing your dc? So basically if a mum and dad work they shouldn’t have had dc? If your dc have a lot of activities you shouldn’t have had them? If your dc have a long school commute you shouldn’t have had them?

Who your world should have had dc then @arethereanyleftatall?

For the same reason anyone has children. We all have selfish reasons. It’s ultimately a selfish choice to reproduce.

And you aren’t answering the question. Should poor people or people in service jobs not have children because they don’t have the luxury of being able to reduce hours or be more flexible around school hours?

Again, @VivaVivaa, that isn't an answer to 'why have them'. I mustn't be articulating my question very well. I'm trying to work out what the thought process is behind having children who you will barely get to see because of all the very valid reasons you've cited.

But who would staff them?

@Username83058265 and they’re barely even for education

Erm, yeah, no thanks. If one of the advantages of not having kids is being able to work hard without being distracted by dependants then I’m going to sell that to the highest bidder, not work for peanuts doing 4 hours of childcare a day.

Again @MrsMurphyIWish , you haven't answered the question. Why are people having children they will barely see?

Because my question is really - if you want to be a career person, that is great and lovely and wonderful - be a career person- but why have children who you won't see? What are you actually having them for?

I'm a single parent. If I don't work then my mortgage doesn't get paid and my children don't get fed. I wasn't always single, I'm divorced from their father. My children were very much planned but shit happens, I still need to provide for them because their dad won't. Nothing to do with being a "career person". In fact I wish I could afford to step down a rung!

Yes, @Pollipops1 . Anyone who doesn't see their children, for any any of the reasons cited. Why have them?

You're basically moaning about the school you chose not having wraparound.

This isn't a national problem. Many schools offer it. Unfortunately the area you live in can't support it for one reason or another.

If you have no family support in the area, move to an area with wraparound.

*Because my question is really - if you want to be a career person, that is great and lovely and wonderful - be a career person- but why have children who you won't see? What are you actually having them for?

My friend is a SAHM, her dc attend private school and are away longer than mine due to school bus journey. Should she not have had dc?

Plenty of women have always worked and whilst my grandma didn’t she had 7 dc, no washing machine, dishwasher, freezer, etc so she was spending most of her time doing chores whilst my parent & their siblings were left to it.

So all teachers would now need an extra hours care at both ends of the day for their children, are you volunteering op?

My school tried to start a breakfast club last year-they advertised three times for staff. Nobody wanted to work 7am-8.45 term time for minimum wage.

Its ok, in my revised business plan, I am going to propose mass building of huge children's homes and charge absolutely eye watering sums so the child can live in the children's homes year round including bank holidays from 9 months to 18 years of age. I know it will be heavily supported by some big businesses and the government as it completely gets rid of the need to offer flexible hours and allow employees go part time. Everyone will have no reason not to go in the office and so thereby solving the "WFH" crisis. The housing crisis will be solved as no-one will need more than one bedroom so we can build mega high rise 1 bedroom flats. No more nice 4 bed detached in the country because your children need bedrooms, nope your child can go live in my mega boarding house. I might even be able to get some 30 funded hours funding scheme for working parents as well...

Because most people working long, antisocial hours, hence requiring care beyond school hours aren’t ‘career people’. They are people in lower paid service jobs without the luxury of flexibility or working from home. They aren’t working to better themselves or to pay for 3 holidays a year. They are working to keep food on the table and clothes on their backs. I’m wondering - do these people not deserve kids too?