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To think we are being lined up for something?

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BeverForget · 23/05/2024 22:09

I work in food supply chain.
Four of the 'big' grocery retailers have just asked to renegotiate at least four weeks min supply, as opposed to two.
This happened in Feb 2020 as well.
Lots of rhetoric about being on a war footing, from politicos.
And then Sunak essentially jumping ship yesterday, as though he knows there is a crisis on the horizon that he wants no part of.
There is no way that the Tories have a prayer in a July election.
So what do they know that they aren't telling us?

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Totallymessed · 24/05/2024 21:12

BeverForget · 24/05/2024 19:13

In the first wave of Covid, it presented a lot of challenges.
There is the storage capacity, nationally, but it is getting it to sites.
One of the biggest hindrances to this in lockdown was the lack of qualified HGV drivers and the difficulty in training and licensing them.
Toilet paper, for example.
There was an abundance of it throughout the whole of 2020/2021, but panic buying decimated local supplies, that could not be replenished fast enough due to lack of available staff to fulfill transport obligations.

Now this was definitely generated by Chatgpt 😂Nicely done OP!

marie3e · 24/05/2024 21:09

I've got a radio, need batteries, torch, can drink out of the tinned fruit and tomato cans. Net some babywipes for cleaning and may as well fill the bath as soon as whatever it is happens

LittleMonks11 · 24/05/2024 21:07

Wilder shores. That's one way of putting it.

QuickJadeUser · 24/05/2024 21:03

Bjorkdidit · 24/05/2024 10:59

It would if you were outside the main blast zone but within the area where there is nuclear fallout. The same applies for releases from nuclear power stations, chemical releases etc. A huge amount of protection can be gained from sheltering.

Some good news is that modern nuclear weapons (H Bombs) don't have nearly the same risk of fallout. The kind that we're used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki worked through fission: so taking really heavy and unstable elements and breaking them apart to release energy. They are very inefficient and the blast would distribute a lot of unreacted waste (that's the fallout).

H-Bombs have a primary fission stage and a secondary fusion stage, where the fission energy is used to cause a bunch of heavy hydrogen to fuse, releasing huge amounts of energy. The amount of actually radioactive material in a H bomb is far lower, so there's no so much a of a problem of fallout.

That said, they are many many times more powerful than a fission weapon. That could be a plus, given you're very likely to just die and you wouldn't have to live through a flattened UK, could be a minus because... Well, you're dead. Depends if you're a glass half full person or not.

My father was in Coventry in the 80s when they accidentally set off the early attack warning. He rolled over and went back to sleep, as did the rest of the population. Apparently, a police officer had phoned up the speaking clock, and it had mistakenly set off the warning (as the alert system piggybacked on that infrastructure.) Personally, I would too. By the time protect and survive (and I'm veering very far off topic here) became public knowledge, I imagine most people were numb to nuclear armageddon by that point (as is evidenced by interviews with people at the time being asked what they would do, and a top answer being "finish my pint"). Protect and survive is a gem, though, really. I love the note about caravans which is basically "idk have fun being dead I guess".

Lifeomars · 24/05/2024 21:00

TheNoonBell · 24/05/2024 11:23

MP Andrew Bridgen thinks the war will be announced in July/August and that Rishi doesn't want to be a wartime PM. He also says we are already at war, we just haven't been told yet.

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Andrew Bridgen is really out on the wilder shores these days, he just gets more and more strange. Another one who won't be back after July 4th. i feel very sorry for his constituents , chucked out the Tory party, off to that Laurence Fox strangeness that is Reclaim, then falls out with Fox in a row about the party car and is now an Independent. I also understand that the current Mrs Bridgen has left him saying that he has been radicalised by the anti-vax narrative.

user8800 · 24/05/2024 20:53

Igotjelly · 24/05/2024 20:46

Indeed, what we need is strong and stable Conservative leadership…… oh wait.

Yeah...
Not like labour actually ran the country in WW2 whilst Churchill made pretty speeches....

BobnLen · 24/05/2024 20:51

Motherland2624 · 24/05/2024 20:46

Work in retail had an insane amount of covid tests delivered over the last few weeks

There was a new variant reported recently, probably that

Igotjelly · 24/05/2024 20:46

Livelovebehappy · 24/05/2024 20:40

Can’t even begin to imagine that Labour might be in charge when we go to war! We would be screwed……

Indeed, what we need is strong and stable Conservative leadership…… oh wait.

Motherland2624 · 24/05/2024 20:46

Work in retail had an insane amount of covid tests delivered over the last few weeks

Itsabeautufulday · 24/05/2024 20:42

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 24/05/2024 13:07

Just found this as i hear a bot about it a couple of days ago and dismissed it - better to have a few extra cans and candles and batteries as its always sensible to do so for power cuts etc

https://www.ft.com/content/002490f0-13db-4234-b609-e8a539b28447

You appear to be replying to your iwn post

Livelovebehappy · 24/05/2024 20:40

Can’t even begin to imagine that Labour might be in charge when we go to war! We would be screwed……

IBegYourBiggestPardon · 24/05/2024 20:37

marie3e · 24/05/2024 00:04

Turkish delight would be a good stock up item

Turkish delight needs orbiting to the moon

SloaneStreetVandal · 24/05/2024 20:35

If major supermarkets were ALL panic prepping in a pre pandemic manner, we'd have a more robust leak than beverforget from tesco's bakery counter.

If it bleeds it leads; if something as meaty as this was even suspected, the media would be all over it, click baiting us all for fun.

TabithaTimeTurner · 24/05/2024 20:35

watergames · 24/05/2024 20:08

Good science said that the vaccinations acted to prevent the serious complications, so did not prevent covid, but prevented the serious complications which led to such heartbreaking scenes in ICU. I think it is worth listening to someone who worked in the covid frontline, in ICU?

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God if anything the last few years has taught us is don’t trust the bloody science. Follow the science and what do you find? 💰 💰 💰 💰

I no longer trust a bloody thing the government or anyone in charge say. Fool me once…

marie3e · 24/05/2024 20:29

Dahliasinallotment · 24/05/2024 13:04

I suspect is there is Armageddon my family doesn’t really have the skill set to survive, and a few extra tins in the cupboard won’t make much difference to our chances.

But the tins and water might help in a natural disaster while we wait for relief aid. That seems sensible.

Mumsnet seems extra twitchy this week. Do we suspect bots may be trying to influence national mood in an election cycle. My Paranoia will extend that far.

I think that, that a little food store only goes so far in the case of serious things going down we will need to be able to survive on an ongoing basis, I would be out on day 3 raiding protein shake and medicines

Malo05 · 24/05/2024 20:28

watergames · 24/05/2024 20:08

Good science said that the vaccinations acted to prevent the serious complications, so did not prevent covid, but prevented the serious complications which led to such heartbreaking scenes in ICU. I think it is worth listening to someone who worked in the covid frontline, in ICU?

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How do you know I didn't know anyone who worked in ICU? I did as it goes and my opinion is the same.

Malo05 · 24/05/2024 20:28

MotherFeministWoman · 24/05/2024 20:26

So you think no one got covid before we had the vaccines?

Where did I say that?? Fuck sake only on mumsnet. Of course people got covid before the vaccines. Just like people got covid after the vaccines.

MotherFeministWoman · 24/05/2024 20:26

Malo05 · 24/05/2024 20:02

I disagree. The only people I know of getting covid were the ones who were vaccinated like x5. Never been vaccinated and never had it and that goes for everyone I knew who weren't vaccinated, all of which worked through lockdown and not wfh.

You see my experience and your experience is different. My approach or experience might not be across the board and neither may yours.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion

So you think no one got covid before we had the vaccines?

Kalevala · 24/05/2024 20:24

Lifeomars · 24/05/2024 08:48

And the quality gets worse, sick of buying so called fresh veg to have it go off in around 2 days, tomatoes are awful, have all but given up buying them, had some green beans the other day and never got to eat any of them as they were turning black and going slimy when I got them out of the fridge. Interestingly, the Tories aren't campaigning on the myriad success of Brexit!

I haven't had an issue with tomatoes. Only just started buying them as they are awful in winter obviously, but good now.

LetsGoDoDoDo · 24/05/2024 20:16

For anyone who's mental health has taken a battering due to threads like this (and who, like me, has lost a good few hours down an internet prepping rabbit hole) this might give you a bit of (lighthearted) perspective...

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1SuBM1TaUnJ1B4M6u8gO0j?si=XYLwWVgxRkyDz-34t8YGJQ

The Cult of Prepping!

*just a bit of fun!

Spotify

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1SuBM1TaUnJ1B4M6u8gO0j?si=XYLwWVgxRkyDz-34t8YGJQ

anyolddinosaur · 24/05/2024 20:13

Lighten up and repeat the serenity prayer

"grant to us the serenity of mind to accept that which cannot be changed, courage to change that which can be changed, and wisdom to know the one from the other "

Can I change whether Putin decides to start a war - not a chance. Do I want to survive a nuclear war - no. Can I put some bottles of tap water in a dark place - yes. Since I can do fuck all about most of the things people worry about I'll get out in the sunshine when we have any and make the most of what we have.

Can't remember how many of these scares I've lived through but quite a few - and worrying made not a jot of difference to any of them.

watergames · 24/05/2024 20:08

Malo05 · 24/05/2024 20:02

I disagree. The only people I know of getting covid were the ones who were vaccinated like x5. Never been vaccinated and never had it and that goes for everyone I knew who weren't vaccinated, all of which worked through lockdown and not wfh.

You see my experience and your experience is different. My approach or experience might not be across the board and neither may yours.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion

Good science said that the vaccinations acted to prevent the serious complications, so did not prevent covid, but prevented the serious complications which led to such heartbreaking scenes in ICU. I think it is worth listening to someone who worked in the covid frontline, in ICU?

Malo05 · 24/05/2024 20:02

Sweden99 · 24/05/2024 07:35

My sister worked in ICU, which was filled up during the waves with people dying. Once the vaccine came along, the only people in there were unvaccinated.
My close friend all the way over in North Carolina had the same experience.
Both have retired from ICU since.

Much of what you wrote is untrue.
I am sorry that Covid hurt your feelings by making you feel unimportant. But you should refrain from posting poison.

I disagree. The only people I know of getting covid were the ones who were vaccinated like x5. Never been vaccinated and never had it and that goes for everyone I knew who weren't vaccinated, all of which worked through lockdown and not wfh.

You see my experience and your experience is different. My approach or experience might not be across the board and neither may yours.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion

watergames · 24/05/2024 19:58

TheFirmBiscuit · 24/05/2024 18:53

Probably in the past St Petersburg troll factory posts would have weird non-native inflexions and phrases and be parroting a Kremlin line so were easy to spot. With AI they can cover those up. I had to crunch your reply to fully understand it ! Did 'it' get you right ?

The statement is making a lighthearted generalization, with a touch of stereotype, about British people and their writing.

Here's a breakdown:

With all due respect: This is a polite phrase used before expressing a disagreement or something that might be critical.
Bad grammar and linguistic errors: This refers to mistakes in writing, like using the wrong word or forgetting punctuation.
Indicate the poster is British: This suggests that because of the errors, the writer might be British.
Quite normal: This downplays the significance of the errors, saying they're not a big deal.
Quite possibly a graduate or a professional: This is a bit tongue-in-cheek, implying that even well-educated Brits might make occasional mistakes.

On the linguistic typo:

The statement uses "linguistic errors" which is more likely what they meant than "errors in linguistic typology."
Linguistic typology refers to the study of how languages classify things like nouns and verbs. Errors in that area would be very specific and unlikely in casual writing.

Overall, it's a playful remark suggesting that some Britons, regardless of education level, might make grammatical mistakes, but it doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on them.

AI didn't get it right because they didn't see that I corrected your "linguistic typos" to "linguistic errors" which is what you probably meant. "Typo" generally means spelling errors. Shortened from "typographical error" from typing pool days I think.

I am not being a critic of your writing for the sake of it - what you wrote - seriously, not lighthearted - is ill informed and jumping on a bandwagon. It is better to think for yourself rather than jump on a bandwagon.

So - and this is lighthearted - I wrote into AI "What will stop the wars?" and the reply was:
"The wars will not stop until the hating stops - hating between nations, and hating by those who are powerful but war mongering. Wise people will see this as a time for everyone to listen to others, and reflect on what they hear deeply, to find common ground, to be intelligent when working out the root causes of conflicts and to find fair, intelligent, humane and longlasting solutions, and, finally, to give the needs of all civilians everywhere priority over any unnecessary economic power struggles."

Nothing about trolls or language! Would you credit it?

TheFirmBiscuit · 24/05/2024 19:58

It's going to be a toss up as to what gets us first war or climate change or probably a mixture of both. That said the big game changer is the Russian-China alliance which will only get stronger, with Russia effectively a vassal state. Combines the world's largest country and source of mineral wealth with the worlds' largest manufacturing powerhouse and population. China didn't want this war, they like trade and stability but Putin having started it already they can't let Russia lose. Or it's them next as far as the US is concerned.