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BeverForget · 23/05/2024 22:09

I work in food supply chain.
Four of the 'big' grocery retailers have just asked to renegotiate at least four weeks min supply, as opposed to two.
This happened in Feb 2020 as well.
Lots of rhetoric about being on a war footing, from politicos.
And then Sunak essentially jumping ship yesterday, as though he knows there is a crisis on the horizon that he wants no part of.
There is no way that the Tories have a prayer in a July election.
So what do they know that they aren't telling us?

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Babyshambles90 · 23/05/2024 23:15

Sadly there are a few possibilities! Biological or nuclear attack, water supply contamination, food shortages, H5N1 flu, unusual covid variant. H5N1 is becoming a growing concern as more red flag situations occur. Increasing numbers of dairy herds in the US are now affected, at least 2 farm workers diagnosed, and sporadic cases like the kid returning from India to Australia and being diagnosed with H5N1 with no obvious exposure to animals or sick people, which suggests wider levels circulating undetected. It’s really been a case of when not if for a while but the risk of an H5N1 pandemic is concerning, and after covid people are unlikely to be accepting of masking, lockdowns or other methods of infection control which makes the situation far more challenging.

Pollipops1 · 23/05/2024 23:15

If war is coming what good is some tins of beans & tuna?

Surely it’s more a case of further water contamination etc & the gov needing more time to organise themselves.

marie3e · 23/05/2024 23:13

I don't know what I would do with my cats

DyslexicPoster · 23/05/2024 23:08

LittleGreenDragons · 23/05/2024 22:31

It's probably down to the secondary petri dish conditions of people using those sardine cans (aeroplanes) to go on holiday. Covid is rife, cases of measles, whooping cough and TB are on the rise. All this means factories will have less workers, truckers won't be driving etc etc.

Then you have the French blocking the ports or air traffic control on strike every summer as they try to convince their government of something so nothing will be coming across from Europe. Pensions, farmers, petrol...

So no conspiracies - just another usual shit summer for us all - and that's before we moan about the non stop rain Blush

Bird flu is jumping the species barrier in US cattle so everyone needs to eyeball that. But its still a posabilty it won't jump to human to human transmission. But that being said we are ever increasingly getting closer to next global pandemic and that's nothing new.

The general election was due anyway, save a few months whatever but it was looming.

I'm not worried about anything secret or new. I'm.worried ( very low level) on what I can easily read on the bbc tbh. Worrying shit 360 rubbed in your face.

Onionskins78 · 23/05/2024 23:06

Onionskins78 · 23/05/2024 23:00

I don’t want to scaremonger but I did hear something on the international news about some form of bird flu jumping in to humans for the first time. The person just got conjunctivitis and recovered though!

Don’t quote me on this please because I have no expert knowledge whatsoever.

Hopefully another Mumsnetter will be along soon with better info!

But this is what I have Googled from the US CDC:

[1] first human case of A(H5N1) bird flu in the United States linked to an outbreak in dairy cows was also the first likely case of human infection with A(H5N1) from a cow globally. This was reported on April 1, 2024. The person reported eye redness as their only symptom, consistent with conjunctivitis, and recovered.

I have just found more info here on the BBC but whether it’s a cause for concern or not I have no clue!

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240515-how-a-human-bird-flu-vaccine-could-protect-against-avian-influenza

A 70-year-old system could help us prepare a bird flu vaccine for humans

The widespread presence of bird flu in US cattle and milk has vaccine scientists on high alert.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240515-how-a-human-bird-flu-vaccine-could-protect-against-avian-influenza

MistressoftheDarkSide · 23/05/2024 23:04

BobnLen · 23/05/2024 23:01

We have always had a stock of stuff, anything could happen anytime, it's a shame people need to have the government tell them this and they can't use their own common sense

I broadly agree. I'm just musing.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 23/05/2024 23:03

RainbowsMoonbeams · 23/05/2024 22:56

But 2020 was scaremongering nonsense!

Well, that's a can of worms indeed.

What I'm getting at us that on MN there were threads about what might be incoming as Covid spread in January and February which were scoffed at as scaremongering then we did actually have lockdowns etc. So I'm a little less sceptical because I never imagined I'd see such administrative chaos in my lifetime. Fool me once and all that.

chosenone · 23/05/2024 23:01

It’s not linked to the contaminated water situation in Devon is it? Could water supplies be targeted?

marie3e · 23/05/2024 23:01

Well it could happen, war here. Maybe it's just routine in the circumstances.

BobnLen · 23/05/2024 23:01

MistressoftheDarkSide · 23/05/2024 22:59

Funny how the narrative changes and so quickly sometimes. One minute you're a nutter if you've got a shed full of beans and bog roll, the next it's just common sense and we should have been doing it for years just like all our European neighbours.

We have always had a stock of stuff, anything could happen anytime, it's a shame people need to have the government tell them this and they can't use their own common sense

Onionskins78 · 23/05/2024 23:00

I don’t want to scaremonger but I did hear something on the international news about some form of bird flu jumping in to humans for the first time. The person just got conjunctivitis and recovered though!

Don’t quote me on this please because I have no expert knowledge whatsoever.

Hopefully another Mumsnetter will be along soon with better info!

But this is what I have Googled from the US CDC:

[1] first human case of A(H5N1) bird flu in the United States linked to an outbreak in dairy cows was also the first likely case of human infection with A(H5N1) from a cow globally. This was reported on April 1, 2024. The person reported eye redness as their only symptom, consistent with conjunctivitis, and recovered.

JaneJeffer · 23/05/2024 23:00

Well if you've got a shed full of beans you're going to need all that bog roll innit

MistressoftheDarkSide · 23/05/2024 22:59

Funny how the narrative changes and so quickly sometimes. One minute you're a nutter if you've got a shed full of beans and bog roll, the next it's just common sense and we should have been doing it for years just like all our European neighbours.

Mostlyoblivious · 23/05/2024 22:58

cavernclub · 23/05/2024 22:54

Yes this. It was reported in The Times this week too - recommending that everyone should hold 4 days supply to improve the country's resilience, using an example of a sulphur cloud from an Icelandic volcano meaning everybody would have to stay indoors for 4 days

Nuclear or biological warfare then?

RainbowsMoonbeams · 23/05/2024 22:56

MistressoftheDarkSide · 23/05/2024 22:52

There was a time I might have agreed with you. Before 2020 that is.

But 2020 was scaremongering nonsense!

NoSnowdrop · 23/05/2024 22:56

But we have been here before, with the same idiots.

Yep, if you’re talking about this thread

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cavernclub · 23/05/2024 22:54

Floatlikeafeather2 · 23/05/2024 22:33

It might be something to do with Oliver Dowden's website, recommending every household should have at least 3 weeks' supply of non- perishable food, bottled water, torches etc as emergency backup for any future pandemics/floods/other disasters. I heard about it yesterday but then it was overshadowed rather by Rishi in the Rain.

Yes this. It was reported in The Times this week too - recommending that everyone should hold 4 days supply to improve the country's resilience, using an example of a sulphur cloud from an Icelandic volcano meaning everybody would have to stay indoors for 4 days

MistressoftheDarkSide · 23/05/2024 22:52

SabreIsMyFave · 23/05/2024 22:50

Scaremongering nonsense!

There was a time I might have agreed with you. Before 2020 that is.

Autumn1990 · 23/05/2024 22:50

I has felt like there’s something a foot this week but there have been other recent times that have felt the same and not come to anything.
Inflation is lower now and a bit of stash is useful. Can always use it up over winter when energy bills are high so I’ll probably stock up on a few things. Only tinned food that we actually eat though. Toothpaste,loo roll, basic meds I’ll make sure I’ve a reasonable stash.
It will probably come to nothing though.

SabreIsMyFave · 23/05/2024 22:50

Scaremongering nonsense!

Testina · 23/05/2024 22:49

Brexit nonsense has already been, largely, costed for.

It’s got nothing to do with “costing”. If you’re working in food supply chain and not aware of the Brexit related legislative changes for imports coming into effect throughout this year, then I think you just started a new job yesterday!

nothingsforgotten · 23/05/2024 22:49

Whu · 23/05/2024 22:36

Well the government did actually do a weird announcement yesterday morning about stockpiling 3 days food and water and other things ‘just in case’. It was then of course completely overshadowed by the election being called.

It's not "weird", just what many other countries around the world have been suggested to do for years. The UK just seems to be lagging behind everywhere else.

snowgal · 23/05/2024 22:47

Whu · 23/05/2024 22:36

Well the government did actually do a weird announcement yesterday morning about stockpiling 3 days food and water and other things ‘just in case’. It was then of course completely overshadowed by the election being called.

I've always found it a bit weird that we don't do this, it's entirely normal in Scandinavia etc to follow emergency information and have an emergency bag/food etc. I once worked with communities looking at emergency plans in case of a disaster (flooding, wildfire, pandemic etc) a lot of communities were very wary of asking households to hold a stock of non perishable food, wind up radio and torch in case it started people panicking. We've lost touch with looking after ourselves and being self reliant.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 23/05/2024 22:47

I mean, it's all a bit vague - keep calm, carry on but be prepared just in case. The pandemic should have taught them plenty about how to communicate with the public and avoid headless chicken responses. Oh wait. Doh.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 23/05/2024 22:47

General elections always create disruption

Supermarkets are just trying to be prepared

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