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Manipulated by women that “can’t”

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Mistressofpemberly · 22/05/2024 13:42

Professional in my fifties with friends and colleagues of same age.
I’m increasing noticing that I’m expected to fill the gap at work and in friendships by women of my age who have fixed ideas about what they can and can’t do. They are all high flying professionals in responsible roles. They are all single.

The feeling that I’m being imposed on has been creeping up on me. I have had a bit of a light bulb moment and recognised that their behaviour is manipulative and I feel that I am being controlled.
AIBU in this? Is it a ‘thing’. Anyone else seeing the same? Examples following….

OP posts:
Trebormints74 · 22/05/2024 20:13

MartinsSpareCalculator · 22/05/2024 13:51

Driving at night is something lots of people struggle with because of the amount of glare from other headlights. It has nothing to do with being a woman, except perhaps men not feeling comfortable saying they dislike it or find it hard.

It’s actually a thing that night vision is not as good in females than males.

notacooldad · 22/05/2024 20:12

I am 59 and kind of get what you are saying.
I have a large group of friends and we have been mates for nearly 40years.
In the last few years the most they can manage is a walk around the reservoir.
They have given up cycling, wild camping, hiking,climbing river swimming weight lifting, snowboarding etc. Now I know that's not everyone cup of tea but it's stuff we used to do all the time. They are all 'too old ' for that kind of stuff" I feel quite sad because I still enjoy these things. Most I can do alone or with groups but I'm missing being with my mates.

SuperBored · 22/05/2024 20:10

You would be welcome to sit next to me @Mistressofpemberly if I sit near someone or am put in a room with certain strong smells, I will literally vomit on you

Whiteglasshouse · 22/05/2024 20:06

Stripeysocks1981 · 22/05/2024 13:58

I have never known someone in real life who was so allergic to perfume they couldn’t stand next to them. If someone told me to go home for “imposing” my perfume on them I’d laugh my head off!!

Personally I can’t stand strong perfumes and would remove myself from anyone wearing it. It makes me feel sick. When I was pregnant it would have likely made me throw up.

Choochoo21 · 22/05/2024 20:04

My mum has definitely become more like this but she uses her age (59) as an excuse as to why she can’t do certain things.

Although, I’m not sure if it’s actually an age thing.

I think some women of all ages like to play dumb/act vulnerable.

I don’t know if they think it makes them more attractive or if they were raised with an attitude of they can’t do certain things because they are female.

No man or women is going to know how to do everything.
But I feel like some women are proud to say they can’t do X, Y, Z and I can’t see as many men doing the same.

There was a thread not long ago with a list of basic jobs and many female posters admitted to not being able to do many of them and have no desire to ever try.

Panjandrum123 · 22/05/2024 20:02

This resonates with me. I know people who won’t drive at night, will work out routes where they only need to turn left. Trying to organise a weekend away, one person refused to countenance the hotel we picked because the beds were too short. In the end it all fell apart.

Teams has been mentioned and I really hate it. I use it because I have to but feck is it a shitty piece of software IMHO.

It’s not just women who do this. I work with a chap who is competent but pretends not to be so we have to help him. So frustrating!!!

suburburban · 22/05/2024 19:56

Sharptonguedwoman · 22/05/2024 18:21

I was chatting to a lady Grace in her 60s, who has taken up with a mutual acquaintance, Henry an extremely practical widower. Henry's skills are legion. I heard Grace say her front lawn was like a field because she 'doesn't do electric things' e.g. a lawn mower or strimmer. My money is on my widower friend cutting her grass before the week is out. Gentle manipulation but manipulation all the same. OP, your friends are the same. Just tell your holiday mate you are going on the bus. If she doesn't like it, she can stay in the hotel.

Sounds like a good plan

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 22/05/2024 19:55

GrumpyPanda · 22/05/2024 15:58

For the most part these sound like a female version of strategic incompetence - a "can't be bothered" rather than "am unable to." But you lost me at "they're all single." Any specific reason you saw fit to stress this fact rather than "they're all blue-eyed?" Is this whole post some roundabout way of slagging off single people, or rather, single women?

Well at least we didn't get the usual qualifier 'don't have children.'

Panjandrum123 · 22/05/2024 19:52

Stripeysocks1981 · 22/05/2024 13:58

I have never known someone in real life who was so allergic to perfume they couldn’t stand next to them. If someone told me to go home for “imposing” my perfume on them I’d laugh my head off!!

@Stripeysocks1981 I have worked with someone who had a perfume allergy, gave her migraines, then would cause her to throw up. It’s a real thing. She definitely isn’t the kind of person to make it up.

chocolatecoveredpeanut · 22/05/2024 19:49

Mistressofpemberly · 22/05/2024 13:51

eg.

  • can’t make their own way to airport for a weekend away
  • cant drive their car to meet up outside of a specified area
  • can’t Find their way from a to b even if it is only a 5 minute walk - meaning that I’m am expected to find them and take them there like a carer
  • can’t get off of bed to get into work before 10.30 / 11 because they ‘don’t work that way’
  • has to rearrange seating plans / travel plans as someone’s perfume is strong

just to reiterate these are professional women who are very well travelled and also hold down demanding jobs (albeit it seems on their own terms).

I was told by an ex that I was "too independent".

Perhaps they've learnt that men need jobs and they have to let them "take care" of them. I did say to him at the time I thought that meant he wanted a manipulative woman.

By the time they get to 30 they'll realise they need to be able to do those things alone.

hendoop · 22/05/2024 19:49

The people who can't download Uber app so it falls to others to arrange and pay for the cab is another example

hendoop · 22/05/2024 19:48

Honestly it drives me mad and I am seeing more and more of it.

People who can't drive and then expect lifts and make you feel like a knob head not to go out of your way to pick them up etc

People who can't do IT based stuff at work and expect everyone else to pick up the slack yet refuse to upskill themselves - i.e
Using teams - it's not to at hard but instead expect me to download and email them the document that they have access to, every, time.

People who can't cook so never offer to host so that it's always other people hosting etc

IDontHateRainbows · 22/05/2024 19:48

Ponderingwindow · 22/05/2024 13:57

  • has to rearrange seating plans / travel plans as someone’s perfume is strong
What should really happen is that the antisocial person who is imposing their perfume on people should be asked to leave. Fragrance allergies and intolerances are medical issues and in some cases are disabilities.

We all have to share airspace with the rest of our fellow humans. Last time I looked, wearing perfume in public wasn't illegal

Fingeronthebutton · 22/05/2024 19:46

Mistressofpemberly · 22/05/2024 13:51

eg.

  • can’t make their own way to airport for a weekend away
  • cant drive their car to meet up outside of a specified area
  • can’t Find their way from a to b even if it is only a 5 minute walk - meaning that I’m am expected to find them and take them there like a carer
  • can’t get off of bed to get into work before 10.30 / 11 because they ‘don’t work that way’
  • has to rearrange seating plans / travel plans as someone’s perfume is strong

just to reiterate these are professional women who are very well travelled and also hold down demanding jobs (albeit it seems on their own terms).

What you describe are educated idiots. The problem is: there are too many of them.

MountCaramel · 22/05/2024 19:42

I have a friend who can't get on the train by herself to the west end to watch a show. She expects me to travel to a London commuter town instead. Apparently she can't travel for safety reasons but expects me to do the same even though I am also a woman.

She also doesn't carry any money or cards with her because she's used to her dh picking up the bill.

This is a woman with a masters degree in education. 🙄

Proserphina · 22/05/2024 19:36

Mistressofpemberly · 22/05/2024 13:42

Professional in my fifties with friends and colleagues of same age.
I’m increasing noticing that I’m expected to fill the gap at work and in friendships by women of my age who have fixed ideas about what they can and can’t do. They are all high flying professionals in responsible roles. They are all single.

The feeling that I’m being imposed on has been creeping up on me. I have had a bit of a light bulb moment and recognised that their behaviour is manipulative and I feel that I am being controlled.
AIBU in this? Is it a ‘thing’. Anyone else seeing the same? Examples following….

Yes, this is a thing, It's called ageism and you should desist.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 22/05/2024 19:30

RampantIvy · 22/05/2024 14:18

I have never known someone in real life who was so allergic to perfume they couldn’t stand next to them

@Stripeysocks1981 perfume used to set off my mum's asthma. She had COPD, so an asthma attack was a big deal.

Even in the 60s I recall our 50-something biology teacher rushing out of the lab with her eyes streaming, saying she was allergic to somebody’s perfume.

I was 14, and it was Hartnell’s ‘In Love’ hand cream I’d been given for my birthday - I was passing it round a flew friends.

PyongyangKipperbang · 22/05/2024 19:26

FictionalCharacter · 22/05/2024 19:18

I don’t know a single person of any age who’s as incompetent as that, or pretends to be.

I do and I think it comes down to them letting other people do the hard because they dont want to.

They could if they put the effort in but far far easier to let someone else do it and they sit back. Its just selfish laziness in disguise

Otherstories2002 · 22/05/2024 19:25

Mistressofpemberly · 22/05/2024 13:51

eg.

  • can’t make their own way to airport for a weekend away
  • cant drive their car to meet up outside of a specified area
  • can’t Find their way from a to b even if it is only a 5 minute walk - meaning that I’m am expected to find them and take them there like a carer
  • can’t get off of bed to get into work before 10.30 / 11 because they ‘don’t work that way’
  • has to rearrange seating plans / travel plans as someone’s perfume is strong

just to reiterate these are professional women who are very well travelled and also hold down demanding jobs (albeit it seems on their own terms).

No experience of this.

Woozerbug · 22/05/2024 19:24

Are you suggesting you’re driving your colleagues to an airport for their weekend away?

this is confusing

Allthecheeseplease · 22/05/2024 19:23

@Mistressofpemberly I completely agree, it's totally irritating. I'm shocked that there are people who haven't come across people like this. Although maybe if you aren't aware of other people like this then you are the person like this 😂

I think men/women who describe themselves as "passenger princes/ses" fit in this category.

Malo05 · 22/05/2024 19:21

CountingCrones · 22/05/2024 13:46

Can't drive? Can't do the splits? Can't use a spreadsheet? Can't be arsed?

I'm one out of that 🤣🤣

Screamingabdabz · 22/05/2024 19:21

CharlotteRumpling · 22/05/2024 16:02

I am 52 and have travelled solo across the world, including dangerous countries like Thailand, India and Turkey. I continue to do it now. Ageism is apparently the last acceptable bigotry.

I said ‘in my experience’ and I’m not being ageist, I’m older than you! Lots of capable women I know now live very self-restricted lives due to lack of confidence or maybe they’ve worked out what they want out of life. Good for you that you’re a global traveller but I don’t think you’re the norm amongst 50-something women!

FictionalCharacter · 22/05/2024 19:18

Mistressofpemberly · 22/05/2024 13:51

eg.

  • can’t make their own way to airport for a weekend away
  • cant drive their car to meet up outside of a specified area
  • can’t Find their way from a to b even if it is only a 5 minute walk - meaning that I’m am expected to find them and take them there like a carer
  • can’t get off of bed to get into work before 10.30 / 11 because they ‘don’t work that way’
  • has to rearrange seating plans / travel plans as someone’s perfume is strong

just to reiterate these are professional women who are very well travelled and also hold down demanding jobs (albeit it seems on their own terms).

I don’t know a single person of any age who’s as incompetent as that, or pretends to be.

Flossflower · 22/05/2024 19:14

ByCupidStunt · 22/05/2024 13:43

I'm not sure exactly what they are saying they can't do but I can't stand women who say they can't drive on the motorway, or at night.

What is it they can't do?

Not everybody is comfortable doing everything. Some people don’t like driving at night. Other people don’t like making a speech to a large crowd even though they know how to speak. Some people can’t limit the amount of food they eat even though they thought they should. Just accept that people are different.