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To think I had every right to be in the right hand lane when driving the speed limit on a dual carriage way

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P3kingDuck · 24/05/2024 19:55

Dh thinks not.

So I’ve had to do a speed awareness course a while ago so do my best to keep to speed limits at all times.

Driving home on a curving dual carriage way on a slight tilt. 50 limit signs every few yards and a speed camera sign. The lane on the right turns into a fly over which I needed to keep on. So I was in the right hand lane driving at 50. A car came right up to my bumper and kept flashing. I stayed in the lane and pointed at the signs. He kept flashing then overtook me in a dramatic fashion, zoomed off( so breaking the speed limit) then slowed down so ended up driving not that faster than me but still over the limit.

Dh said I should have pulled over. I don’t understand why. Nobody on that road should be doing over 50 so what would be the benefit of me pulling over if I’m doing 50?

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Zodfa · 25/05/2024 11:17

spannered · 25/05/2024 10:46

"Unfortunately there are millions of tossers on the road who thinks they can bully sensible law abiding drivers. Sounds like a lot of them are on Mumsnet."

It's exactly this attitude which leads to road rage incidents! Instead of thinking "oh there's an aggressive asshole driving dangerously close to me, perhaps I should safely manoeuvre away from the hazard" you think "I'm a sensible law abiding driver and I will not be bullied! I will continue to place myself in danger out of principle" 🙄

Perhaps it's your kind of attitude that leads to so many people continuing to drive badly. After all nobody ever tries to stop them! The cowardly "nothing to do with me" approach that is so prevalent in our society makes it a lot easier for bullies and lawbreakers to get away with it.

Canacama · 25/05/2024 10:59

Fatnold · 25/05/2024 10:54

What is dangerous about it? She was driving sensibly, male twat wasn't. He was the one in danger.

OP has changed her story more than once as the thread went on, but neither was driving sensibly.
Lane hogging can be unsafe and disrupts the flow of traffic. Tailgating is obviously very dangerous. I would say deliberately blocking a speeding tailgater is silly too - no it isn't your fault if someone does, but I pull over and let them go if I can. Why would I want them behind me, putting myself and passengers at risk if I can move out of the way?
This was also taught to me on an advanced driving course - if someone is tailgating, don't block them or speed to get away, pull over when safe, or if approaching a roundabout, for example, circle it then take your exit to allow them to get ahead and yourself out of danger.

spannered · 25/05/2024 10:58

@Fatnold odd that you think people driving dangerously are only a danger to themselves and not the vehicles they are very close to 🤔

fromthegecko · 25/05/2024 10:55

EatTheWehrmm · 25/05/2024 10:23

Yes we do, someone previously used maths to calculate it using the OP's statements of distance to the junction.

Also if the other driver did it after tailgating her for a short distance like the OP stated. Then anyone else would have been able to do the same. Why would one driver manage the maneuver, but another driver in the exact same conditions not?

The 'maths' doesn't tell us anything about the other traffic at all.

Why would one driver manage the maneuver, but another driver in the exact same conditions not?

Maybe because the 'one driver' is willing to speed, and cut people up, in order to manage the manœuver, but the 'another driver' isn't?

Also, tailgater only has to pull back into right lane in front of sedately driving OP. OP would have to pull in front of the (unknown) speed merchants barrelling along in tailgater's wake.

Fatnold · 25/05/2024 10:54

spannered · 25/05/2024 10:52

@Everanewbie that's your prerogative, but you have to accept that if you continue to place yourself in a dangerous situation when you could remove yourself, you are contributing to it.

Obviously if you're 100 yards away from your exit it might not be safe to start quickly changing lanes (traffic dependant), but when you're a mile away, it really shouldn't be difficult.

What is dangerous about it? She was driving sensibly, male twat wasn't. He was the one in danger.

Fatnold · 25/05/2024 10:53

spannered · 25/05/2024 10:46

"Unfortunately there are millions of tossers on the road who thinks they can bully sensible law abiding drivers. Sounds like a lot of them are on Mumsnet."

It's exactly this attitude which leads to road rage incidents! Instead of thinking "oh there's an aggressive asshole driving dangerously close to me, perhaps I should safely manoeuvre away from the hazard" you think "I'm a sensible law abiding driver and I will not be bullied! I will continue to place myself in danger out of principle" 🙄

I think you've just confirmed my theory 🤣

spannered · 25/05/2024 10:52

@Everanewbie that's your prerogative, but you have to accept that if you continue to place yourself in a dangerous situation when you could remove yourself, you are contributing to it.

Obviously if you're 100 yards away from your exit it might not be safe to start quickly changing lanes (traffic dependant), but when you're a mile away, it really shouldn't be difficult.

Everanewbie · 25/05/2024 10:49

spannered · 25/05/2024 10:46

"Unfortunately there are millions of tossers on the road who thinks they can bully sensible law abiding drivers. Sounds like a lot of them are on Mumsnet."

It's exactly this attitude which leads to road rage incidents! Instead of thinking "oh there's an aggressive asshole driving dangerously close to me, perhaps I should safely manoeuvre away from the hazard" you think "I'm a sensible law abiding driver and I will not be bullied! I will continue to place myself in danger out of principle" 🙄

I agree, but not at the expense of missing my turning. If my lane diverged anywhere between 100 yards and a mile I’d hold my ground.

spannered · 25/05/2024 10:46

"Unfortunately there are millions of tossers on the road who thinks they can bully sensible law abiding drivers. Sounds like a lot of them are on Mumsnet."

It's exactly this attitude which leads to road rage incidents! Instead of thinking "oh there's an aggressive asshole driving dangerously close to me, perhaps I should safely manoeuvre away from the hazard" you think "I'm a sensible law abiding driver and I will not be bullied! I will continue to place myself in danger out of principle" 🙄

SeriaMau · 25/05/2024 10:42

P3kingDuck · 24/05/2024 20:01

He zoomed off then slowed down and got off barely seconds before me. Definitely wasn’t an emergency. Would have obviously pulled over if he had had a proper flashing light. It was just headlights.

I once left a work laptop in my friends car. Chased after her when I remembered. Exceeded the speed limit slightly on numerous hopefully safe occasions. I would have been really pissed off to meet you on the road. Not saying I was in the right but your behaviour can really annoy other drivers, and so cause safety issues.

Fatnold · 25/05/2024 10:33

P3kingDuck · 24/05/2024 19:55

Dh thinks not.

So I’ve had to do a speed awareness course a while ago so do my best to keep to speed limits at all times.

Driving home on a curving dual carriage way on a slight tilt. 50 limit signs every few yards and a speed camera sign. The lane on the right turns into a fly over which I needed to keep on. So I was in the right hand lane driving at 50. A car came right up to my bumper and kept flashing. I stayed in the lane and pointed at the signs. He kept flashing then overtook me in a dramatic fashion, zoomed off( so breaking the speed limit) then slowed down so ended up driving not that faster than me but still over the limit.

Dh said I should have pulled over. I don’t understand why. Nobody on that road should be doing over 50 so what would be the benefit of me pulling over if I’m doing 50?

I agree with you OP. You were 100% right to stay in the right hand lane.

Unfortunately there are millions of tossers on the road who thinks they can bully sensible law abiding drivers. Sounds like a lot of them are on Mumsnet.

TerrysCIockworkOrange · 25/05/2024 10:32

If you had already seen/passed road signage that indicated that the right hand lane would be splitting off, you were absolutely entitled to be in that lane and Mr Speedy Gonzalez was in the wrong.

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/05/2024 10:24

You were wrong.

EatTheWehrmm · 25/05/2024 10:23

fromthegecko · 25/05/2024 09:56

If the other driver had the time to undertake and pull back in, you had time to do the same.

We just don't know whether she would have been able to do this without speeding up or cutting up someone in the left hand lane.

And we don't know whether the tailgater was being closely followed by nose-to-tail traffic that would have stopped her from rejoining the right hand lane and caused her to miss her junction.

Yes we do, someone previously used maths to calculate it using the OP's statements of distance to the junction.

Also if the other driver did it after tailgating her for a short distance like the OP stated. Then anyone else would have been able to do the same. Why would one driver manage the maneuver, but another driver in the exact same conditions not?

Bromptotoo · 25/05/2024 10:22

How far from the point where the offside lane diverged did this occur?

Topofthemountain · 25/05/2024 10:19

Highway Code is keep left unless overtaking, so why were you in the outer lane in the first place.

Because it is a filter lane and she needed to be there to be able to safely exit. It may well have been earlier then necessary, but it is not correct to say that one can only be in that lane to overtake.

Bringbackthebeaver · 25/05/2024 10:14

It's OK to be in the right lane if you have to be there to turn off soon because the road is splitting.

His behaviour was terrible - tailgating and flashing etc is not OK.

You should have moved over though, just from a safety perspective. If someone is behaving like that then they are a hazard and you need of get out of the way.

CrotchetyQuaver · 25/05/2024 10:10

Highway Code is keep left unless overtaking, so why were you in the outer lane in the first place.
Your DH is correct
Not your place to dictate the speed others travel at/block them overtaking you just because you're travelling at the speed limit for that stretch of road

Oriunda · 25/05/2024 10:02

Sirzy · 24/05/2024 20:29

Also unless you are driving a vehicle with. Properly calibrated speedometer then when it shows 50 on your display you actually be travelling at less than 50.

Yep. Loads of speedometers where I live. My car shows 3km/h over the actual registered speed. So if the limit is 50, I can drive at 53 and adhere to the limit.

Topofthemountain · 25/05/2024 10:00

In this situation, yes the OP, (possibly depending on traffic conditions), should have moved over to let twat driver past. However it is wrong for posters to categorically be stating that no-one should ever be in that lane unless overtaking.

TellMeWhoTheVillainsAre · 25/05/2024 09:58

P3kingDuck · 24/05/2024 20:03

Loads of people sit in that lane because it’s a feeder lane over a road. Why would you need to overtake of the speed limit us being kept to?

Because some people speed. You said he overtook and slightly slowed down but was still going over the limit. So he wanted to drive faster than you were driving, so he wanted to pass you out in order to do that.

fromthegecko · 25/05/2024 09:56

EatTheWehrmm · 25/05/2024 09:38

PP has used maths to prove the OP's statements around distance to the junction incorrect. There was no need for the OP to be hogging the right lane and blocking others from overtaking. The other driver speeding is irrelevant and absolutely nothing to do with the OP. You don't get to police other drivers.

If the other driver had the time to undertake and pull back in, you had time to do the same.

OP, you should have moved over to let the speeding driver past. Your DH was correct and the majority here agree that you are incorrect. Take it as a lesson and hopefully this will help you to be more situationally aware when driving.

If the other driver had the time to undertake and pull back in, you had time to do the same.

We just don't know whether she would have been able to do this without speeding up or cutting up someone in the left hand lane.

And we don't know whether the tailgater was being closely followed by nose-to-tail traffic that would have stopped her from rejoining the right hand lane and caused her to miss her junction.

BeckersBromley · 25/05/2024 09:56

GiveMeCoffeeandTV · 25/05/2024 09:25

I know a road system exactly like this - leaving the A1 to join the very bottom of the M1. You need to be in the right lane of three to join the M1.

You do need to get over in good time to avoid crossing multiple lanes of busy traffic. Everyone who knows the road, does this. They get over to the right lane with around a mile to go.

I understand OP and think you did the right thing, unless the whole rest of the road was clear, which would have enabled you to join the right lane at the last minute.

This absolutely.

3luckystars · 25/05/2024 09:47

You are 100% wrong.

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