To reduce hours when labour win election

Nearly 54% of people in the UK receive more money from the government than they contribute!! That’s the main issue in the UK!! How on Earth have we created a situation when the majority are drains on the state??!

It’s galling to pay yet more taxes, especially when it’s on educating children. Reducing working hours, utilising your full pension allowance makes the situation more palatable. There’s no point striving for more.

This policy will fail economically. Even when people like me pay the school fee VAT and now proactively look for ways to reduce my tax bill.

Yes, I mean the parent survey that even the organisation that carried it out admitted was not representative and should not have been extrapolated to the entire population of private school users.

Although, of course, the Daily Mail failed to print that very important context because the Daily Mail is in the industry of keeping its readers scared and outraged, not informed.

https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2024/06/02/independent_schools_misleading_vat/

Do you mean the parent survey?

It's amazing how many people are taking as fact the Daily Mail scare story that if VAT is put on private school fees there'll be a mass exodus of pupils which will lead to the "overwhelming" of state schools. If that actually ever happens I'll eat my own shoes.

We put VAT on training geat.
I think people get upset as it affects them rather than other people.

Agree

Most people have no idea why so many people have to use private education.

So many economists have looked at the tax and it won’t make any money either.
What party proposes something that looses the tax payer money and 🤣🤣🤣people support it. It’s like Brexit, not a clue of the consequences

Lets not also forget Labours policy will also make Private Education even more elitist. Back to the 50s then

No country taxes Education……….it’s a disgrace! It’s pure envy.

Its not rubbish. This VAT on private education is 100% a tax of envy, labour despises anyone that can afford to send their kids private, although lots of their MPs also send their kids to private schools so also complete hypocrites. Lots of people work hard, and I did not say they didn't, in fact i said 'work hard and do well', do well meaning financially. Many people who work hard will still not have the same earning power as others, thats just life and the profession / choices that you make. I have also worked hard, from humble beginnings. Point is that I do not deserve to be penalised because I can afford to send my kids to a private school, especially as I didn't really have much of a choice. Frankly, if there was a decent state school that I could have sent my kids to in my area I would have sent them there, do you think that people actually want to pay school fees ?. Good state schools are a post code lottery and there are many parents who are paying for private for exactly these reasons. I was also state school educated myself. We all want the best for our kids but this VAT policy from labour will be a spiteful own goal, it will not deliver what they are claiming, it will just overwhelm the state schools so that classes will end up being 40 kids to a class which is not a great result for anyone.

Quite, totally agree

@Spaghettily , you put it very well.
@ThisOldThang is correct, but uses an example of equal opportunities, which is far from what we have.

IF everyone had the same opportunities and it was a truly level playing field I could get behind that. But it’s not. I worked extremely hard to get out of the socio economic group I was born into. But I had the benefit of;

good health
intelligence
parents that believed it was possible and so it was in my mindset as something I could do.
no disabilities
some childhood trauma but not enough to mean I couldn’t form healthy relationships and didn’t need to self medicate.

I had some lucky breaks too (e.g. someone who could help my career walking into the shop I worked in part time whilst studying, who gave me a voluntary opportunity).

A higher income doesn’t necessarily reflect talent or hard work. The Tory party are a testament to this. A lower income doesn’t indicate cruising. AND more importantly we NEED lower income roles so let’s not devalue them and call those in them lesser.

Higher incomes are sometimes related to sheer hard work. But other times they're absolutely not. Boris Johnson is the poster child for this. He walked into his first couple of jobs as a journalist not because of hard work - he is infamously lazy - but because of who his father knew. That kind of thing is far from uncommon. There's a strong statistical correlation between the wealth of your parents and the chances of you getting high-earning jobs.

Our economy relies on a large working class earning relatively low wages. Many people in that situation aren't there because of lack of effort, but lack of opportunity.

I work in IT. I had an entry level job on a monitoring desk.

I used it as an opportunity to study on the night and weekend shifts and I now earn three times what I did previously. There were other people that did absolutely nothing during a 12 hour shift - and I mean nothing.

When people talk about working hard, they're comparing themselves to those that choose to cruise through life doing the bare minimum, but then complain that others earn more than them.

Nobody is denying that hospital cleaners are over worked, under paid and unappreciated. They're simply saying that they've worked much harder than other people that had the same opportunities but decided to do the bare minimum. They've probably spent years carrying entire teams of people, that do fuck all, and have then been rewarded with promotions and higher pay. They've studied after work and at weekends, spent small fortunes on training courses and professional qualifications, worked 80+ hour weeks and have been rewarded for their efforts.

I'm absolutely sick of people suggesting that higher income aren't earned. They usually are.

It might not be fair to have such a discrepancy between manual and skilled workers, but it is completely fair to have a discrepancy between hard workers and the lazy.

Well said! This idea that only those with a higher income somehow work harder is so insulting and shows a real lack of insight.

Its utter rubbish to say Labour hates those who work hard and and do well. People from all walks of life vote Labour - doctors, lawyers, teachers....do they not work hard? Do you not consider a consultant for example to have done well?

Also many thousands of parents prioritise their child's education without sending them to private school. Just because you choose a state school does not mean you don't. Private does not equal better in many places.

I think we can safely say that unless Reform spectacularly defies all expectations, no party will have any interest in keeping the Tories in power. In the unlikely event of no overall majority the other parties should come to an arrangement pretty quickly. I imagine the leaders have wargamed it just in case.

I was responding to someone saying there will be a huge swing away from labour as apparently polls "tank" every time he opens his mouth. This isn't what I've seen in the polls but by July 5th we will know if that's true!

Unless we have one of those unsatisfying hung parliaments and then we have to hang for days like delayed passengers moping around an airport.

The results will come out on July 5th. That's when we will know how it goes!

or even july 4th ?

My income has gone up 15 fold (including inflation) from my first full time job in Liverpool to my current one in Copenhagen.
I used to work three jobs, struggle to make ends meet while making fortunes for other people. The press considered me immature, sponger and lazy.
Since moving to Denmark, the press would have you believe I am a great loss, part of the brain drain and driven here by high taxes.

Indeed. I tend to find that the more money people have the more they’re likely to be like this.

I'd love to see a link for this reduction of literacy. Is it for children or adults?

Totally agree with you about some people wanting others to pay for heir existence. Boris Johnson was a classic example of this.

Poor you - illiteracy numbers have reduced under the conservatives.

I tend to find some people prefer not to work and are greedy, and expect others to pay for their existence.

Sadly the impassioned speech was all in one paragraph, therefore I was unable to read it.

Plus I suspect most of it is Tory apologist nonsense. It's a shame when rich people have to pay taxes as some of them tend to be quite greedy.