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Teenage reality hitting home

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Globules · 23/05/2024 07:09

My teenagers will be voting their first GE.

We had a chat last night about it, and the conclusion they've come to is that their age group is screwed.

Uni loans, house prices, single life.

DS actually held his head in his hands recognising that his £30k house deposit is pointless until his salary is at a ridiculously high level to service a mortgage.

DD pointed out all of the parties are being silent on policies around their age group.

Whilst they have every right to feel negative about it all, they're optimistic beans. I was listening to them talking and feeling so despondent that life ahead looks so tough for them.

I was married aged 22. Bought our first house aged 24 on just my basic teacher salary (he was self employed, so he was a dependent). They just don't have the same outlook, do they?

I really feel for our under 25s. Just me?

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1offnamechange · 24/05/2024 22:13

Globules · 23/05/2024 07:39

He's not a graduate.

He's a teenager working in a shop on £18k pa

His salary is unlikely to get to mortgage levels for a long time.

Edited

but not many 18 year olds would expect or want to get onto the housing ladder in the near future?
the average age now of 1st time buyers is 34, by the time he's that age it will likely be higher. He already has a large amount saved, in twenty years he could be on a good salary even if he stays in retail. He could meet someone else, if they also have a £30kplus deposit and a decent salary they'll be fine. Why are you a) equating his life happiness with owning a house and b) so convinced this is an impossibility?
Owning a house has never been the perogative of the vast majority. The absolute peak of ownership was in 1991, and that was 57%.
I appreciate it's harder for young people now in some ways, but in other ways things are better than ever before. When people are comparing lives of previous generations, how far are you wanting to go back to?

Yes my parents (born in 60s) bought their first house in their early 20s, but neither of them stayed in school past 16, they didn't travel abroad until their honeymoon, my mum didn't have an indoor loo until she was in school - not an easier life than mine.
Yes my grandparents (born in 30s) inherited a house and could run a household on one manual workers salary - but my gran grew up with 4 siblings (the same house with no bathroom!) in a 2 and a half bed house and didn't have her own bed until she was 12. My grandads mother died when he was young of something that would have been curable today, and he had to do conscription. Neither of them were educated past 15 - not an easier life than mine.
Great-grandparents (born 1900s) left school before 14, bought up 4 kids (and had 2 that died of things that would have likely been curable today), in same tiny house with no bathroom, lived through WW1 and 2, never went abroad, no chance of 'careers' - not an easier life than mine.

SilentSilhouette · 24/05/2024 22:08

Iwasafool · 24/05/2024 21:33

£18k isn't minimum wage for a teenager working part time.

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Exactly. He's only a teenager so PLENTY of time to buy a house! And with a £30k deposit then much better off than other teenagers!

ssd · 24/05/2024 22:07

Is the 30k inheritance money or did he actually save it up himself?

Globules · 24/05/2024 21:53

SilentSilhouette · 24/05/2024 21:24

£18k means he is on minimum wage and working part time so not comparable to your teaching salary.

Full time over 21 on minimum wage is nearly £21k a year.

And on £21k plus a £30k deposit that gives him £110k to £130k budget which in many areas will buy you a nice property.

He's full time

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HolyGrapefruit · 24/05/2024 21:41

Hereyoume · 23/05/2024 09:46

Well.

Housing is a problem which could be sorted tomorrow. The "crisis" has been caused all the stupid fucking moronic, myopic, dickheads who wanted everything regulated and insisted on "standards" for everything.

Twenty years ago you could rent a converted garage for a few hundred quid a month. Or a dodgy flat for a little bit more. If you wanted to splash out and get a "naice" apartment in the bay, you could. You had choice.

But NO! that wasn't good enough was it!

We HAD to "improve" things, no flat could ever be damp, or cold, or have sketchy door locks.

We insisted on making landlords lives so difficult that they left the business, taking all those properties with them.

I lived in some sketchy places in my time, places with questionable electrics and rough decor. But it was an address, a roof over my head, and it gave me a start. But stupid do-gooders have taken that away from our children.

The moronic dickheads would prefer that our current crop of young people are homeless or depressed instead. Much better to have a 20 year old who can't afford a home of their own than "allow" them to live in a cheap dodgy flat that would give them autonomy and a sense of momentum.

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I'm guessing you haven't rented recently?

All the properties my Dc has rented over the last few years have fitted this description in some way or other. That hasn't stopped her paying through the nose for them.

Iwasafool · 24/05/2024 21:33

SilentSilhouette · 24/05/2024 21:24

£18k means he is on minimum wage and working part time so not comparable to your teaching salary.

Full time over 21 on minimum wage is nearly £21k a year.

And on £21k plus a £30k deposit that gives him £110k to £130k budget which in many areas will buy you a nice property.

£18k isn't minimum wage for a teenager working part time.

SilentSilhouette · 24/05/2024 21:24

Globules · 23/05/2024 07:33

The deposit is not the problem. It's the £18k salary he's on and the amount it will need to be to get a mortgage to buy the rest of the property.

The builder paid the deposit on our £63k first property. We never even had to have a deposit.

£18k means he is on minimum wage and working part time so not comparable to your teaching salary.

Full time over 21 on minimum wage is nearly £21k a year.

And on £21k plus a £30k deposit that gives him £110k to £130k budget which in many areas will buy you a nice property.

Mytholmroyd · 24/05/2024 21:14

YaWeeFurryBastard · 24/05/2024 20:17

Well I hope all these parents bemoaning how fortunate they are to have bought a house for peanuts are ready and willing to give their DC a substantial financial helping hand now things are tougher?

There was a thread on here recently that was looking at where and what you could afford to buy for 100k and in many parts of the north, Wales and Scotland you can still get a decent terraced or semi-detached house for that in a not too shabby area.

Mytholmroyd · 24/05/2024 21:11

I remember seeing an article 20-30 years or so ago that was tracking the houses generations of the same families were living in/ able to afford when they started off with great grandparents living in very large houses/country estates - it was definitely all downhill!

ssd · 24/05/2024 20:54

Sorry but your ds had his head in his hands due to only having a 30k deposit???

Meanwhile in the real world...

SilverGlitterBaubles · 24/05/2024 20:19

A large number of under 40s I know and work with are renting. The rents are extortionate but they have no hope of buying. We are talking people on decent wages here who are struggling to rent. It was not like this 10 years ago. The whole system is broken now. If people earning a good salary cannot afford to live, we are in deep trouble.

YaWeeFurryBastard · 24/05/2024 20:17

Well I hope all these parents bemoaning how fortunate they are to have bought a house for peanuts are ready and willing to give their DC a substantial financial helping hand now things are tougher?

Pollipops1 · 24/05/2024 20:13

But in all seriousness if your dc can go abroad I would encourage that. The ageing population and the lack of planning for it is going to mean even more of a rough deal.

Pollipops1 · 24/05/2024 20:12

At the end of the day it's not handed to you on a plate. Move abroad, move North.

Yes all young people abound move abroad

Mitsky · 24/05/2024 20:07

I am twice your son’s age. At 18 none of my friends and I had £30,000 saved or were earning £18,000 a year. Most of us bought our homes in very late 20s or early 30s.

It feels like a premature thing to be worrying about.

hallope · 24/05/2024 20:05

My DS is 25 and autistic. He's unlikely to ever move out or earn much more than min wage part time. In a way the current situation evens things out for him and makes him less of an oddity to be living at home in his 20s.

Ellie525 · 24/05/2024 20:03

Totally agree its depressing for that age bracket!!! Get so tired of the "we had it tough too" brigade when house prices/salaries are so far out of reach for so many now 😭

Am encouraged that your DC want to vote tho!! The more under 30s vote the more parties will have to gear themselves towards them (hopefullt!))

coxesorangepippin · 24/05/2024 20:01

Yes, my son said “we are not the same as you. The earth is dying, there’s going to be a war, everything is hopeless, what do we have to live for.”

^

I'm sure a few young men said this in 1939

At the end of the day it's not handed to you on a plate. Move abroad, move North.

BitOutOfPractice · 24/05/2024 20:01

No it’s not just you. I really feel for our youngsters. It’s so much tougher now. Our only hope is to get a Labour government in and try to redress the balance a bit.

Pollipops1 · 24/05/2024 19:59

Soon there won’t be enough young people to impact the vote! The average age is 40 I think and there are already more over 65s than under 15s.

WonderingWanda · 24/05/2024 19:56

In the nicest possible way why at 18 has he decided to settle on an 18k a year job with no prospects? What about learning a trade or doing an apprenticeship, thinking about careers with a few more options to move up the ranks?

Pollipops1 · 24/05/2024 19:56

It’s a bit worrying that young people have been so ignored. What happens to those generations as they age.

Social mobility has gone backwards & really the most important thing now is if your parents own their own home &/or can help you as opposed to job/salary. No wonder birth rates are so low.

Gallowayan · 24/05/2024 19:53

One of the reasons they are forgotten is they tend not to vote.

bringmorewashing · 24/05/2024 19:50

Yes, you're absolutely right. It's shocking how hard things are now. I would still encourage your son to think of the substantial advantages he does have - a 30K deposit at that age. An obviously supportive parent. A job, even if it's nothing special right now. He has more going for him than many his age. Obviously that doesn't help the wider issue, but it's sad to think he's despairing (though understandable!)

XiCi · 24/05/2024 19:48

He's 18. At that age I wasn't remotely interested in a mortgage. I just wanted to go to uni, have fun and travel which I did and had an amazing time like you're supposed to in your youth. We rented till we found somewhere we wanted to settle in our early 30s and bought then. I'd be encouraging him to lighten up and enjoy himself. He's immensely privileged to have 30k in the bank. There's a lot he can do with that. Buying a property isn't the main ambition he should have in life, especially at that age.