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To think I had every right to be in the right hand lane when driving the speed limit on a dual carriage way

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P3kingDuck · 24/05/2024 19:55

Dh thinks not.

So I’ve had to do a speed awareness course a while ago so do my best to keep to speed limits at all times.

Driving home on a curving dual carriage way on a slight tilt. 50 limit signs every few yards and a speed camera sign. The lane on the right turns into a fly over which I needed to keep on. So I was in the right hand lane driving at 50. A car came right up to my bumper and kept flashing. I stayed in the lane and pointed at the signs. He kept flashing then overtook me in a dramatic fashion, zoomed off( so breaking the speed limit) then slowed down so ended up driving not that faster than me but still over the limit.

Dh said I should have pulled over. I don’t understand why. Nobody on that road should be doing over 50 so what would be the benefit of me pulling over if I’m doing 50?

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Choochoo21 · 24/05/2024 23:05

I drive on a dual carriageway every day and I need to get into the right hand lane to pull into a slip road to go home.

You cannot pull into the slip road going at maximum speed because it’s just too fast and so you do have to go into the right hand lane in plenty of time and then slow down before the exit approaches.

It seems silly as it’s the fast lane but everyone does the same thing and most drivers are aware of the upcoming turning.

Sometimes someone who isn’t from the area behaves like the car in your OP did and acts like a twat but I know I’m in the right.

You didn’t do anything wrong because you were going the speed limit and you were turning off.

Moveoverdarlin · 24/05/2024 22:58

P3kingDuck · 24/05/2024 19:58

But why did anybody need to overtake if I was doing the speed limit? We would both be getting off at the same place.

Have you never driven on a UK motorway? The speed limit is 70mph. But 90 percent of people will go over the speed limit at points in their journey. If you were doing 70 in the fast lane of the motorway and someone comes up behind you flashing and doing 80, as long as it’s safe to do so, you move out of the way.

PriOn1 · 24/05/2024 22:47

P3kingDuck · 24/05/2024 20:55

But then he just sat in front of me.

Because he was being an aggressive prick and trying to intimidate you.

Still doesn’t mean you were in the right.

You keep going on about how nobody should be passing you as you were driving at 50. Most speedometers are not 100% accurate and yours is no exception. His speed and whether he is breaking the law is irrelevant to you in this situation. Unless you were very close to the junction (often the road markings will be an indictator) then you should be in the outside lane to allow others to pass, if they want to.

Both of you were ignoring the rules, so you judging him is ironic.

Everanewbie · 24/05/2024 22:43

@Arlanymor respectfully, I disagree. The highway codes tells you to get in lane at the earliest opportunity. At that point it stops being a driving lane/overtake lane situation. The first sign or road marking would be that point. Undertaking or overtaking only takes 60 metres or so, especially if op is travelling at 50 and Lewis Hamilton is doing 80.

Arlanymor · 24/05/2024 22:36

Everanewbie · 24/05/2024 21:38

@Arlanymor possibly. But as we weren’t there I think we need to give op the benefit of the doubt. She’s clearly annoyed at the speeding thing, and I think most other than OP agree policing speed is wrong. But if there are signs telling you to get in lane, I don’t think OP is wrong to ignore our poor man’s Lewis Hamilton.

But those signs tell you how far away the turn off/moving over is. You don’t do it at the first sign, they are way markers. You do it at the last. We weren’t there, but those told the story to her DH and he said she was in the wrong so I guess he knows the road well enough himself. You get in line at the correct way marker… there are usually at least three before it becomes imminent. But this is a red herring because she was arguing the toss of sitting in a lane that is used for overtaking and gesturing at 50mph signs… if he had time to undertake and then apparently ‘sit right in front’ of her then plenty of time for her to move across and back again at the appropriate time.

WestminsterCrimes · 24/05/2024 22:33

You weren't being unreasonable because you were near a junction where you had to be in the right hand lane. This happens on a stretch of the M25 I drive on and several times I've had aggressive and dangerous driving around me when I get into position and drive at the speed limit (I do it after the sign saying to get in lane for the exit on the right). Once I had this in extremely poor visibility In heavy rain with a massive lorry on my left and literally nowhere to go. I was already going far faster than I felt was safe and couldn't have moved over except into the lorry, and the road was about to split. The car behind was right on my tail flashing and flashing. The lorry was sending spray all over my windscreen so badly I couldn't see anything ahead at all. So stressful.

PrincessTeaSet · 24/05/2024 22:32

The other driver was clearly in the wrong, behaving aggressively and speeding.
The OP could have been in the wrong too, it depends how far from the junction, but she wasn't actually causing any danger and she wasn't breaking the law. The other driver should have waited behind for the few seconds until the junction.

StampOnTheGround · 24/05/2024 22:31

If I had a turn off where I needed to be in the right lane - I'm not going to move over for someone speeding to have to quickly move back out again.

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Everanewbie · 24/05/2024 22:27

BitOutOfPractice · 24/05/2024 22:20

But why did yoy need to be in the right hand lane if you weren’t overtaking?

Ffs!! The dual carriageway was splitting. Right lane took her to her destination. Left lane went somewhere else. The debate is at what point do you get in lane.

Itloggedmeoutagain · 24/05/2024 22:23

If it was way less than a mile for a start it would have been mentioned in the OP. For another he wouldn't have had the time and space to come up behind you, stay there long enough for you to point out the signs and then undertake you because is what he must have done.
It wasn't less than a mile.
There was space in the left hand lane, he used it. And no I'm not saying he should have I'm merely saying the space was there so you should have used it.

FatAndFiftySomething · 24/05/2024 22:22

Two things - you say you kept in the right hand lane, he then passed you on the left hand lane then moved in front of you. If he had space for that, you had space to move over, let him pass, and change lanes ready for the road split.

And if you’re so keen to obey the rules and keep to the speed limit, why aren’t you equally as keen to obey the rules and keep to the left unless overtaking?

Your DH was correct. You were wrong.

BitOutOfPractice · 24/05/2024 22:20

P3kingDuck · 24/05/2024 19:58

But why did anybody need to overtake if I was doing the speed limit? We would both be getting off at the same place.

But why did yoy need to be in the right hand lane if you weren’t overtaking?

Woozerbug · 24/05/2024 22:19

@Topofthemountain the arsehole driver had time to undertake and move back in front with no issues so she had time to do that in reverse.

She has also clearly stated she did not feel she should move, not that she felt she couldn’t

Hateam · 24/05/2024 22:17

You did nothing wrong.

However, you're safer if the dickhead is in front of you.

CoalTit · 24/05/2024 22:16

Edenmum2 · 24/05/2024 21:03

Why are you even asking if you are not listening to what every single person is telling you?

OP is right and almost everyone else is wrong, including OP's husband.
The highway code in my country is clear that overtaking is not an excuse to go over the speed limit, and I very much doubt that it's different in the UK.
Other people wanting to drive over the speed limit is not a reason to leave it dangerously late to get into the lane you need to turn off.

FOJN · 24/05/2024 22:13

P3kingDuck · 24/05/2024 20:01

He zoomed off then slowed down and got off barely seconds before me. Definitely wasn’t an emergency. Would have obviously pulled over if he had had a proper flashing light. It was just headlights.

Whatever he was doing is up to him. You are responsible for sticking to the speed limit in your car, not obstructing a lane to prevent other people speeding. The points will go on his license not yours.

You're free to hold any opinion you like on his driving.

Mnk711 · 24/05/2024 22:04

OP not sure why you're still trying to argue. A clear majority says YABU. You should have been in the left lane unless you were very close to the road splitting. By your description it sounds like you weren't that close. If it was an extremely busy road I would move over early but if it wasn't then you should leave it until you have a reasonable amount of time to make the manoeuvre but then you are on the junction (e.g. if you need 10 secs to make the manoeuvre allow yourself 30 seconds).

What the other driver did was stupid and dangerous but you made it worse by not moving over. People refusing to give way to other people is a major cause of accidents. You were obviously annoyed by him and therefore stubbornly refused to pull over. Both you and the other driver were being unreasonable.

Topofthemountain · 24/05/2024 22:03

Woozerbug · 24/05/2024 21:56

You are completely in the wrong and if you feel like you weren’t you need more than a speed awareness course, you need some proper driving lessons.

Right hand lane is ONLY for overtaking. By ignoring that YOU caused a dangerous situation.

Honestly I feel like a broken record - we do not know that the OP was "completely in the wrong"

She needed to be in that lane, and it was correct that she was in that lane as she needed to leave at the junction. The only debate should be if it met the criteria of "well ahead of the junction" (or indeed what that actually means)

upupandawa · 24/05/2024 21:59

Obviously he shouldn't have been speeding. Everyone agrees with that, but it isn't your job to make sure anyone keeps to the limit.
Sounds like he was an aggressive and reckless driver, you should have just moved over instead of adding fuel to the fire by pointing at the sign and not moving.

Woozerbug · 24/05/2024 21:56

You are completely in the wrong and if you feel like you weren’t you need more than a speed awareness course, you need some proper driving lessons.

Right hand lane is ONLY for overtaking. By ignoring that YOU caused a dangerous situation.

spannered · 24/05/2024 21:52

Forget the various rights and wrongs of it, why would you want to ensure that a dangerous driver stays very close to you?

Surely the safest thing for anyone when you're driving is to safely manoeuvre out of the way of a speeding and aggressive driver? Why would you continue to place yourself in danger in order to make a point? Shows a bizarre lack of survival instinct when the alternative is to move over, and then get back into your lane to filter off.

Her husband probably wanted her to move over because he realised that the driver behind her would either continue to be dangerously close, or undertake.

jigglywigglyhungryhippo · 24/05/2024 21:47

Itsmyshadow · 24/05/2024 20:01

Do you also sit in the middle lane on a motorway when the left lane is empty “because I am doing 70”?

You know the OP does this!

Canacama · 24/05/2024 21:47

Everanewbie · 24/05/2024 21:32

Snore. Did you read the OP? Dual carriageway split in two. Right lane goes to her destination. Left lane doesn’t. Time to this split is the question. I take OP at face value that it was less than a mile. She didn’t do anything wrong.

Which post? Her version of events isn't consistent as a pp pointed out.

LivelyBlake · 24/05/2024 21:47

There are other reasons that justify being on the right hand lane other than for overtaking, for example if that lane leads to an exit or turn off that you need to take.