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To think we are being lined up for something?

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BeverForget · 23/05/2024 22:09

I work in food supply chain.
Four of the 'big' grocery retailers have just asked to renegotiate at least four weeks min supply, as opposed to two.
This happened in Feb 2020 as well.
Lots of rhetoric about being on a war footing, from politicos.
And then Sunak essentially jumping ship yesterday, as though he knows there is a crisis on the horizon that he wants no part of.
There is no way that the Tories have a prayer in a July election.
So what do they know that they aren't telling us?

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RoobarbAndMustard · 24/05/2024 15:14

slore · 24/05/2024 03:15

Yes, we're being prepared for WW3, to make us think this is all natural rather than contrived and planned.

Before every major war there is a financial crisis, so they will starve us all first.

Britain doesn't have enough land to feed it's population, and are happily plastering over what remains of our arable land with vile new build houses. A lot of land is already wasted on livestock, who only convert a fraction of what they eat into food.

Vile new build homes?
We have a housing crisis in case you hadn't noticed. We all need a home and there's so many homeless and in temporary accommodation.

TheFirmBiscuit · 24/05/2024 15:14

So if we beef up our defences if the US loses interest in Europe how much is this going to cost and where will this money come from ? Thames Water is going bust , many UK councils are going bust , our social services are on their knees as is the NHS , housing is a disaster but we must find money for guns not butter. Good luck with that. Covid,Brexit and Johnson and Truss have robbed us dry.

To think we are being lined up for something?
Firkinhavinalaugh · 24/05/2024 15:12

Haven’t rtft but I’m quite pleased this is happening as stock in our local big 4 has been totally shocking. Perhaps we might be able to get some of the everyday stuff if they have more stock out the back! It’s as bad now for us for some things as it was during 2020.

40weeksmummy · 24/05/2024 15:05

I think lots of people started to panic or lots of them are on Mumsnet :) Just spoke with my neighbour, who has 4 months old baby. Her husband just came back from supermarkets carrying 23 tubs of formula milk. Insane. I remember I couldn't get our formula for 3 weeks during first lockdown, but thanks God my son was old enough to drink cows milk. So yes, panic buying started....

RoobarbAndMustard · 24/05/2024 15:04

Babyshambles90 · 23/05/2024 23:15

Sadly there are a few possibilities! Biological or nuclear attack, water supply contamination, food shortages, H5N1 flu, unusual covid variant. H5N1 is becoming a growing concern as more red flag situations occur. Increasing numbers of dairy herds in the US are now affected, at least 2 farm workers diagnosed, and sporadic cases like the kid returning from India to Australia and being diagnosed with H5N1 with no obvious exposure to animals or sick people, which suggests wider levels circulating undetected. It’s really been a case of when not if for a while but the risk of an H5N1 pandemic is concerning, and after covid people are unlikely to be accepting of masking, lockdowns or other methods of infection control which makes the situation far more challenging.

People less likely to follow instructions in future, after the appalling behaviour of Johnson and his government.
I don't get my news from social media so won't be falling down any conspiracy rabbit holes.
I would be taking a considered approach should we end up with another pandemic.

Horsemother · 24/05/2024 15:00

Ihateslugs · 24/05/2024 13:38

Too late! Supermarkets near me are already rationing water, toilet rolls and batteries! Long queues reported in some shops as well, but as it’s a BH weekend, that might just be normal. I shop online and am due to place my next order so I hope I can still get what I want.

Where is this? I've been to Waitrose and Sainsburys today and no rationing at all. They weren't even heaving with customers, I expect that will be tomorrow because of the bank holiday.

RoobarbAndMustard · 24/05/2024 14:59

Onionskins78 · 23/05/2024 23:00

I don’t want to scaremonger but I did hear something on the international news about some form of bird flu jumping in to humans for the first time. The person just got conjunctivitis and recovered though!

Don’t quote me on this please because I have no expert knowledge whatsoever.

Hopefully another Mumsnetter will be along soon with better info!

But this is what I have Googled from the US CDC:

[1] first human case of A(H5N1) bird flu in the United States linked to an outbreak in dairy cows was also the first likely case of human infection with A(H5N1) from a cow globally. This was reported on April 1, 2024. The person reported eye redness as their only symptom, consistent with conjunctivitis, and recovered.

I read this too in the last few days.
Hopefully it won't start spreading between humans.
My mum caught Psittacosis off a pet cockatiel and was really with breathing difficulties. Her GP came out and she was off in an ambulance blue lights on. The cause was only discovered because she had a bad bite from the bird on her finger. Full recovery once they knew the cause and could treat it.

Terrribletwos · 24/05/2024 14:58

Cattery · 24/05/2024 12:48

I might go to Tesco for a torch later… that should see the Ruskies off 😱

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Ah, that made me laugh, thank you.

afterfive · 24/05/2024 14:56

WhiteLily1 · 24/05/2024 13:48

This.
Before covid started I stocked up out of sheer panic with lots of various items / food / tins. Hardly any of which I actually was in desperate need of because dispute the shops being a bit empty for a week I could still get plenty of food in the multitude of smaller shops around. Shopping slots were tricky but I still got them.
In fact I would say (and my waist would agree) I ate better during lockdown than any other time! And exercised more.

Then Over 2 years ago I worried myself to tears every night looking at mumsnet threads with people ‘in the know’ that we would be imminently at war with Russia and almost thought I was going to see a mushroom cloud from my window any moment.
I didn’t think next week would come let alone 2 years. Yet here we are.
Im going to have to take another long break from mumsnet if these threads carry on. Too much anxiety and people who know absolutly f-all spreading fear or worse trolling that they know someone who knows something.
No point living if you are going to cower in fear and ruin precious days of life.
There will be an enormous amount of crap in the papers / news leading up to the election and some of this will be fear based. Most will be propaganda and you can bet all will be there for a purpose - to try to influence YOU!
To anyone who is worried: turn off the news on your phone and TV. Don’t load up mumsnet. Go outside and enjoy the summer.

But that is up to you if you see everything in black and white though. Not everyone are like you, some of us can see it sensibly and not be scared but also not turn a blind eye to that things could happen. Cyber attacks for example.

And it would just be silly not to have some extra food & water amongst other necessary things at home.

You don’t have to turn off the news completely to enjoy the summer. Most of us are capable to do both.

MagicFox · 24/05/2024 14:27

What else should we be doing to prepare for war than we are already doing. We have our nuclear deterrent, what else should we do? In a nuclear war there’ll be no winners anyway.

We, along with the rest of European NATO, need to invest in our conventional deterrence with two major things in mind:

  1. America focusing more on the indo-pacific and not having capacity for Europe anymore
  1. A revanchist Russia that may take an opportunity to push against NATO, initiate further land grabs etc with the potential support of China, Iran and North Korea. Especially dangerous if the US is engaged in the IP at the same time

Putin has to know that a war with NATO is not doable along any kind of spectrum.

We also need to strengthen our defence in vulnerable grey zone areas. Russia is engaging us just below the threshold of kinetic war currently. We need to step up in the areas of cyber, disinformation etc and look to our critical infrastructure and civil defence planning

Lilianna55 · 24/05/2024 14:23

badatdecisions · 24/05/2024 13:07

They are doing a July election because:

Due to the way the parliament dates fall, there's no way Labour can actually pass any laws till October, so they can say Labour is doing nothing/failing, and also stop Labour actually being able to improve things for months.

Old people (i.e. Tory voters) are more likely to get out and vote at that time of year vs winter. Currently, they have a strong chance of stopping Labour having a majority government just by winning a few key seats. Labour isn't doing as well as the hype.

They can sack off all the doomed to fail policies like Rwanda while saving face and pretending they would have worked out.

Rishi already has plans to spend winter in California so he wants time to prep for that, wrap everything up, move his stuff etc.

We are woefully unprepared for a war, all the eastern countries and the US and even Japan and Australia have been actively preparing for months. As usual, we will do f all until the eleventh hour.

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What else should we be doing to prepare for war than we are already doing. We have our nuclear deterrent, what else should we do? In a nuclear war there’ll be no winners anyway.

40weeksmummy · 24/05/2024 14:14

Ihateslugs · 24/05/2024 13:38

Too late! Supermarkets near me are already rationing water, toilet rolls and batteries! Long queues reported in some shops as well, but as it’s a BH weekend, that might just be normal. I shop online and am due to place my next order so I hope I can still get what I want.

Which supermarket?
I bought few big packs of batteries for my son's toys at Asda this morning and did food shopping at LIDL and Aldi - didn't notice anything...

xxSideshowAuntSallyxx · 24/05/2024 14:14

Ihateslugs · 24/05/2024 13:38

Too late! Supermarkets near me are already rationing water, toilet rolls and batteries! Long queues reported in some shops as well, but as it’s a BH weekend, that might just be normal. I shop online and am due to place my next order so I hope I can still get what I want.

I've just been and Sainsbury's was fully stocked, absolutely no panic buying, no queues at the petrol pumps.

They were running low on flavoured water but have been for weeks, part of me thinks they're discontinuing it.

MibsXX · 24/05/2024 14:13

Ok, whatever may or may not be going to happen this year, may I suggest that there really is feck all any of us can do about it, so how about we all simply look forward to a nice warm summer, do something fun every day, take joy in hearing birdsong, smile and say hi to a stranger when out walking, and learn to appreciate the life we do have each and every day. One day at a time.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/05/2024 14:11

MistressoftheDarkSide · 23/05/2024 22:40

What exactly does being on a war footing mean these days though?

Dunno - maybe a state of perpetual readiness to invade a country (cf Iraq)?

or to get people to rally to the flag and government because of them nasty Russians and Palestinian supporters who threaten the very fabric of our society etc etc?

GalileoHumpkins · 24/05/2024 14:01

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To think we are being lined up for something?
MibsXX · 24/05/2024 13:52

WhiteLily1 · 24/05/2024 13:34

tap water in a bottle tastes absolutely rank after 24-48 hours let alone weeks!

We had 15 days with no water supply at all a couple of years ago, and with no transport and no shops trust me life was hell for a while, I've been keeping backups ever since

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 24/05/2024 13:49

We will see in 3 months.

Something big is coming. Prepare accordingly.

Benidorm in August!
Did I win?

WhiteLily1 · 24/05/2024 13:48

BlackFriYay · 24/05/2024 13:05

I spent days metaphorically shitting myself when threads like this started appearing when covid hit, then again when Putin started his sabre rattling about nuclear weapons. It all gets a bit too much for people who have a tendency to panic and get stuck in a doom mindset. I clearly haven't learned my lesson though as here I am again, reading the same shit, years later.

If anybody else reading is like me, can I suggest you hide the thread and look after your mental health? I will be doing so after I post this 🙁

This.
Before covid started I stocked up out of sheer panic with lots of various items / food / tins. Hardly any of which I actually was in desperate need of because dispute the shops being a bit empty for a week I could still get plenty of food in the multitude of smaller shops around. Shopping slots were tricky but I still got them.
In fact I would say (and my waist would agree) I ate better during lockdown than any other time! And exercised more.

Then Over 2 years ago I worried myself to tears every night looking at mumsnet threads with people ‘in the know’ that we would be imminently at war with Russia and almost thought I was going to see a mushroom cloud from my window any moment.
I didn’t think next week would come let alone 2 years. Yet here we are.
Im going to have to take another long break from mumsnet if these threads carry on. Too much anxiety and people who know absolutly f-all spreading fear or worse trolling that they know someone who knows something.
No point living if you are going to cower in fear and ruin precious days of life.
There will be an enormous amount of crap in the papers / news leading up to the election and some of this will be fear based. Most will be propaganda and you can bet all will be there for a purpose - to try to influence YOU!
To anyone who is worried: turn off the news on your phone and TV. Don’t load up mumsnet. Go outside and enjoy the summer.

Mydietstartstomorrow · 24/05/2024 13:46

I can’t stock up I’ve got a teenager in the house that devours everything in a couple of days! I’m proper fc**d then! 😂

CentrifugalBumblePuppy · 24/05/2024 13:44

Protect & Survive was available for purchase in the 80s, but it was never distributed to all households.

There was also a series of booklets produced by several local authorities which were also based on the hypothetical nuclear scenario (on London) Operation Square Leg, which was also published as a book (I have a very dog eared paperback of London & the Bomb).

The example below is from Hull and the Bomb (the link has most of, if not the entire booklet)https://xenogothic.com/2021/02/25/hull-and-the-bomb/

Operation Square Leg itself is grim reading. The scenario focuses on thermonuclear weapons of 1MT and above. Unless you’re one of the lucky few in Government or military who’ll be running the show from their bunkers (should they have the opportunity to get there), it’s rather a case of stick your head between your legs and kiss your arse goodbye.

Now, as we have missile guidance systems that can pinpoint a target with extreme accuracy, the modern warheads are therefore more likely to be in the kiloton range. Warheads are expensive, just making the plutonium for the first stage tamper is many millions, if not billions of $$ once you figure in reactor fuel, time, reprocessing, manufacture, movement, upkeep etc.

Thus theoretically, your chances of survival is increased.

Unfortunately, we live on a tiny island, so fallout from ground bursts and our ever changing wind direction would probably make everywhere hotter than a vindaloo.

And would we want to survive anyway? IIRC, in 1966 docudrama The War Game by Peter Watkins, the question is asked, with the answer being, ‘the survivors would envy the dead. It’s a very grim watch making use of cinema verité to horrific effect, so much so the BFI banned it from being televised until the middle of 1985, post Threads & The Day After.

Having been a teen in the 80s, and a member of CND during the Cold War (when the four minute warning was always hanging over our heads), I have made my peace at hoping I’m directly under the bloody thing should we have one thrown this way.

Putin and his continuous sabre rattling (and his alleged Poseidon weapon that’ll wipe the UK off the map, utter bollocks) is always of concern, because he’s irrational and unhinged. Ditto that little pillock in North Korea. And boy do they both like to sabre rattle! I can only assume that both men have very tiny willies.

I recommend Juile’s Atomic Hobo podcast as well, and follow my friend Dr Becky Alexis-Martin on Twitter (or x or whatever it is this week) who wrote Disarming Doomsday.

As for other scenarios like cyber terrorism, flooding, pandemic etc., where collapse of the food chain is possible, then having a week or so of food & water is a good thing. But prepping for a nuclear apocalypse of multiple weapons going boom on the UK?

Sod that.

To think we are being lined up for something?
Woozerbug · 24/05/2024 13:43

How stupid is everyone?

its project fear, the Tory plan to freak everyone out so they vote for them as they reckon people trust them more in a crisis (haha). Rishi literally said ‘vote for tories as the world is dangerous right now’ and then this. They would NOT being holding an election if something g dreadful is imminent - because there’s a massive vacuum of power.

you’re all falling for this because some random on Mumsnet (Tory Hq anyone) has posted declaring it.

MibsXX · 24/05/2024 13:42

dayswithaY · 24/05/2024 12:12

A box of matches?

The only shop near me for miles charges 1.45 for a box of matches.....I have to feed 3 of us on 14 a week, often less. So yes, even a box of matches that MIGHT be needed ( but with no candles and a possibly useless electric cooker what would matches be of use for) versus food that IS needed now

Ihateslugs · 24/05/2024 13:38

laveritable · 24/05/2024 13:30

Do not start the panic buying ! PLEASE!

Too late! Supermarkets near me are already rationing water, toilet rolls and batteries! Long queues reported in some shops as well, but as it’s a BH weekend, that might just be normal. I shop online and am due to place my next order so I hope I can still get what I want.