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advicepleaseandpfm · 24/05/2024 11:50

Neighbour is in his early 70s - wife lives with him and they have a grown up son (he is married but wife lives in Asia and has their three children there). We knew they were a bit brusque when we moved in but we always got on with them and rubbed along - we tried to. I do remember one occasion when we had just moved in and someone fell over on the path outside their house and was bleeding, I saw it went out and helped them.
These neighbours sat in their lounge watching me while I called an ambulance - I was actually a bit upset because they are able bodied and have children and grandchildren, but their call if they don't want to help. I thought 'what type of neighbourhood are we in' - during lockdown they broke most of the social distancing rules and had relatives in the house. So I knew then maybe they weren't our cup of tea and in fact one of their grandchildren stayed and he was only 7 and was out in the local park all day and tried to set fire to some of the playground equipment and also wrote in permanent pen on the swing and slides.
Anyway that's the background and he did also say when we moved in 'it's a quiet neighbourhood, we make the noise around here'.
So we got a dog three years ago.
The neighbour started complaining about our dog barking, our dog is vocal but and does bark, but only for a few minutes and she goes to bed when we do. It can be annoying but where we live there are much noisier and more persistent dogs barking! And if she does bark in the night it's because we have foxes that scream in the park near us. I'm woken by them first. We play music to make sure she can't hear in.
Neighbour starts banging on the wall, telling us to shut up our dog. Even when its just a few minutes. On one occasion they set off fireworks in their garden then when our dog barked they banged on the wall. It gets really nasty where he's threatening to kill the dog and us. Swearing in front of our daughter and calling us awful names.

We ended up reporting him to the police. He then reports us to the council for noise nuisance - he sends a diary to the council and the officer calls us to tell us that the noise the dog makes is not unreasonable and because it's not all hours everything is fine. He'd put 2pm barking for a minute on the diary.

These neighbours do play loud music and they do have loud music every afternoon. I don't mind this - but the previous owner of our house was an elderly lady so maybe he's not happy about having a family of five here.

Anyway it gets to the stage where a few weeks we slam a door (actually our teenager slammed it) and we have the neighbour's son screaming at me and my husband out of the back window. I end up writing a letter and posting it through their door - saying we love our neighbours we don't want anything nasty to happen and I also said if we had to move - the neighbour is shouting at us to move - then is no guaranteed it won't be a younger noisier family who might make more noise.

Apparently that was seen a 'threat' and the son threatens to beat up me and my husband! We report to them to the police who are now looking at prosecuting. while this has gone on (for nearly two years) the neighbour has followed me down and up the street and shouted at me behind my back. I'm at least a foot shorter than him and he does it when no-one is around.

He's also done some other weird things I confronted him a few weeks ago he'd been drinking and he admitted that the dogs didn't make that much noise and his wife was ill so she was in pain and that kept him awake most nights. He said his grown up son had to put electrical wires up and needed to go to bed at 8am and get up at 6am. He said he'd been living here 48 years and had bought his house from the council so he should stay and we should move - I pointed out I have a primary and secondary school child.
For the record I start work at 6.30am from home for my job and I also have chatted to neighbours who tell me he's known for shouting 'bitch' out the window at women he doesn't like.
This morning (we are waiting for the police to update us) he tells my husband we are selfish scum and only think of ourselves (he knows both DH do volunteering and he knows what job I do) and that all our neighbours hate us and we need to move. Our dog did bark at 11pm last night - as we were out at a very rare fund raising event. We don't hold parties and now don't any family or friends round as we are scared of making noise. We want to move and rent out our house and live with our family nearby - and then move when my daughters finish school (one will be doing exams next year). How can we resolve this, he wants us to move - but we can't. Should we go round to our neighbours and see what we can do?

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YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 15:45

1HappyTraveller · 28/05/2024 15:34

How the hell did you come to that conclusion? 🤣
Seriously?!?! 🤷‍♀️

Barking dogs, music from both r properties and screaming fish wives - I agree it sounds horrific

1HappyTraveller · 28/05/2024 15:34

greenpolarbear · 28/05/2024 12:17

You both sound awful and I feel sorry for all your other neighbours. It must be hellish for them.

How the hell did you come to that conclusion? 🤣
Seriously?!?! 🤷‍♀️

advicepleaseandpfm · 28/05/2024 14:57

WhenTheMoonShines · 28/05/2024 14:35

You’re feeding into the drama by engaging with them. Surprised the police haven’t advised you to stop doing that tbh, it’s always their first bit of advice when getting involved in neighbour disputes. There’s nothing you can really do now you’ve got the police involved, you’ll need to declare the dispute if you sell up.

Edited

Actually we've decided to rent our house out and move abroad; something we had planned on doing but just not in the next five years. So I'm looking at all this as maybe a positive thing and thankfully we've had support from our neighbours.
Our other neighbours have told us they can't hear our dog and have said they get woken every night by the foxes in the woods near us. Their bedroom is closer to the woods though so that might be why.

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WhenTheMoonShines · 28/05/2024 14:35

You’re feeding into the drama by engaging with them. Surprised the police haven’t advised you to stop doing that tbh, it’s always their first bit of advice when getting involved in neighbour disputes. There’s nothing you can really do now you’ve got the police involved, you’ll need to declare the dispute if you sell up.

advicepleaseandpfm · 28/05/2024 14:15

greenpolarbear · 28/05/2024 12:17

You both sound awful and I feel sorry for all your other neighbours. It must be hellish for them.

Neighbour bought round a cake yesterday so yeah - we must be dreadful!!

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advicepleaseandpfm · 28/05/2024 14:14

Wesel85 · 28/05/2024 12:07

I don't personally see that the OP has done anything wrong, regardless if her dog barks that still dose not justify being intimidated or screamed abuse at no situation should call for that.

I would get some training for your dog so that people can stop using that as an excuse for why your neighbours are frankly unpleasant, I don't believe this will make a difference though as they will just find something else to moan about.

Unfortunately even if you didn't have a dog MN would still try to find an excuse for why this is your fault and not just because u have a**hole neighbours.

You could ignore them, but sometimes this backfires as it just amps them up more, no communication is a must as it seems that won't resolve anything.

Keep records of everything and look In to if moving is an option for you.

Thank you. We've been very vigilant with our dog's training. We even paid for a behavioural therapist - who told us there was nothing wrong. The whole thing has driven away all rationality.
We had a run in yesterday with them and I tried the grey stone technique- well a version of it. Neighbour starts ranting about things before we got the dogs. Weird stuff - our politics and our family (DH is related to a well known politician and we think neighbour has worked out who it is/was) it's not a divisive politician either - someone most people respected. Then he went on about a door slamming. One of our other neighbours has been round to offer support - not prompted just bought us a cake!

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greenpolarbear · 28/05/2024 12:17

You both sound awful and I feel sorry for all your other neighbours. It must be hellish for them.

Wesel85 · 28/05/2024 12:07

I don't personally see that the OP has done anything wrong, regardless if her dog barks that still dose not justify being intimidated or screamed abuse at no situation should call for that.

I would get some training for your dog so that people can stop using that as an excuse for why your neighbours are frankly unpleasant, I don't believe this will make a difference though as they will just find something else to moan about.

Unfortunately even if you didn't have a dog MN would still try to find an excuse for why this is your fault and not just because u have a**hole neighbours.

You could ignore them, but sometimes this backfires as it just amps them up more, no communication is a must as it seems that won't resolve anything.

Keep records of everything and look In to if moving is an option for you.

RishiFinallyDidTheRightThing · 28/05/2024 12:00

Your neighbours sound unpleasant, but if you want to regain the moral high ground, you need to sort out your noisy dog. Dogs can be trained not to bark without good reason, it just takes a bit of effort.

YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 11:45

advicepleaseandpfm · 24/05/2024 12:28

She doesn't bark during the night - it's quite rare - and I'm a light sleeper - so when they do I'll be the first to wake up. with the ambulance thing - I needed help - she needed to be supported and I also had to leave her to get some dressings from our house. I didn't want to leave her on her own - she was an elderly lady.

You may be the first to wake up but you’re not the only one - it’s your choice to have a dog but your neighbours are suffering because of your choice

YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 11:43

TBH OP you all sound like a bunch of chavs, screaming at each other through windows and forever banging around.

O can’t begin to express how horrific it is to live next to a dog that never stops barking. Even a minute can be unbearable. It’s even worse when the owners shrug and go ‘meh’. I have played music loudly before to drown out barking. It’s a nicer noise then constant taps or deep loud barks.

Who cares that they had people round in lockdown. The rules were ridiculous and I wish I had broken them rather than being a fraidy cat.

Also I think it’s fine they didn’t come out when someone fell. I wouldn’t either of someone was competently helping them. It would be FAR worse to stand uselessly gawping which is what a lot of people ‘trying to help’ end up doing.

Get your dogs barking sorted out.

Bestyearever2024 · 28/05/2024 11:20

You've scuppered yourself by making so many formal complaints. How will you sell now?

If you're prepared to rent and potentially put tenants through what you've been through, I'm afraid that doesn't say anything good about you

Your dog sounds annoying

Your neighbours sound awful

Fairyflaps · 28/05/2024 11:12

We have an unpleasant neighbour - threats, abuse. minor criminal damage, and even on one occasion assault on DH. It gets worse when he drinks, which he does often. It started over 4 years ago, police have been involved in the past. We have installed cctv on police advice. He is an unpleasant, racist misogynist and this is widely known in our community.

He isn't going to move unfortunately. Nor could we easily while our DS was going through GCSEs then A levels. However for the last 2 years we have largely been able to ignore him, and ignoring him has made our quality of life much better, to the extent that now that our DS is coming to the end of school we no longer feel the need to move so urgently.

His behaviour hasn't stopped entirely. He still mutters stuff at us or coughs at us if we pass him (but not if anyone else is nearby). I expect he continues to report us to various authorities, but without any substance, those complaints go nowhere. I expect he still slags us off to people who will listen, but there aren't many of those, as he has made many enemies over the years.

We have a lot of nice neighbours, and they more than balance out this nasty one. Based on our experience, my advice would be to stop engaging directly with your nightmare neighbour. Make sure your DC know to stay clear and say nothing. If you have visitors or people working on your house, make them aware that your neighbour can be difficult and to avoid contact. Get to know your other neighbours. Though don't get involved in slagging nightmare neighbour off - avoid discussing him at all if you can. other than to say you don't have anything to do with him if you can help it.

HiddenBooks · 28/05/2024 10:57

A bit of give and take:

  1. Train the dog to stop barking
  2. Hold out and live your life as normal - you're allowed to make reasonable noise in your own home. Even the council have told them it's not unreasonable. You've said they're in their 70s - hopefully late 70s - they won't be around forever!
WonderingAboutBabies · 28/05/2024 10:01

We used to live in a terraced house and our neighbour moaned at every noise we made. He claimed he could hear me using the chopping board, cooking dinner, walking around, plugging sockets in, hoovering, everything. He would bang on the wall at every single noise. It became so unbearable that we just moved.

Jazzjazzyjulez · 28/05/2024 09:47

They sound like a nightmare but honestly the dog barking is also unreasonable.

We have neighbours like this - haven't trained their dog so it barks every time in its in the garden - 7am, 11.30pm you name it. Also, barks every time someone walks past - which given the number of deliveries in the street is regular.

Why get a dog if you are not going to train it not to bark?

C152 · 28/05/2024 09:41

You are both unreasonable and I have found some of your comments to be judgemental and deeply unpleasant. You have a barking dog that you continue to make excuses for, whilst acknowledging that you, too, find your dog's barking annoying. Have you sought further training for your dog? Or do you think playing music at night, at a volume loud enough to mask the sound of foxes outside, is still the best approach??

Irrespective of personality clashes and annoyance with your dog, your neighbour obviously shouldn't be threatening you and you have rightly involved the police.

I would stop engaging with your neighbour - don't "confront" them about anything, don't put letters through their postbox. Get training for your dog and try to live your lives as best you can. Alternatively, as already suggested, you can rent the property out or sell it.

GabriellaMontez · 28/05/2024 09:36

Was everything OK until you got a dog?

Topseyt123 · 28/05/2024 09:30

Ignore them as much as you can. Stop responding to their shit because the more attention you give this, the more you feed it and the bigger it will grow.

Involve the police where you must (when threatened or harassed ) and the local council (for noise abatement) if needed.

Why are you OK with loud music at any time of day? Stop putting up with that. Write it down and get in contact with your local council.

Stop trying to fix something that clearly isn't fixable. Grey rock can be googled. It is pretty effective.

Lavenderblue11 · 28/05/2024 09:28

Your neighbour sounds awful but this is what's unreasonable on your part.

Why should a tenant who no doubt will be paying a hefty rental charge have to put up with their behaviour if you've had enough of it?

A new tenant might be a quiet older couple without any dogs, so might not provoke this reaction from the neighbour.

Beautiful3 · 28/05/2024 09:12

I'd ignore them and stop talking to them. They're never going to move, it sounds like they can't afford to. Sounds like put up or sell up on your part. However when you sell, you have to disclose any issues with neighbours. Otherwise they can sue you. They will find.out because of police and council records.

LookItsMeAgain · 28/05/2024 08:28

@LimeAnkles - surely someone has to live in the house or am I missing something???
The OP likes the house and may in time want to return to live there as their primary residence so why not rent it rather than sell it. If they sell it, someone still has to live there.
At some point the neighbours will pass away (I'm basing this entirely on the fact that they have lived there for over 40 years and they are in their 70's) so at that point the OP may want to return and you can't do that if you've sold the house.

Are you suggesting that they leave the house vacant while they pay a mortgage on it and also pay to live elsewhere with their family?

LimeAnkles · 28/05/2024 08:22

advicepleaseandpfm · 24/05/2024 11:50

Neighbour is in his early 70s - wife lives with him and they have a grown up son (he is married but wife lives in Asia and has their three children there). We knew they were a bit brusque when we moved in but we always got on with them and rubbed along - we tried to. I do remember one occasion when we had just moved in and someone fell over on the path outside their house and was bleeding, I saw it went out and helped them.
These neighbours sat in their lounge watching me while I called an ambulance - I was actually a bit upset because they are able bodied and have children and grandchildren, but their call if they don't want to help. I thought 'what type of neighbourhood are we in' - during lockdown they broke most of the social distancing rules and had relatives in the house. So I knew then maybe they weren't our cup of tea and in fact one of their grandchildren stayed and he was only 7 and was out in the local park all day and tried to set fire to some of the playground equipment and also wrote in permanent pen on the swing and slides.
Anyway that's the background and he did also say when we moved in 'it's a quiet neighbourhood, we make the noise around here'.
So we got a dog three years ago.
The neighbour started complaining about our dog barking, our dog is vocal but and does bark, but only for a few minutes and she goes to bed when we do. It can be annoying but where we live there are much noisier and more persistent dogs barking! And if she does bark in the night it's because we have foxes that scream in the park near us. I'm woken by them first. We play music to make sure she can't hear in.
Neighbour starts banging on the wall, telling us to shut up our dog. Even when its just a few minutes. On one occasion they set off fireworks in their garden then when our dog barked they banged on the wall. It gets really nasty where he's threatening to kill the dog and us. Swearing in front of our daughter and calling us awful names.

We ended up reporting him to the police. He then reports us to the council for noise nuisance - he sends a diary to the council and the officer calls us to tell us that the noise the dog makes is not unreasonable and because it's not all hours everything is fine. He'd put 2pm barking for a minute on the diary.

These neighbours do play loud music and they do have loud music every afternoon. I don't mind this - but the previous owner of our house was an elderly lady so maybe he's not happy about having a family of five here.

Anyway it gets to the stage where a few weeks we slam a door (actually our teenager slammed it) and we have the neighbour's son screaming at me and my husband out of the back window. I end up writing a letter and posting it through their door - saying we love our neighbours we don't want anything nasty to happen and I also said if we had to move - the neighbour is shouting at us to move - then is no guaranteed it won't be a younger noisier family who might make more noise.

Apparently that was seen a 'threat' and the son threatens to beat up me and my husband! We report to them to the police who are now looking at prosecuting. while this has gone on (for nearly two years) the neighbour has followed me down and up the street and shouted at me behind my back. I'm at least a foot shorter than him and he does it when no-one is around.

He's also done some other weird things I confronted him a few weeks ago he'd been drinking and he admitted that the dogs didn't make that much noise and his wife was ill so she was in pain and that kept him awake most nights. He said his grown up son had to put electrical wires up and needed to go to bed at 8am and get up at 6am. He said he'd been living here 48 years and had bought his house from the council so he should stay and we should move - I pointed out I have a primary and secondary school child.
For the record I start work at 6.30am from home for my job and I also have chatted to neighbours who tell me he's known for shouting 'bitch' out the window at women he doesn't like.
This morning (we are waiting for the police to update us) he tells my husband we are selfish scum and only think of ourselves (he knows both DH do volunteering and he knows what job I do) and that all our neighbours hate us and we need to move. Our dog did bark at 11pm last night - as we were out at a very rare fund raising event. We don't hold parties and now don't any family or friends round as we are scared of making noise. We want to move and rent out our house and live with our family nearby - and then move when my daughters finish school (one will be doing exams next year). How can we resolve this, he wants us to move - but we can't. Should we go round to our neighbours and see what we can do?

We want to move and rent out our house
Your neighbour sounds awful but this is what's unreasonable on your part.

Why should a tenant who no doubt will be paying a hefty rental charge have to put up with their behaviour if you've had enough of it?

NikNak321 · 28/05/2024 07:29

They sound awful and from what you have said I don't think your ever going to reach an understanding. You have 2 choices available to you. Put up with it and try to reduce hostility as much as possible or move. These are the only things you can control.

Another thing to consider is the couples age. Reality is in all likelihood they aren't going to be here in a decade. That being said I am sure you don't want this marring your kids childhood for the foreseeable if it's as bad as you say. Personally I would move on if you can't bear it. It isn't going to get better. Sorry op 😥

Ps I would also not like a barking dog. I get that you feel it's minimal. I keep cats...a barking dog for several times a day even if truly minimal; I would also hate. It's an unexpected, not enjoyable noise...One of the reasons I don't have a dog myself. I don't think they're unreasonable not liking it and complaining.

maddiemookins16mum · 24/05/2024 15:54

He’s not going to move. Unless you want years more of this, decades even, you’ll have to move before it destroys you from the inside out.