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Is this normal when making an offer on House?

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offerquery · 23/05/2024 19:02

I've seen house to buy. It's been on the market for around two months or so. It's already been reduced in price online.

When it was reduced, I made an offer slightly under the asking price. After a couple of days they said they want full asking price.
So I immediately offered the full asking price.

Anyway, I haven't heard anything so I've just called the estate agents and they said the family want to think about it. So they will get back to me on Tuesday.

I was really confused about this because I've offered the full asking price so I'm not sure what there is to think about?

She said they feel somebody else might be interested in the property. I asked a couple of questions about this… It turns out the person who is "interested " hasn't sold their house and hasn't said they want to make an offer. They've simply said they like the house. But have not indicated at all that they are looking to make an offer.

I have a feeling I know who this is because when I was viewing the house for the second time, a woman was there and I heard her say that she likes the house and that was it. So I'm not sure if that's the person

I just don't understand. I'm not sure if they're trying to get more than the asking price from me. Or if they're just waiting to see if they get any other offers over the next few days?

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Dotjones · 24/05/2024 09:16

It really confused me when I bought my first flat that I offered the asking price and was told I had to wait for the seller to consider it. I'd assumed the asking price was what they wanted! (It wasn't "in the region of xxxx" or "offers in excess of yyyy" it was just listed as a price.)

ItsFuckingBoringFeedingEveryoneUntilYouDie · 24/05/2024 09:10

100% withdraw the offer this morning. You are being used by the agent and vendor to drive the price up.

Happened to us in a divorce sale. They wanted to maximize their individual share and kept telling people they had an offer 'close to asking price' so they could get offers at that and higher.

House we ended up with, we offered asking on the condition it was removed from the market immediately, no one else to view. They had people knocking on their door begging to look round, luckily for us they were decent people and refused.

Don't be surprised if, after the weekend, and no further offers are forthcoming, they come crawling back to you. At which point, you go back to your original offer.

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2024 09:06

offerquery · 24/05/2024 08:54

@TemuSpecialBuy
Im glad you ended up with a house you preferred. I was thinking of it differently because in my mind I thought they'd be eager to sell as quickly as possible to get the money from the house. Obviously not. Didn't think that about probate houses but I'll definitely bear that in mind now.

I think every situation is different. I had to sell a probate property and we were keen to sell as quickly as possible. Not just for the money but also because it can be emotionally difficult.

You may well get a good response from them next week but have to be patient over the weekend I feel and not phone the EA again.

Objectrelations · 24/05/2024 09:05

You keep saying it has been on for months with lots of viewings and yours is the only offer - but forgetting that it was attracting all these viewings at the higher asking price if I read you OP correctly.

So as soon as they dropped the price they have had your offer and continue to attract lots of viewings.

The sellers do seem to have quite a lot of potential buyers. I'm not surprised they are continuing viewings at the new lower asking price.

How much did they lower the price by?

Newbutoldfather · 24/05/2024 09:03

Until you exchange, you don’t own the house. Some estate agents continue to ‘quietly’ market a house until exchange.

I do think that everyone has their own ethics about house buying and selling. Personally I like to behave honourably until I am messed around. Then bets are off.

They clearly aren’t honourable (you should ethically accept an asking price offer unless it is a ‘weak’ buyer) so you don’t have to be either. If they come back and accept your offer, it clearly means they haven’t had a better one, so I would reduce it at that point.

Never think that you own a house before you do or that you need one particular house. It puts you in a very weak position.

offerquery · 24/05/2024 08:54

@TemuSpecialBuy
Im glad you ended up with a house you preferred. I was thinking of it differently because in my mind I thought they'd be eager to sell as quickly as possible to get the money from the house. Obviously not. Didn't think that about probate houses but I'll definitely bear that in mind now.

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Rycbar · 24/05/2024 08:26

We’re selling our house and we haven’t had any offers yet (although it’s not been on long).
We had a family who expressed they were interested but we showed them round and they picked apart everything in the house and were commenting on how much needed doing (it didn’t). We decided that if they made an offer we’d decline because they just gave off the vibes that even if they offered at asking they’d make it a nightmare and that they’d try and chip the price away at a later date!

TemuSpecialBuy · 24/05/2024 07:07

Im with @FredsRoses @LoobyDop on this
And agree probate reduces urgency.

We put multiple offers in on a probate places
We stop viewing any probates in the end because they either wanted us to wait 18m and/or were trying to squeeze every pound possible. We had multiple offers at or over asking price rejected.

Set up viewings and keep your options open.i was v upset about 1 of them but the house we ended up with was wayyyy better than the probates ones.

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2024 06:01

offerquery · 23/05/2024 20:47

@Theteapotsbrokenspout

I feel like that is what they were doing with me. I felt like I was bidding against myself. They then said about getting an extra £5000 above the asking price. So I said no and that I'm only willing to pay full asking price, but I'm not paying an additional £5000

Quite right.

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2024 06:00

offerquery · 23/05/2024 21:40

@LightsCameraBitchSmile
Couldn't they say it anyway to the viewers? Even if I pulled my offer tomorrow , they could still tell them that there is an offer on the table couldn't they? And then I lose it then either way.
I just don't get how someone would risk losing an offer Especially when they haven't had any others in all this time

The EA could still tell viewers the property has received an asking price offer - they could omit the little detail that the offer has subsequently been removed.

Personally I wouldn’t do anything more, just wait until after the weekend. It isn’t a great market at the moment so it’s probably unlikely they will receive a better offer than the one you have made whatever the EA says. But you definitely should demand a response next week.

Calamitousness · 24/05/2024 05:00

The English system is awful. I have done both. In Scotland it’s not always a closing date where the highest bidder wins. Far more often you make an early offer to avoid waiting for closing yes it’s offers over but you know how much to offer because you take advice from market experts in that area. Also the value is based on the survey which the buyer has done prior to your offer so you can have full acces to that before you decide to make your offer or not and you know what the mortgage companies will support you paying since it’s value based. You offer legally via solicitor with a date and time for acceptance eg. Seller must respond within 12 hours or offer is invalid sort of thing and it’s all completed within about 6 weeks. You agree move in date ant this time too. Easy. England. Not so much. Takes months and that was an easy no chain purchase.

Cucumberz · 24/05/2024 04:59

Continue looking for a house

offerquery · 24/05/2024 04:46

@Scarletttulips
They did email me a letter to say that my offer had been passed to them. I emailed them with my position.
I will email them tomorrow with a deadline.

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offerquery · 24/05/2024 04:44

@Ger1atricMillennial
Oh my god really? These people will try anything! It seems so daft to me to think of them playing silly games like that for an extra £5k when they could risk losing the sale. Glad it worked out for your parents.

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Ger1atricMillennial · 24/05/2024 01:58

This happened to my parents, cash buyer no chain offered full asking price.

They dicked them around and then when all the surveys were done said that there was another buyer could they up the offer by 5K. So my parents withdrew their offer at EOB.

Panicked call from EA next day.. the other offer "didn't come through" so my parents could now buy at full asking.

My parents offered 5K less than the original offer and it was accepted.

HirplesWithHaggis · 24/05/2024 00:49

Londonrach1 · 23/05/2024 21:04

Scottish system is awful in other ways...you have to pay for a survey before offering without knowing you get accepted...alot of money out for no reason. So glad not in Scotland. Had a friend buy in Scotland and now lives in Scotland but can't move as costs so much to pay for survey etc.

Op...sounds like they using you. Yes very normal but awful. Keep looking at other places.

In Scotland, the sellers pay for a home buyers report, which includes a mortgage valuation survey. It has been this way for many years, no potential purchaser has to pay for a survey. The Home Report is often (but not always) available as a downloadable pdf from rightmove, before you even view the property.

The Scottish system is not perfect, but this is misinformation.

SwimmingSnake · 24/05/2024 00:38

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Scarletttulips · 24/05/2024 00:27

You need to email the estate agents with you full and final offer, add in your house is sold and you have a mortgage ready to go and looking at 8 weeks completion time .
You don’t have to be a sitting duck.

You could say you want an answer in x days.

You have options you can use.

I have my fingers crossed it works out for you.

WineIsMyMainVice · 24/05/2024 00:25

Don’t trust the estate agents to have passed on your offer. Put your offer in writing, meaning that they are legally obliged to pass it on. State your position (first time buyer, or an offer on your current property etc) and that you have mortgage in place and when you will be in a position to move. Also give name and address of your solicitor and state that you’ve instructed them to act on your behalf. This will show vendors that you are serious and want to progress.
It worked for us! Good luck op.

SheerLucks · 24/05/2024 00:19

OP it's a buyers market right now so you have an advantage.

And it's not just buyers being dicked around. We put a second home on the market last September and the first viewer "fell in love" and offered the AP. We accepted but she eventually pulled out in late December (great timing) as she was apparently also building a dream home in Spain and costs had spiralled.

It was immensely stressful as we'd had to give notice to our tenant. We put the property back on the market in January expecting a similar turnaround, but we've only just agreed a sale this week!

Like you, we were so buoyant and optimistic last Autumn, but now feel rather more cynical and deflated about the whole thing...

Good luck! As PPs have said, the right place for you is out there, be it this current one or the next.

offerquery · 24/05/2024 00:17

@therealcookiemonster

I think I've already given myself away really as I've either phoned or emailed every day for updates. Which is probably why they are doing this, because I've seemed so keen.

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therealcookiemonster · 23/05/2024 23:26

offerquery · 23/05/2024 23:15

@justasking111

Well yes, this one the garden is completely overgrown. The pictures look different because they were taken months ago and the house has just been left.

Wish i hadn't set my heart on it.

Hi OP, I can tell from your posts you are a nice, gentle sort of person. unfortunately most estate agents have rather predatory instincts as their commission is based on sale price. I think you need to appear ruthless, as if you don't care either way (don't let them smell your urgency) and very much ready to walk away. whenever you make an offer don't increase it easily. the fact that you increased to full ap last time made them possibly think they can push you more.

you will get the right house for you, be prepared that there will be let downs on the way. don't contact them for now, let them field offers. there is a difference between lots of viewings and actual offers. go and see other properties and make other offers. you don't have to wait for these guys.

being chain free and having your mortgage in principle agreed, you are an attractive buyer to most sellers. who knows maybe there is something wrong with the property that you are not aware of and their twattishness might mean you have a lucky escape!

NigelHarmansNewWife · 23/05/2024 23:22

WilliamButt · 23/05/2024 19:07

We had an identical situation. House on market for a couple of months, we offered 3k under asking price, seller replied within 20 minutes to say she wanted full AP, which we immediately offered. She then went completely AWOL for over a week, even ghosting the estate agents. Eventually they rang and said she had accepted another offer. This was 4 years ago and I did check Zoopla out of curiosity and the house hasn't been sold for 7 years. She just got cold feet when it got real. It felt so spineless.

I don't get this as a strategy. What did you say was the reason for offering £3k under asking price? Because this just sounds like playing games to me if you immediately upped it to asking when they countered. And that would annoy me!

offerquery · 23/05/2024 23:15

@justasking111

Well yes, this one the garden is completely overgrown. The pictures look different because they were taken months ago and the house has just been left.

Wish i hadn't set my heart on it.

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justasking111 · 23/05/2024 22:55

offerquery · 23/05/2024 20:23

@FredsRoses

Really? I'd feel gutted to lose it in a way. The estate agent didn't seem bothered in the slightest when I said I was viewing other properties tomorrow.
Also, even if I pull out, couldn't they say that to the viewers tomorrow anyway?

I really believe in fate myself. I truly felt like this house was meant to be mine. The fact it has had so many views and no one has made an offer.
It has been sat empty for a year apparently.

Their family member who passed away 12 months ago lived there. She hadn't lived there long.

The neighbour said they have been through probate and everything already. And the neighbour also said they are very keen to sell.
There have been countless people viewing it every single week for the last 2 - 3 months but I'm the only one who's made an offer.

That might explain it. There's several people inheriting and one is being greedier. We've had that and walked away because the daughter wanted to sell quickly and the brother didn't.

Another probate one in our cul de sac three offspring arguing over the price. 18 months of arguments, weeds growing through the driveway, garden gone to pot. House got damp. They lost 50k in the end.

I know a sibling who fell out with her sister over 5k. It's not pretty.

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