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Should I risk this holiday after all?

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SlovenlyOldSlut · 23/05/2024 11:58

I’ll try (and probably fail) to keep this short…

A group of six of us go away together two or three times a year. Sometimes we won’t all go if we’re struggling to get the same time off; sometimes other mutual friends may join us. But it’s us six at the core.

My friends Mike and Louise (married couple) are very close to Louise’s sister, Kate, and she’s been away with us a few times. We all get on really well, so when it was her 30th birthday, she invited the whole group to join her on her birthday weekend away.

The only person going who I hadn’t met yet was a woman called Cathy. Like me, she met Kate through Mike and Louise. I was travelling up with them and all the way they were saying, “I can’t believe you haven’t met Cathy before; she’s so nice, such a laugh, you’ll love her…”

Of course, this was the kiss of death 🙄 I found Cathy rude, domineering and generally a pain. She kept interrupting people, which is one of my pet peeves; she made quite a harsh judgement about one of my friends; some of the things she claimed about herself were at best suspicious and at worst just lies.

On the last day, we were all chatting about our favourite holiday resort, which is lovely but expensive. Mike said “Why don’t we plan in advance for next year and get a big villa? If we book quickly we can get a deal”. Everyone was very keen, including me. Then I heard Mike say, “You’ve never been before, have you Cathy? You’ll love it”.

My heart absolutely sank. It was entirely my own fault - of course he was including her in the invitation when she was sitting right there, but I’d heard “we” and automatically thought of our usual group. I’d been very enthusiastic a few moments before, so I couldn’t suddenly say “Oh well actually, I’m not sure”, but I was already planning my excuses. The thought of a week in a villa with her made me shudder.

However, salvation may have come in the form of procrastination and indecision 😄 Basically every time someone suggests a particular villa, someone else finds a problem: it’s too small, too expensive, too far from town… Anyway, two of my friends have clearly got fed up waiting and have messaged the group saying they’re booking their own accommodation and to go ahead with the villa without them.

Should I do the same? Obviously I’d rather Cathy wasn’t going at all, but it’s not like I can ask for her to be uninvited! So maybe being able to have my own accommodation, and somewhere to escape to when she gets too much, could be the answer. Maybe I’ll find her less difficult in a more relaxed setting - after all, three of my close friends think she’s fantastic, so I could be missing something. Or am I burying my head in the sand?

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SlovenlyOldSlut · 28/05/2024 11:54

Thank you for all the replies! I thought this thread had died, so was surprised to see it reappear in my watched list. All advice is appreciated 🙂

Personally unless I really intensively disliked her I’d maybe try one more trip to see how I got on before making a final decision.

This is what I’m thinking. If three of my close friends think she’s great, maybe I’m missing something? Or maybe they’re missing the red flags and I’m right - but I don’t want to exclude myself without knowing.

I’m trying not to give too much detail to avoid being outing, but a) the trip for Kate’s birthday didn’t really allow for “alone time” if anyone needed it, whereas this one would and b) there are reasons why Cathy probably wouldn’t be coming on every trip we take, so hopefully she wouldn’t become a permanent fixture!

You don’t need to stay in the same villa to realise you do/don’t like someone though. Definitely book alternative accommodation. If it turns out you like her, well that’s great! And if you still don’t like her then you haven’t ruined your holiday forcing yourself to live alongside her for a week in the same accommodation. Please update us after the holiday and let us know how it went. Good luck 😅

Ireallywantadoughnut36 · 30/05/2024 17:41

Can you plead poverty... when I was younger I would be too embarrassed to do this, but I've started doing it now I'm in my late 30s and it's a god send! Nobody can say anything! They can't talk you round, just say "gosh I'm so sorry, I didn't check my savings and looks like it won't work this year"
Or book your own accomodation and see how it goes, you might warm to her. Maybe she's a bit of a pain with new people and was desperate to impress you, so made up some lies which you saw through! She might calm down once you get to know her - wouldn't risk a week in a villa on it though!

NoThanksymm · 29/05/2024 01:42

yeah. Pick b a friend or two that you like and get your own villa. Hopefully she accidentally gets excluded.

cockadoodledandy · 28/05/2024 19:49

Was she outnumbered in terms of people she knew vs didn’t know? Ie did you know everyone apart form her, whereas she only knew Mike, Louise and Kate? It sounds like she was maybe wanting people to like her so making an extra effort to sound interesting. It’s always difficult integrating with an established group.

Is it possible you’re a little jealous OP? I do tend to find when I take a dislike to someone like this that a) I’m jealous of them in some way and b) it’s obvious to everyone that I feel like that. Just be careful not to ostracise yourself.

SlovenlyOldSlut · 28/05/2024 11:54

Thank you for all the replies! I thought this thread had died, so was surprised to see it reappear in my watched list. All advice is appreciated 🙂

Personally unless I really intensively disliked her I’d maybe try one more trip to see how I got on before making a final decision.

This is what I’m thinking. If three of my close friends think she’s great, maybe I’m missing something? Or maybe they’re missing the red flags and I’m right - but I don’t want to exclude myself without knowing.

I’m trying not to give too much detail to avoid being outing, but a) the trip for Kate’s birthday didn’t really allow for “alone time” if anyone needed it, whereas this one would and b) there are reasons why Cathy probably wouldn’t be coming on every trip we take, so hopefully she wouldn’t become a permanent fixture!

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BadLad · 28/05/2024 00:39

Cathy?

Is this her?

Should I risk this holiday after all?
Johnthesensible · 27/05/2024 23:02

If so many of the group find her so appealing....maybe look at your future with the group. There will be times in the future where she will be going on another trip somewhere with you all.

Ginkypig · 27/05/2024 21:57

5foot5 · 23/05/2024 15:59

Hmm.

If Cathy has now become an "official" member of the group and is likely to be invited to and participates in future holidays, then I think you are either going to have to learn to live with her or accept your group holiday days are over.

I agree with this.

im not happy that I’m agreeing for your sake but this might be true and if it is pulling out of one holiday especially if she goes only puts her in your place for future holidays. 10 years on there may still be a core group but instead of you it’ll be her.
so either

you need to talk to your friends about how you feel. Or even one close friend in confidence to get an opinion from someone else.

pull out without explanation but be ready for this to become a regular thing, which means you not going leading to you potentially not ever going.

find a way to be ok with her potentially becoming part of the group.

Personally unless I really intensively disliked her I’d maybe try one more trip to see how I got on before making a final decision.

Creamteasandbumblebees · 27/05/2024 21:46

I wouldn't go. My holidays are sacred and I want everything (that is under my control) to be perfect. I wouldn't want to waste my time or money going on holiday with someone that got on my nerves.

cheddercherry · 23/05/2024 16:45

Nah there is nothing worse than a disappointing holiday with someone you can’t stand, even if you sleep somewhere else all your socialising time will be taken over and the dynamic will be different. Plus if you go then it solidifies this being the new group moving forward so I’d probably just coincidentally bow out of plans involving her if she’s that bad.

LookItsMeAgain · 23/05/2024 16:07

I'd just bow out of this holiday because no matter what, Cathy is going to be involved in some way shape or form, be that sitting around poolside or at mealtimes/going out socially.

I'd just put a message on WhatsApp saying something like this:
"Hi everyone, I think it was my excitement talking when I was at Mike & Louise's recently regarding going away as a group. Unfortunately I will have to bow out of this years trip, so no need to include me on the comms for it. If the situation changes or I'm able to go away later on in the year, I'll let you know - in the meantime, enjoy yourselves"

Step back but don't step away.

5foot5 · 23/05/2024 15:59

Hmm.

If Cathy has now become an "official" member of the group and is likely to be invited to and participates in future holidays, then I think you are either going to have to learn to live with her or accept your group holiday days are over.

SlovenlyOldSlut · 23/05/2024 15:46

Confortableorwhat · 23/05/2024 14:45

Do the other friends feel the same, and this is their way of avoiding sharing accomodation with Cathy?

I'd see if I can join them.

It’s possible. Although one half of that couple is hyper-organised, so it’s equally possible that he’s thought “FFS, we’ll be waiting forever if we wait for everyone to agree on somewhere” and just went ahead and booked 😄

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Ooral · 23/05/2024 15:25

Merryoldgoat · 23/05/2024 12:39

I wouldn’t go. I’m too old to waste my holiday on people I don’t like.

This

Colombie · 23/05/2024 15:02

SlovenlyOldSlut · 23/05/2024 14:42

It would be me, Mike and Louise, Mike’s sister and her partner and Cathy. Possibly one other.

ok basically I would suggest talk to your friends in the original group who are not Mike, Louise, Kate and/or Kate's partner.

You'll likely get more out of a phone call than texts.

The ones who've booked their own might invite you to join them. If another is on the fence you can make a plan together. Or just let it slide this time and maybe try to organise the next one as a smaller group. But you actually used the word "shudder" in your OP which makes this villa sound like a risky choice to use your precious annual leave on.

StripedTomatoes · 23/05/2024 14:58

I wouldn't go either. Although, check that Cathy is definitely actually going before you pull out!

Confortableorwhat · 23/05/2024 14:54

Arlanymor · 23/05/2024 14:50

This, definitely.

I think it makes a massive difference if you've got your own space on group holidays

SuncreamAndIceCream · 23/05/2024 14:53

Confortableorwhat · 23/05/2024 14:45

Do the other friends feel the same, and this is their way of avoiding sharing accomodation with Cathy?

I'd see if I can join them.

This was my first thought I have to admit

Arlanymor · 23/05/2024 14:50

Leeds2 · 23/05/2024 12:50

I wouldn't go, as I imagine everyone will be spending the days/evenings together anyway. Just being able to sleep in separate locations wouldn't do it for me.

This, definitely.

YorkNew · 23/05/2024 14:47

I wouldn’t go.

Confortableorwhat · 23/05/2024 14:45

Do the other friends feel the same, and this is their way of avoiding sharing accomodation with Cathy?

I'd see if I can join them.

SlovenlyOldSlut · 23/05/2024 14:42

Colombie · 23/05/2024 13:54

You say there are 6 of you - if 2 friends have made their own plans does that just leave Mike, Louise, Kate, Cathy and you in the villa?

If there is another friend left in the villa maybe give them a ring and see how the land lies with them ...

It would be me, Mike and Louise, Mike’s sister and her partner and Cathy. Possibly one other.

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bananaboats · 23/05/2024 14:03

I wouldn't go either and maybe try and arrange something with the core group at a later date.

Colombie · 23/05/2024 13:54

You say there are 6 of you - if 2 friends have made their own plans does that just leave Mike, Louise, Kate, Cathy and you in the villa?

If there is another friend left in the villa maybe give them a ring and see how the land lies with them ...

OrigamiOwls · 23/05/2024 13:45

Unless it was a holiday destination that I was absolutely desperate to go to and would never get the chance again, then I would sit this one out. A holiday with someone that winds you up this much is going to be no fun.

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