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Who are you voting for?

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rsmama27 · 22/05/2024 19:27

The general feeling on social media is that the Tories will be obliterated in the upcoming GE. AIBU to not be surprised if they get voted in again?

I'll be voting Labour as I have always done.

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peakygold · 23/05/2024 16:55

Reform. Our local candidate missed being elected by a whisker in the by-election. He will definitely get in for a GE.

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 23/05/2024 16:53

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 23/05/2024 15:37

What a pile of risible nonsense 😆

The SG literally can not "overspend", and usually returns a small surplus for that very reason.

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Why have they been bailed out then?

Jellycatspyjamas · 23/05/2024 16:52

So I ask again... Why is the expectation that the SNP should be able to correct all the failings in Scottish public sector provision, when the Westminster government performs even more poorly with added freedoms and options available to them?*

I don’t think correcting the whole of the public sector, but part of it. We pay the highest taxes in the UK, and too much of that money is wasted on vanity projects rather than investing in health, policing, education and social work - core services that make a difference to those same tax payers.

If they used the money they have more wisely, I’d consider whether they were being hamstrung by Westminster.

cavalier · 23/05/2024 16:49

Absolutely… women need to be more aware of this.
No safe spaces … can’t describe what a born biology woman has for sex organs
Labour give me the ick

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 23/05/2024 16:46

Labour

ginasevern · 23/05/2024 16:39

Lilifer · 22/05/2024 22:46

" Don't let perfect be the enemy of good"

But Labour are not any good either - the Labour Party of 2024 is unrecogniseable to me compared to the Labour Party that I grew up with in 70s and 80s

You do realise that it isn't the 70's or 80's anymore don't you. Politics, people, attitudes and the rest are constantly evolving. It would be impossible for almost anything to stand still. Politics has to represent the world of the present (and hopefully the future) not what was happening in 1973.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 23/05/2024 15:37

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 23/05/2024 15:33

No because the British government has had to bail out the SNP multiple times in the last 10 years as they’ve overspent, and that’s with a more generous budget than they would have otherwise 😬

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What a pile of risible nonsense 😆

The SG literally can not "overspend", and usually returns a small surplus for that very reason.

millymoo1202 · 23/05/2024 15:37

I’ve always voted SNP but not this time, think I’ll have to do a tactical vote so probably Lib Dem’s to get Tories out

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 23/05/2024 15:33

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 23/05/2024 15:27

The Barnett Formula does not permit the Scottish Government to borrow, nor does it provide the freedom of choice that being fully independent does with regard to how a Government chooses to divide and spend revenue.

So I ask again... Why is the expectation that the SNP should be able to correct all the failings in Scottish public sector provision, when the Westminster government performs even more poorly with added freedoms and options available to them?

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No because the British government has had to bail out the SNP multiple times in the last 10 years as they’ve overspent, and that’s with a more generous budget than they would have otherwise 😬

Pheasantplucker2 · 23/05/2024 15:32

Mine will be a tactical vote to get the Tories out. #ABC (anyone but Conservative)

AwaaFaeHom · 23/05/2024 15:29

TamD71 · 23/05/2024 15:20

We are in a newly created constituency and I have just checked the candidates registered- Tory, Lib dem, Green, Reform. Does that mean Labour won't be putting a candidate forward or can they still announce someone?

There's still plenty time to register a candidate. I think they'll have until early June - iirc the deadline is roughly four weeks before the election.

BIossomtoes · 23/05/2024 15:28

TamD71 · 23/05/2024 15:20

We are in a newly created constituency and I have just checked the candidates registered- Tory, Lib dem, Green, Reform. Does that mean Labour won't be putting a candidate forward or can they still announce someone?

They can still announce a candidate. Lots of constituencies still have to confirm candidates.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 23/05/2024 15:27

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 23/05/2024 13:52

the Barnett formula mean they get more than they would if devolved fully

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The Barnett Formula does not permit the Scottish Government to borrow, nor does it provide the freedom of choice that being fully independent does with regard to how a Government chooses to divide and spend revenue.

So I ask again... Why is the expectation that the SNP should be able to correct all the failings in Scottish public sector provision, when the Westminster government performs even more poorly with added freedoms and options available to them?

TamD71 · 23/05/2024 15:20

We are in a newly created constituency and I have just checked the candidates registered- Tory, Lib dem, Green, Reform. Does that mean Labour won't be putting a candidate forward or can they still announce someone?

BIossomtoes · 23/05/2024 15:06

frankentall · 23/05/2024 14:41

I will be voting Labour but my vote will count for nothing as even if the local Tory was caught stabbing kittens they would get elected where I live.

Weeeell, you say that. I live in one of those places too but, partially down to Reform splitting the right vote, Labour has its best ever chance of winning here this time.

Treelichen · 23/05/2024 14:52

Lib dem

frankentall · 23/05/2024 14:41

I will be voting Labour but my vote will count for nothing as even if the local Tory was caught stabbing kittens they would get elected where I live.

frankentall · 23/05/2024 14:40

Nanalisa60 · 23/05/2024 12:45

Having lived with a few Labour governments I’m terrified of what this country will be like in ten years time. So it’s Torry for me , even considering REFORM put that might be a step to far. But I have noticed the MSM are completely ignoring Reform Like they don’t exist !! Which make me wonder why are the scared of what they have to say!!

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MariaVT65 · 23/05/2024 14:37

I will be waiting to see what info comes out of the campaigns and more detailed manifestos before I make up my mind. I want to see more detail about how money will be spent by Labour. Never voted them before. I will also be looking at whether they intend to change the increased nursery hours funding that is what most has the immediate impact in our household.

DignityAlwaysDignity · 23/05/2024 14:34

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 23/05/2024 13:52

the Barnett formula mean they get more than they would if devolved fully

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No, they actually get less than if "devolved fully", if by that you mean independence. Barnett gives the devolved nations a pro-rata percentage of whatever England's budget is, regardless of hoe much these nations pay into the pot. Scotland gets back approximately 80% of what it pays in, versus keeping 100% of its own money as most normal independent countries do.

Itsrainingten · 23/05/2024 14:13

OhmygodDont · 22/05/2024 19:35

Not labour 😂 so fuck knows right now. Maybe I’ll let one of the kids pick on the day.

I wouldn't do that if I were you. Mine wanted me to vote for Count Binface for London Mayor because his manifesto included fixing the price of croissants at £1.20 or less. (I didn't go with his recommendation btw)

LakieLady · 23/05/2024 14:09

I live in a Con/LD marginal, so I'll be voting tactically for the LD candidate. A Labour vote here is wasted, otherwise I'd vote Labour.

For others who are in a similar position, there's an online guide here:

How To Vote To Stop The Tories

This site shows which way you should vote to stop the Tories from getting into power again

https://tacticalvote.co.uk/

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 23/05/2024 13:52

DignityAlwaysDignity · 23/05/2024 13:45

But they don't have control over their budget, which is decided by Westminster, so they have to manage within the constraints of the pocket money the chancellor gives them.

With the full economic power that independence would bring, major investment could be made in all areas where needed, rather than operating on a limited budget as of now.

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the Barnett formula mean they get more than they would if devolved fully

DignityAlwaysDignity · 23/05/2024 13:45

Jellycatspyjamas · 23/05/2024 10:56

What they can't fix without independence is the NHS, although maybe we need to think about the long term anyway

You do know that health is a devolved issue? The SNP have every opportunity to improve health, education and social care currently with existing powers.

But they don't have control over their budget, which is decided by Westminster, so they have to manage within the constraints of the pocket money the chancellor gives them.

With the full economic power that independence would bring, major investment could be made in all areas where needed, rather than operating on a limited budget as of now.

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