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Should I refuse reception settling in days if I can?

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Jiski · 23/05/2024 20:06

Hi,

Has anyone ever gotten their child to stay full time when it’s supposed to be a settling in day. Can you do it? How did you do it?

I’ve read on an old post that it was possible, but the link to government guidance doesn’t work and I don’t know if I just can’t find it or if it’s outdated advice now.

My son already goes to nursery full time and does lots of other activities like Squirrels and swimming so he’s used to long days. Also, I don’t think he needs to settle in as he’s been to playgroup at the school a number of times and should be in a class with 3 of his nursery friends.

FYI I don’t have any annual leave left as my annual leave year resets in November.

Thanks

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User79853257976 · 23/05/2024 21:37

Blankname22 · 23/05/2024 20:18

I asked the same question at the school open day. The head basically looked at me like I was nuts and maybe a cold hearted parent to even consider it.
He empathised the settling in process. I said it doesn't suit working parents like me. I also asked could it be optional and he laughed. Then I asked could be be spread over a week instead of two and he said no and walked away.
I suspect it's more a settling in process for the teacher, allow them to set up the room in peace, gather resources to suit the class and arrange assistants. And probably mentally build up the hours so they also cope with the new group of children.

What a stupid thing to say about the teachers. They will have planned in advance. It’s for the children. You lot who have had your children in full time nursery will not be paying for that anymore so take annual leave or unpaid parental leave to support your child with the transition.

Apollo365 · 23/05/2024 21:32

I didn’t bother as I didn’t want mine missing a paid nursery day. He was fine when he started school

YellowHairband · 23/05/2024 21:31

A couple who I'm friends with insisted on full time from the start and the school allowed it. They are both secondary school teachers with no family nearby - they can't take annual leave or shift their hours, or wfh, they have to be in.
They didn't like doing it, because they know the school wasn't trying to be difficult on purpose, and they didn't want to be difficult parents. But there was no other option.

Parker231 · 23/05/2024 21:31

Redmat · 23/05/2024 21:20

Parents always use the argument that their children have been in a nursery from 8.30 - 6pm. They seem to forget this is a new environment for their children ,with new classmates, new adults, new rules and a totally different routine. It's similar to an adult starting a new job and we all know how overwhelming that can be. And these children are only 4.
A settling in period really does benefit most children.

How does a mixed up routine help - a few hours in school and then some hours with whoever you can ask a favour from? Different routine on different days. Would be a nightmare.

ZipZapZoom · 23/05/2024 21:22

Redmat · 23/05/2024 21:20

Parents always use the argument that their children have been in a nursery from 8.30 - 6pm. They seem to forget this is a new environment for their children ,with new classmates, new adults, new rules and a totally different routine. It's similar to an adult starting a new job and we all know how overwhelming that can be. And these children are only 4.
A settling in period really does benefit most children.

In my experience it really doesn't. All it does is delay the children actually settling. How can they settle when the routine is not fixed and they aren't doing all the stuff they would be doing at school e.g having lunch, doing afternoons or being with all their classmates?

All it does is shift the actual settling in several days or weeks down the road.

Growlybear83 · 23/05/2024 21:21

OrangeLemonLime24 · 23/05/2024 21:04

’Entitled’
’Right’
’Tell’
‘Inform’
’Demand’
’Challenge’

All words used in this thread to talk about sending children in full time from day one AND other threads about taking children out for term time holidays!

Schools (and teachers) are not the enemy! We are just trying to do the best for ALL children in our care. We even do staggered starts in Secondary with Y7/12 starting before other years. You only start school once and for some it can be a really big deal. Best to have a window of time to be able to iron out small issues before they become big ones.

I agree. Also, not all children go to nursery before they start school, and not all of those who do have full time nursery placements . My daughter didn't go to nursery and it was really helpful for her to have a two week settling in period.

Redmat · 23/05/2024 21:20

Parents always use the argument that their children have been in a nursery from 8.30 - 6pm. They seem to forget this is a new environment for their children ,with new classmates, new adults, new rules and a totally different routine. It's similar to an adult starting a new job and we all know how overwhelming that can be. And these children are only 4.
A settling in period really does benefit most children.

RafaistheKingofClay · 23/05/2024 21:10

There should be some flexibility for those children that find it harder @OrangeLemonLime24 but in reception, the vast majority of children will find it easier and much quicker to settle full time from day 1.

The real settling in period starts from the point that all (or most) children are in full time.

Starlightstarbright3 · 23/05/2024 21:10

Op . I know lots of kids f/t from day one exhausted . My Ds was absolutely hyper - loved it . Each child bus different . This is when they just started one intake the year before would have started January as he is classed as summer born

Jiski · 23/05/2024 21:08

There’s a few of us parents who will probably request it so he won’t be on his own.

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ZipZapZoom · 23/05/2024 21:08

albertoross · 23/05/2024 21:06

Because her kid is going to have to end up sat in a classroom on their own or with one other kid or in with the older kids. They'll wonder what's going on that means they don't get to go home when everyone else does

What makes you think the child will be in a classroom alone. The likelihood is there will be multiple parents who wish to send their child full time from day one. The child won't be wondering why everyone goes home but them any more than they would be wondering why they are back at nursery with the babies when they are meant to be at big school.

Bushmillsbabe · 23/05/2024 21:07

The settling in process isn't helpful I don't think. For children who have been in pre school or nursery full time it's a backwards step.
My 2nd started reception this year, abd I have an older one in year 3. From March I started gradually 'nudging' the head of EYFS to a less drawn out settling period, and we got it down from 3.5 weeks for all to 3 days for older children and 1.5 weeks for younger children.
And yes I was fully aware of her entitlement to full time school from day 1. But I also wanted to maintain a really positive relationship with the school my child would attend for the next 7 years of their life, rather than going in with an entitled attitude.

Whinge · 23/05/2024 21:07

Best to have a window of time to be able to iron out small issues before they become big ones.

How do you iron out problems like a child being overwhelmed by being in a busy class of 30 for a full day, if they've spent 3 weeks with just half the class and leaving at lunchtime?

Parker231 · 23/05/2024 21:07

OrangeLemonLime24 · 23/05/2024 21:04

’Entitled’
’Right’
’Tell’
‘Inform’
’Demand’
’Challenge’

All words used in this thread to talk about sending children in full time from day one AND other threads about taking children out for term time holidays!

Schools (and teachers) are not the enemy! We are just trying to do the best for ALL children in our care. We even do staggered starts in Secondary with Y7/12 starting before other years. You only start school once and for some it can be a really big deal. Best to have a window of time to be able to iron out small issues before they become big ones.

A staggered start may work best for some children but wouldn’t for mine which is why they went full time from day one including breakfast and after school club. Very common when there are two full time working parents.

albertoross · 23/05/2024 21:06

Whinge · 23/05/2024 20:51

Why should the OP pay another month of nursery fees, when she could send her child to school full time from the start of term?

Because her kid is going to have to end up sat in a classroom on their own or with one other kid or in with the older kids. They'll wonder what's going on that means they don't get to go home when everyone else does

OrangeLemonLime24 · 23/05/2024 21:04

’Entitled’
’Right’
’Tell’
‘Inform’
’Demand’
’Challenge’

All words used in this thread to talk about sending children in full time from day one AND other threads about taking children out for term time holidays!

Schools (and teachers) are not the enemy! We are just trying to do the best for ALL children in our care. We even do staggered starts in Secondary with Y7/12 starting before other years. You only start school once and for some it can be a really big deal. Best to have a window of time to be able to iron out small issues before they become big ones.

transformandriseup · 23/05/2024 20:57

I remember this post from last year and I am still so relieved DD's school had just a single half day setting session, the reception teacher thought this was the best idea. Others schools in the area were on half days until half term and a friend with a child at one of these schools asked for her child to go full time from day one.

Whinge · 23/05/2024 20:57

ZipZapZoom · 23/05/2024 20:52

And yet that happens at schools all over the country. The kids cope fine because it's what they are anticipating.

The children I find most unsettled are those who don't know whether they are coming or going, or why they only stay for lunch some days and not others, why granny picked them up yesterday but today it's auntie Kathy or why they are suddenly back in nursery the day they start big school.

Exactly. A classroom isn't just 10 children and 2 members of staff, and the school day doesn't end at lunchtime. So why do we think children settle any better by pretending that's what school is like for a week or longer? Children who start full time from day one understand this is what being at school is, and the vast majority cope with it. For those that struggle, staggered starts and half days are useful.

Emeraldsrock · 23/05/2024 20:56

They don’t need settling in days. Our school stopped this and everyone was much happier with it. The more parents go against and insist they have them full time from the start the more likely the school is to get rid of this pointless practice.

IggyAce · 23/05/2024 20:53

My son was at the school nursery 2.5 days per week and he started full time from day one. Those who had done mornings or afternoons over 5 days at the nursery or came from private day care did a week of half days.

ZipZapZoom · 23/05/2024 20:52

Namechange4765 · 23/05/2024 20:50

But part of the settling in is being in the new environment with fewer children - which isn't going to be the case if everyone sends their children in full-time.

And yet that happens at schools all over the country. The kids cope fine because it's what they are anticipating.

The children I find most unsettled are those who don't know whether they are coming or going, or why they only stay for lunch some days and not others, why granny picked them up yesterday but today it's auntie Kathy or why they are suddenly back in nursery the day they start big school.

Whinge · 23/05/2024 20:51

albertoross · 23/05/2024 20:48

You can afford them now though? I think you should consider putting him in nursery an extra month

Why should the OP pay another month of nursery fees, when she could send her child to school full time from the start of term?

Jiski · 23/05/2024 20:51

I’m a newbie I signed up a month or 2 ago

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Jiski · 23/05/2024 20:51

He doesn’t either.

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Namechange4765 · 23/05/2024 20:50

Whinge · 23/05/2024 20:44

Why didn't you save some A/L for this purpose? It's pretty widely known that pretty much all schools do this.

It's widely known that some schools do this. There are plenty who start full time from day one. The OP shouldn't have to save A/L to cover random half days, especially as staggered starts actually cause confusion and upset for many young children when starting school.

No one is saying staggered starts / settling in sessions shouldn't be available to children who need them, but the vast majorty of children cope better with the transition to school when they start full time from day one.

But part of the settling in is being in the new environment with fewer children - which isn't going to be the case if everyone sends their children in full-time.

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