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Paula Vennels being questioned at the Post Office Inquiry, followed by others - thread 2

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nauticant · 24/05/2024 09:29

A continuation of the discussion started by@Sausagenbaconhere:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5080262-to-enjoy-hearing-paula-vennels-being-taken-apart

Paula Vennells' 3 days of evidence ends today but there are more hearings coming up and we can discuss those too.

When the hearings are going on, live-streaming can be found here:

https://www.youtube.com/@postofficehorizonitinquiry947/featured

All of the previous hearings can be found here:

https://www.youtube.com/@postofficehorizonitinquiry947/videos

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Peregrina · 24/05/2024 16:20

So how can he be penalised on the same way as if he had?

This point was touched on by one of the Lawyers - the revised Contracts were unfair, and had a clause which said that any lose incurred was the SPMs responsibility. Vennells didn't step in to question the terms of the Contracts - she waffled on about how clauses had been added to Contracts over the years. There was also a suggestion by the lawyer that they SPMs had been more or less forced to sign them, although that point wasn't fully clear to me.

It wasn't fully touched on either if at all, that if the PO had insisted that Fujistu fixed the bugs, that would also involve correcting any erroneous transactions cause by their system. The SPMs were also pressurised into admitting liability when they knew that they were innocent.

In all, it presents the senior management in a deplorable light, which to me is made much worse by the vastly inflated salaries that the got paid.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 24/05/2024 16:19

meimei80 · 24/05/2024 15:52

PV is off to the Priory no doubt to recover from her terrible ordeal.

I expect she’ll become a nun.

drusth · 24/05/2024 16:19

She should have been called Paula Venal.

Mulloffuckintyre · 24/05/2024 16:03

randomchap · 24/05/2024 13:43

I think it was because he hadn't followed the security measures exactly to the letter.

They could then say he was at fault

But he didn’t steal it. When it goes to court, it’s clear he didn’t steal it. So how can he be penalised on the same way as if he had?

DelythBeautyQueen · 24/05/2024 16:01

meimei80 · 24/05/2024 15:52

PV is off to the Priory no doubt to recover from her terrible ordeal.

Off to prison if there is any real justice. ⚖️

murasaki · 24/05/2024 15:54

meimei80 · 24/05/2024 15:52

PV is off to the Priory no doubt to recover from her terrible ordeal.

Sadly it's more likely that she's off to sit on her hoard of gold like Smaug.

meimei80 · 24/05/2024 15:52

PV is off to the Priory no doubt to recover from her terrible ordeal.

Arraminta · 24/05/2024 15:47

Fascinatedbutbusy · 24/05/2024 15:19

Thank you. I am multi tasking, badly, thankfully I am not in charge of anything important.

Oh, come come, you do yourself a disservice. If you're capable of accomplishing some very poor multitasking then you have a useful skill set. Have you ever considered a CEO role? [head tilt]

friendlycat · 24/05/2024 15:33

murasaki · 24/05/2024 15:10

Yes, people will have that last bit stuck in their heads. Very clever staging. Craftsmen at work.

Indeed clever staging and absolutely planned with deadly precision. All accompanied with the wrongly convicted postwoman sitting by his side.

Ending with that horrible email was a triumph. I'm actually astonished that she ever committed those comments to an email it's quite extraordinary.

meimei80 · 24/05/2024 15:29

Lunde · 24/05/2024 15:25

I think he was wise to leave it alone after the bitchy e-mail - left PV hanging on a negative

A little surprised that PV's own lawyer chose the no questions option

True, an excellent way to end it.

PerkingFaintly · 24/05/2024 15:27

Change in tempo between lawyers has worked well, I think.

Yy to all those saying Moloney's gentle speech and accent were very lulling... until the knife flicked open.

Lunde · 24/05/2024 15:25

meimei80 · 24/05/2024 15:21

I thought it went on until 4.30pm and Jason Beer still had some questions?

I think he was wise to leave it alone after the bitchy e-mail - left PV hanging on a negative

A little surprised that PV's own lawyer chose the no questions option

Quirkyme · 24/05/2024 15:24

@DelythBeautyQueen

Everyone else got it. It makes absolutely no sense that I would be saying that he is pissed drunk. So clearly, it meant he was pissed off.

Not gonna sit here and argue semantics with you. It was clear and your question has been answered.

DelythBeautyQueen · 24/05/2024 15:22

Quirkyme · 24/05/2024 15:06

@DelythBeautyQueen

Pissed at Vennels. As in pissed off, clearly.

Your post said "pissed" as in drunk, not "pissed off" as in angry. The "off" is pretty important in this context.

Peregrina · 24/05/2024 15:22

Jason Beer said he had no more. I suspect he knows when to stop.

He also knew that the answers would be "I don't remember, I don't recollect, I imagine that would have been the case."

murasaki · 24/05/2024 15:22

I think Jason Beer considered Moloney's mic drop to be a good end point.

nauticant · 24/05/2024 15:21

murasaki · 24/05/2024 15:18

Yes, back on 3rd June.

For those now addicted:

https://www.postofficehorizoninquiry.org.uk/phase-5-and-6-timetable

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meimei80 · 24/05/2024 15:21

I thought it went on until 4.30pm and Jason Beer still had some questions?

Peregrina · 24/05/2024 15:20

I thought Jo Hamilton maintained her composure remarkably well. I would have wanted to jump up and try to throttle Vennells.

Fascinatedbutbusy · 24/05/2024 15:19

grumpygrape · 24/05/2024 15:09

All done until 12.00 on the 3rd June.

No excuse not to do the blasted housework now

Thank you. I am multi tasking, badly, thankfully I am not in charge of anything important.

PerkingFaintly · 24/05/2024 15:18

sprigatito · 24/05/2024 14:49

It's a good thing it isn't a drinking game!

It actually is, in more than one household to my knowledge Grin

That's brave! I'd considered but rejected the idea due to high risk of death from alcohol poisoning!

"I don't remember."
"I didn't see it."
"I did see it, but didn't understand it to mean what it clearly means."
"Other people were responsible for that."
"[cries]"
"I imagine..."

murasaki · 24/05/2024 15:18

meimei80 · 24/05/2024 15:15

Has the live stream ended?

Yes, back on 3rd June.

Sceptic1234 · 24/05/2024 15:15

meimei80 · 24/05/2024 15:13

A lot of clergy are very invested in seeing themselves as 'good people' and simply cannot admit into their consciousness the notion that they may be bad, even if what they have done is bad. Hence the weird naivety in a woman of her age and position.

I think your right!

meimei80 · 24/05/2024 15:15

Has the live stream ended?

meimei80 · 24/05/2024 15:13

Sceptic1234 · 24/05/2024 15:09

That's almost certainly true. However, I suspect that it's just the way she speaks and sees the world.

Right from the word go she never missed a chance to praise herself. "I was too trusting". Even when shown her own emails that clearly show her to be spiteful and vindictive, she says it was a "mistake" and in reality she was a very fair minded and kind woman who wouldn't act like that way.

A lot of clergy are very invested in seeing themselves as 'good people' and simply cannot admit into their consciousness the notion that they may be bad, even if what they have done is bad. Hence the weird naivety in a woman of her age and position.

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