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To think I had every right to be in the right hand lane when driving the speed limit on a dual carriage way

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P3kingDuck · 24/05/2024 19:55

Dh thinks not.

So I’ve had to do a speed awareness course a while ago so do my best to keep to speed limits at all times.

Driving home on a curving dual carriage way on a slight tilt. 50 limit signs every few yards and a speed camera sign. The lane on the right turns into a fly over which I needed to keep on. So I was in the right hand lane driving at 50. A car came right up to my bumper and kept flashing. I stayed in the lane and pointed at the signs. He kept flashing then overtook me in a dramatic fashion, zoomed off( so breaking the speed limit) then slowed down so ended up driving not that faster than me but still over the limit.

Dh said I should have pulled over. I don’t understand why. Nobody on that road should be doing over 50 so what would be the benefit of me pulling over if I’m doing 50?

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highlo · 24/05/2024 21:42

So you've been on a speed awareness course, presumably for speeding yourself, yet have now taken it upon yourself to police the speed limit and criticise anyone breaking it?

helpfulperson · 24/05/2024 21:42

I think what my motorbike instructor used to say is also applicable here. 'there is no point in being right if you are also dead'. Whatever the rights or wrongs of you being where you were staying there in the face of an aggressive flashing driver is not a good idea.

Topofthemountain · 24/05/2024 21:41

Jo7890123 · 24/05/2024 21:38

It's not up to you to decide on this, the highway code says right hand lane is for overtaking, and tells you to get out of it as soon as you've done that; you have to learn about it to pass your test, then obey it if u want to drive on uk roads:
https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/multi-lane-carriageways.html#:~:text=A%20dual%20carriageway%20is%20a,reservation%20to%20separate%20the%20carriageways.&text=On%20a%20two%2Dlane%20dual,is%20safe%20to%20do%20so.

And maybe read that in conjunction with point 266 that I posted above.

We don't know how far away the OP was from the junction, but it really isn't as simple as saying she was absolutely definitely in the wrong.

Everanewbie · 24/05/2024 21:38

@Arlanymor possibly. But as we weren’t there I think we need to give op the benefit of the doubt. She’s clearly annoyed at the speeding thing, and I think most other than OP agree policing speed is wrong. But if there are signs telling you to get in lane, I don’t think OP is wrong to ignore our poor man’s Lewis Hamilton.

Wotcher · 24/05/2024 21:38

Interesting that you’re so keen on doing the speed limit, but less keen on following the Highway Code…. which is just as, if not more, important.

Nesbi · 24/05/2024 21:37

Arlanymor · 24/05/2024 21:29

How is stepping into a mugging remotely similar to hogging the outside lane? I was putting your ridiculous point back to you.

You’re arguing one point of the Highway Code against another - speeding is against the code, but so is sitting in the outside lane when not overtaking. So why are YOU saying that one bit of the Highway Code is more important than another? Because that is literally what you are doing.

Actually there is a while conversation to be had about things like civil disobedience, but given you are struggling with the Highway Code right now that’s probably a thread for another day…

Well to be honest I’m playing devil’s advocate against the certainty of a lot of poster’s on here that the right to exceed the speed limit should trump all else!

How can you be hogging a lane when it would break the law for the person behind you to go faster? You - behind me - would already also be going as fast as you are permitted to go!

Why should anyone feel in any way obliged to facilitate lawbreaking by moving over, they would be effectively helping you break the law.

There is a strong sense that for some people the seed limit doesn’t really count as a law. I wonder how many of these same people get on their high horses when other laws are broken that they do think are important?

I suspect there is a lot of hypocrisy when it comes down to what laws are apparently ok to break and which aren’t.

Couldyounot · 24/05/2024 21:36

Irrespective of whether the other driver should have been speeding or not, perhaps a better question for the OP is: whatever the guy's problem was, why did you decide to be part of it?

Arlanymor · 24/05/2024 21:35

Topofthemountain · 24/05/2024 21:32

Seeing that everyone is so happy to quote the Highway Code, so will I (in the Motorway section, but I guess would also apply to main dual carriageways where the same happens)

266
Approaching a junction. Look well ahead for signals, signs and road markings. Direction signs may be placed over the road. If you need to, you should change lanes well ahead of a junction. At some junctions, a lane may lead directly off the road. Only get in that lane if you wish to go in the direction indicated by signs or road markings.

I guess the debate is around what is meant by 'well ahead of a junction' but if the OP was less than a mile I would argue that this meets that standard.

At that speed there is a big difference between a mile and half a mile. Half a mile is the bare minimum surely? But road signage has only come into it as the argument has gone on… if it was mentioned at the beginning it could have saved a lot of strife. Also thinking that as her DH said she should have moved across she would have told him the story in more detail and he probably knows the road well and thinks she was sitting in the lane far too early…

Everanewbie · 24/05/2024 21:35

@Topofthemountain well said. It’s like these people have never seen a dual carriageway split. If keep left unless overtaking was absolute, how the f are you supposed to take the exit in the right?

Everanewbie · 24/05/2024 21:32

Samlewis96 · 24/05/2024 20:57

You should be in left lane unless overtaking. Simple as

Snore. Did you read the OP? Dual carriageway split in two. Right lane goes to her destination. Left lane doesn’t. Time to this split is the question. I take OP at face value that it was less than a mile. She didn’t do anything wrong.

Arlanymor · 24/05/2024 21:32

LivelyBlake · 24/05/2024 21:29

Exactly, that is what I do. And sometimes you have to move to the right which is a faster lane and there are faster cars around you. Which is exactly what the OP did.

Do we know that? She said it was less than a mile. Was it less than half a mile? What did the road markers say apart from 50? That’s not a directional sign.

Topofthemountain · 24/05/2024 21:32

Seeing that everyone is so happy to quote the Highway Code, so will I (in the Motorway section, but I guess would also apply to main dual carriageways where the same happens)

266
Approaching a junction. Look well ahead for signals, signs and road markings. Direction signs may be placed over the road. If you need to, you should change lanes well ahead of a junction. At some junctions, a lane may lead directly off the road. Only get in that lane if you wish to go in the direction indicated by signs or road markings.

I guess the debate is around what is meant by 'well ahead of a junction' but if the OP was less than a mile I would argue that this meets that standard.

DeadbeatYoda · 24/05/2024 21:29

The fact is you had no idea why that driver was speeding. Yes, he was most likely going to just be some aggressive dickhead but you had no way of knowing that. If a driver is clearly driving faster than you then do the grown up thing and let them pass when it is safe to do so. Passive aggressive driving is pointless. It's safer for you if you just let them pass too.

LivelyBlake · 24/05/2024 21:29

Arlanymor · 24/05/2024 21:24

You get over when the road signs indicate to do so, that’s what they are there for. Side lanes you have a marker count down and split lines there are overheads with designated mile markers, so you get over when there is less than half a mile to go. I do wonder why people ask these questions sometimes, it’s all in the Highway Code.

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Exactly, that is what I do. And sometimes you have to move to the right which is a faster lane and there are faster cars around you. Which is exactly what the OP did.

Arlanymor · 24/05/2024 21:29

Nesbi · 24/05/2024 21:26

How is flying to Columbia remotely similar to playing a part in preventing lawbreaking that is happening in your presence?

What do you think is so special about the law against speeding that people should be allowed to do it with no interference from society - given that the purpose of the law is to protect society?

What other laws should people be allowed to break where you think it is unreasonable for the public to interfere? I’m wondering if there is a list?

How is stepping into a mugging remotely similar to hogging the outside lane? I was putting your ridiculous point back to you.

You’re arguing one point of the Highway Code against another - speeding is against the code, but so is sitting in the outside lane when not overtaking. So why are YOU saying that one bit of the Highway Code is more important than another? Because that is literally what you are doing.

Actually there is a while conversation to be had about things like civil disobedience, but given you are struggling with the Highway Code right now that’s probably a thread for another day…

rainfordays · 24/05/2024 21:27

YANBU, you shouldn't have moved over as you were in the correct lane for your turning and driving at an apprpriate speed. The other driver was an impatient arsehole. I would not have moved over in that instance either. I don't get why everyone's piling on and telling you to respect someone who wants to drive like an irresponsible moron, instead of agreeing that the other driver was an unsafe hazard and needs to learn some patience and to drive safely and respectfully.

LivelyBlake · 24/05/2024 21:27

sleepyscientist · 24/05/2024 21:22

Don't drive so slow then! You won't get done at less than 10%+2, driving to slow is equally a hazard as to fast (which isn't necessarily the speed limit in either case). Your speedo also likely under reads!

I do the speed limit all the time - so 70 in motorways unless indicated otherwise. I'm not going to do 90 just because there is a faster car behind me for the 30 seconds or so I need to be in the fast lane to take a turn off.

Nesbi · 24/05/2024 21:26

Arlanymor · 24/05/2024 21:07

No, it’s the individual’s job firstly and the police’s job secondly. Plus what a daft comparison, I’ve stepped in to protect people from being attacked before, but that’s not the same as being a lane hog is it. Do you regularly fly to Columbia to bust drug barons? Or to Africa to stop ivory poaching? If not, why not, takes a village doesn’t it? Whataboutery at its finest.

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How is flying to Columbia remotely similar to playing a part in preventing lawbreaking that is happening in your presence?

What do you think is so special about the law against speeding that people should be allowed to do it with no interference from society - given that the purpose of the law is to protect society?

What other laws should people be allowed to break where you think it is unreasonable for the public to interfere? I’m wondering if there is a list?

Arlanymor · 24/05/2024 21:24

LivelyBlake · 24/05/2024 21:09

I think people are missing the point that the OP was in that lane because she needed to take an exit.

What do people do when a 4 lane motorway splits in 2? I always move to the lane I need regardless of whether there are faster cars behind. And I always drive right on the speed limit.

You get over when the road signs indicate to do so, that’s what they are there for. Side lanes you have a marker count down and split lines there are overheads with designated mile markers, so you get over when there is less than half a mile to go. I do wonder why people ask these questions sometimes, it’s all in the Highway Code.

TammyJones · 24/05/2024 21:23

Edenmum2 · 24/05/2024 21:03

Why are you even asking if you are not listening to what every single person is telling you?

Op: was I in the wrong lane ?
Everyone on MN: Yes
Op: no I wasn't

SneezedToothOut · 24/05/2024 21:23

People here get into the right hand lane 2 miles before they’re going to turn right then sit at 40 in a 60 holding everyone up

I upload the dashcam footage of every one in hope of them getting their licence taken off them.

sleepyscientist · 24/05/2024 21:22

LivelyBlake · 24/05/2024 21:02

I'm with you OP.

I am not a fast driver, I like to get in the right lane for a turn off in plenty of time, and I do the speed limit. I don't care if people behind me are faster - I need to be in that lane for a turn off and I don't see why I should change lanes twice just to let someone get past.

Don't drive so slow then! You won't get done at less than 10%+2, driving to slow is equally a hazard as to fast (which isn't necessarily the speed limit in either case). Your speedo also likely under reads!

TammyJones · 24/05/2024 21:22

LivelyBlake · 24/05/2024 21:02

I'm with you OP.

I am not a fast driver, I like to get in the right lane for a turn off in plenty of time, and I do the speed limit. I don't care if people behind me are faster - I need to be in that lane for a turn off and I don't see why I should change lanes twice just to let someone get past.

There is always the danger that someone will over take you on the left.
(Undertakers need a undertaker)

JudgeJ · 24/05/2024 21:21

NashvilleQueen · 24/05/2024 19:59

It's not your job to police others. Unless you are overtaking stay left.

Doing a speed awareness course is a bit like people who stop smoking, they become evangelistic about their previous sins and totally boring too and I speak as someone married to one who did both!