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School attendance - is this allowed?

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UndertheCedartree · 23/05/2024 15:18

My DD is in Y7 at mainstream secondary and is autistic and very anxious.

HOY keeps chopping and changing plans for my DD with no consistency or communication. Essentially, on my side of it school are just making things worse.

As an example today there is a Reward Trip for those with over 100 achievement points and less than 8 behaviour points. My DD has 130 achievement points and 0 behaviour points but has been excluded from the trip as they felt they would need to send an LSA which they didn't want to. At our last meeting I expressed how unhappy and left out she was feeling as all her friends are going on the trip and naturally excitedly chatting about it at school as well as out of school. I was told by her HOY that they were planning a Reward Day at school for those who met the criteria but couldn't go on the trip for whatever reason. I've been asking for information about this but only been informed this morning that they decided to not do the Reward Day in the end!!

Her HOY has now decided to implement a new plan - I've not agreed with any of it as I find it inappropriate but the specific thing I wanted to ask about is his plan for me to bring DD in the morning and if they can't get her into school within 5 minutes I have to take her home. Presumably if I bring her in they can mark her as in on their attendance figures, but don't have to bother with giving her an education. Apparently I should then bring her back for afternoon school and if they can't get her in within 5 minutes I have to take her home again! So their attendance looks great but my DD gets no education. Is this allowed?

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labracadabras · 23/05/2024 18:47

UndertheCedartree · 23/05/2024 15:31

No, she hasn't. She got her autism diagnosis in January this year. School said she doesn't need/won't get an EHCP as they can meet her needs.

Then she can go on the trip can’t she

BusyMummy001 · 23/05/2024 18:46

From the position of Hindsight, I would get her an EHCP. You can go to the LEA directly (and use this example of discriminatory exclusion as evidence that the school is intentionally obstructing you) and request one. There are specialist lawyers who can represent you, even if it’s just to send the initial letter and rattle the school, the Board of Governors and the LEA.

My children have ASD (and one ADHD) diagnoses. Also had good behaviour etc. our school was deeply supportive, allowing us to bring either of them in late to by pass morning registration as it could sometimes be stressful (attendance was recorded at reception); and unlimited access to the Pastoral Hub on days when they might feel overwhelmed. Ie they did everything they could to encourage full and regular attendance. Your school is failing your child in their statutory obligations. I’m pissed off for her and for you.

UndertheCedartree · 23/05/2024 18:45

Piony · 23/05/2024 18:23

As well as PPs' advice, keep your own records of her attendance. I would also complete an absence form for every half day she is not actually in school and check (maybe on an app, maybe by periodically requesting the data from them) that they are recording her absences as such. You can also send in summary emails to their absence team/person which you can later use as evidence.

It's often the way that you are fighting the same battle on a micro and macro level.

I write in her planner each time she is absent so I have a full record of that.

Today they said it will be unauthorised absence 😒

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UndertheCedartree · 23/05/2024 18:37

Zeroperspective · 23/05/2024 18:18

Not RTFT... missing the point completely... do you think given the academic year is almost over the problems will improve next year as I assume will have a new HOY?

I've skim read your posts so I'd like to reiterate as others have said, this is discrimination and I've found simply using the phrase "disability discrimination" has suddenly cut through all the BS and the school back down V quickly! I also echo loudly how important it is to have EVERYTHING in writing, every conversation follow up with an email "as per our conversation date/time I'm writing to confirm we discussed/agreed as follows" Also if you are trying something new make sure the timeline is in writing "as agreed we will try xyz and reevaluate on the date to see if this has been successful" if you are waiting on a response "I look forward to hearing from you by date/time" and chase it up if you don't get a response by your deadline. Once they realise you are on the ball and willing to fight for you DD to have full access to the education she is entitled to you are less likely to have to fight as hard.

Definitely parent request an EHCP

And it goes without saying that you catch more flies with honey so absolutely express if you are angry but remain polite and don't raise your voice as you will automatically lose the higher ground, come on here and rant or type and send yourself the email full of expletives you'd love to send!

Finally be kind to yourself, you are not expected to know all her rights and what's the school chancing their arm etc so keep educating yourself, join the groups that do know this info on Facebook etc and keep fighting like you are doing. Parenting is bloody hard SEN or not but you are clearly doing a great job and are doing all you can to help your DD and her siblings. Good luck x

Well, obviously I'm hoping so! I met the teacher who is head of Y8 at Parents evening. She is DD's science teacher. I was impressed with her as she asked DD if the science goggles were comfortable for her and said she could get her different ones if she needed them (this teacher has only just taken over her science class.) She also discussed a way for DD to signal she needs help without putting her hand up. So hopefully she will be much better as HOY.

Thank you I'll make sure I do the emails and apply for EHCP.

Generally speaking I am always extremely pleasant and polite with school staff. I have a good relationship with everyone else I deal with. I did have a good relationship with the HOY but I think in the light of this thread probably because I was a bit of a walk over. When he told me there was no Reward Day (but also tried to gaslight me that he'd only said they were thinking about it!!) I saw red. And I did raise my voice. When I clearly told him I did not agree to any part of his plan he kept going on about how disappointed he was because he'd worked so hard to support my DD. I told him that just because he had a DD with autism did not mean he knew how to deal with any DC with autism, he said he 'had a deep understanding of autism' and I said 'No, you really don't.' He then told me how insulted he was! It was a right carry on! But I'll draw a line under it and try my best not to lose my temper in future.

I will keep fighting! And thank you for your kind words.

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Piony · 23/05/2024 18:23

As well as PPs' advice, keep your own records of her attendance. I would also complete an absence form for every half day she is not actually in school and check (maybe on an app, maybe by periodically requesting the data from them) that they are recording her absences as such. You can also send in summary emails to their absence team/person which you can later use as evidence.

It's often the way that you are fighting the same battle on a micro and macro level.

Rookangaroo4 · 23/05/2024 18:22

Apply for the EHCP yourself. You’ll regret not doing so long term. Look at IPSEA for advice and template letters. It’s nothing to do with school if you apply. They have no right to tell you she doesn’t need one and the decision is not theirs to make.

UndertheCedartree · 23/05/2024 18:19

MindTheAbyss · 23/05/2024 18:10

You also might want to join the Long Covid Kids Facebook group, OP. Debilitating fatigue and compromised immunity are really common symptoms of LC, and there are plenty of kids in the group who are ND. Good luck xx

Thank you, I'll have a look.

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UndertheCedartree · 23/05/2024 18:19

Oblomov24 · 23/05/2024 17:42

DD is "fine" according to HoY. Ph purlease. Start pushing OP. And play the game, as others have suggested everything in writing to form a paper trail.

I will do. This thread has been enormously helpful for me to understand how to deal with it.

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Zeroperspective · 23/05/2024 18:18

Not RTFT... missing the point completely... do you think given the academic year is almost over the problems will improve next year as I assume will have a new HOY?

I've skim read your posts so I'd like to reiterate as others have said, this is discrimination and I've found simply using the phrase "disability discrimination" has suddenly cut through all the BS and the school back down V quickly! I also echo loudly how important it is to have EVERYTHING in writing, every conversation follow up with an email "as per our conversation date/time I'm writing to confirm we discussed/agreed as follows" Also if you are trying something new make sure the timeline is in writing "as agreed we will try xyz and reevaluate on the date to see if this has been successful" if you are waiting on a response "I look forward to hearing from you by date/time" and chase it up if you don't get a response by your deadline. Once they realise you are on the ball and willing to fight for you DD to have full access to the education she is entitled to you are less likely to have to fight as hard.

Definitely parent request an EHCP

And it goes without saying that you catch more flies with honey so absolutely express if you are angry but remain polite and don't raise your voice as you will automatically lose the higher ground, come on here and rant or type and send yourself the email full of expletives you'd love to send!

Finally be kind to yourself, you are not expected to know all her rights and what's the school chancing their arm etc so keep educating yourself, join the groups that do know this info on Facebook etc and keep fighting like you are doing. Parenting is bloody hard SEN or not but you are clearly doing a great job and are doing all you can to help your DD and her siblings. Good luck x

UndertheCedartree · 23/05/2024 18:17

INeedToClingToSomething · 23/05/2024 17:15

Have you actually said "this is disability discrimination"? My DS's school tried to prevent him going on a trip because he is autistic and has ADHD. I mentioned the D word and they very quickly backtracked and accommodated him. They can't just exclude her because of her disability.

No, I didn't realise it was discrimination. Now I do I'll be complaining.

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Snackarooney · 23/05/2024 18:16

Apply for an ehcp yourself check your LA local offer and you should find out how to by there if they say no to asses ask for mediation do not let them do this to her, they are not meeting her needs. If they are so adamant they are meeting her needs then an EHCP shouldn't bother them it will only make sure they have to carry on meeting her needs.

UndertheCedartree · 23/05/2024 18:15

Onlinemum22 · 23/05/2024 16:59

Get an EHCP.
Without one they can pretend to cater for her under 'Ordinary Provision' and are not legally required to give her the right support.
With an EHCP they are forced to pay for her 1:1 and any additional support required.

They are doing this to avoid spending money.

I see. I thought without an EHCP they would be spending their own money on her support and that's why I believed them that she wouldn't get one!

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UndertheCedartree · 23/05/2024 18:12

Thank you I'll have a look.

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UndertheCedartree · 23/05/2024 18:11

Love51 · 23/05/2024 16:54

You can be proactive and contact the local authority inclusion staff yourself. I would in these circumstances. Especially I'd mention the trip and the fact that you need one named contact at school, whoever in the SEN team you find helpful, not HoY. They will probably go for that, it is an easily achievable idea to put on a plan.

Ok, I'll do that.

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MindTheAbyss · 23/05/2024 18:10

You also might want to join the Long Covid Kids Facebook group, OP. Debilitating fatigue and compromised immunity are really common symptoms of LC, and there are plenty of kids in the group who are ND. Good luck xx

Oblomov24 · 23/05/2024 17:42

DD is "fine" according to HoY. Ph purlease. Start pushing OP. And play the game, as others have suggested everything in writing to form a paper trail.

FloofyBird · 23/05/2024 17:18

So basically they've discriminated acted against her with her the trip and they want to informally (unlawfully!) exclude her?! wtf!

INeedToClingToSomething · 23/05/2024 17:15

Have you actually said "this is disability discrimination"? My DS's school tried to prevent him going on a trip because he is autistic and has ADHD. I mentioned the D word and they very quickly backtracked and accommodated him. They can't just exclude her because of her disability.

BrumToTheRescue · 23/05/2024 17:09

OP should request an EHCNA, but even without an EHCP the school must make reasonable adjustments under the Equality Act and must make their best endeavours to meet DC’s SEN under the CAFA. They must not discriminate against DD.

Onlinemum22 · 23/05/2024 16:59

UndertheCedartree · 23/05/2024 15:31

No, she hasn't. She got her autism diagnosis in January this year. School said she doesn't need/won't get an EHCP as they can meet her needs.

Get an EHCP.
Without one they can pretend to cater for her under 'Ordinary Provision' and are not legally required to give her the right support.
With an EHCP they are forced to pay for her 1:1 and any additional support required.

They are doing this to avoid spending money.

T1Dmama · 23/05/2024 16:56

UndertheCedartree · 23/05/2024 16:06

The thing about the school trip is I don't think she would have needed an LSA anyway. But I'll be ensuring she is included on the Y8 trip one way or another. But to say they were going to do something fun and then let her down last minute has made me so angry!

So if she comes into school they can mark her as in school on the register. After that point if she goes home it doesn't affect their attendance figures for that session.

I’d be forwarding this email to the head teacher and stating that this is manipulation of attendance figures and denying your DD an education that she is legally entitled to.
The school trip is absolutely disability discrimination and by not allowing her to attend they’ve broken the law!

Love51 · 23/05/2024 16:54

UndertheCedartree · 23/05/2024 15:57

Thank you, I will do.

Aside from this HOY I've actually found the SEN department to be really good. He just likes to interfere. So I'll speak to the SEN department we'll have a plan in place and then he gets involved and over rides it. To be honest this is the only school in our area that I believe could meet her needs. My only other option is Home Ed.

I have an appointment with the attendance and welfare officer and LEA next month so was going to bring it up there.

I've had a row with the HOY on the phone this morning and made it very clear I don't want him involved in plans for my DD anymore. The attendance/welfare lady has stepped in now. We'll see how that goes.

You can be proactive and contact the local authority inclusion staff yourself. I would in these circumstances. Especially I'd mention the trip and the fact that you need one named contact at school, whoever in the SEN team you find helpful, not HoY. They will probably go for that, it is an easily achievable idea to put on a plan.

UndertheCedartree · 23/05/2024 16:46

T1Dmama · 23/05/2024 16:37

This trip and the fact they could facilitate her attending proves otherwise!
You need to apply for an EHCP yourself through the local council. School don’t need to be involved or give permission for you to apply and start giving evidence.
The new plan that you have to have her in within 5 minutes or she doesn’t go in also evidences that they can’t support her, they should be enabling her to go in, not just sending you away with her.
How stressful for her going back and forth, I would be refusing to take her home and putting in an official complaint about her exclusion from both school and from the trip. If school can not facilitate children with disabilities then the trip does not go ahead for anyone… it really is that simple! Anything else is disability discrimination!
official complaint (marked as such!) and quote disability laws (disability act 2010 and the families act).
What they are doing is illegal!
Please apply for an EHCP ASAP!!

Thank you, I will do!

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