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To think it’s a crime to pretend to be a registered doctor?

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Domino34 · 21/05/2024 22:53

Keep this short and sweet, please help me out!
I discovered that the ‘psychotherapist’ that ‘works for the nhs’ I’ve been having therapy sessions on the phone with, was actually not a doctor at all. Payed for by DH. I think I’ve been a victim of coercive control. Yet another tactic to manipulate me and be in a position of power. It sounds crazy, I know! My question is, is it a crime in the same way where if somebody pretended to be a police officer? I feel like my mind has been violated. I haven’t done anything about this. . . What can I do?

OP posts:
MILLYmo0se · 22/05/2024 12:35

BobbyBiscuits · 22/05/2024 09:13

A psychotherapist is not a doctor and does not pretend to be one. A psychiatrist is a doctor.
Why does a therapist need to be a doctor, they are not prescribing medication?
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick there.

The woman isn't any kind of a medical person at all, just pretending to be one

PinkyFlamingo · 22/05/2024 11:18

Just caught up with thread, you need help now because I would suspect your DH has paid this woman to get information out of you that he could use against you in a custody battle.

Elleherd · 22/05/2024 11:13

Going out on a limb here, but IMO forget her legality or not. She's not who you should be worrying about, even though she was prepared to assist him.
You need to talk to the police. I've twice met men (one = ExH) who went to the lengths of setting up situations using others to knowingly lie, entrap, and help them manipulate their target.
Try and step back and think about this in terms of what is 'normal' in shitty behavior vs what is really unusual.

People who do this don't worry about the risks of getting caught, or the people they are using turning against them and turning them in. Why not?
Because: they believe they will be able to control them too, and that the people they use are disposable. (in ExH's case, literally)
It's not 'normal shitty behavior', it's another level and a warning sign.

The two I've come across were very different types, but what they had in common was superficially charming, positions that gave power, and people around them missing, and many women had allegedly used and betrayed them. Both operated publicly and dangerously in terms of potential of being caught.

Both went from more 'minor' (ie nasty but not clearly illegal) set ups, to very serious behaviors including kidnap, and arson in order to maintain control and/or cover other lower crimes. You wouldn't have guessed looking at them.
It takes a level of ego, entitlement, and an underlying belief that they are smarter than others around them to manipulate using others on a organized level.

They are quite simply dangerous, especially when they are bolstered by getting away with it, either through malice, or the lengths they will go to to cover up.
My experience is they will play the long game returning again and again, sometimes with many years in between because they are rotating what they are doing to who, and finding others (often vulnerable and lonely who look up to them) to bring into their schemes. They can return when children are older.

The worst is when they finally get spotted doing something serious enough, it turns out that there are serial victims.
They were manipulated, left confused, embarrassed, not taken seriously, and blaming themselves for not seeing it earlier, and stayed quiet. Sometimes they had been dragged into doing things to others themselves and afraid of what they did. I'm mortified that I could have been targeted twice, but the reality is they know who'll make good prey, less likely to go to the police, or be believed.

It may be that your H had just started down this road, and has scarpered when busted. But I'd put a high likelihood that he will do this again, be it with you or another, and next time it will be done better, because he will have learnt.

I don't mean to scare you and would like to be wrong, but prepared to be called whatever by everyone, to raise it.

Please, secure your rights with your child and take this to the police, because while you may get nothing out of doing it now, it may protect you and others later. This kind of behavior is way beyond normal and nearly always ramps up.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 22/05/2024 11:08

ThIs sounds like exactly what happened to a celebrity. I’m trying to think who the woman was 🤔

PinkyFlamingo · 22/05/2024 11:06

Domino34 · 21/05/2024 23:01

Yes, I have a voicemail on my phone where she says she has been busy today, working at a locus elsewhere, saying it’s doctor *. I have evidence in the form of a text also. I might be mixing the two up. I thought I was speaking to a therapist registered with the NHS.

The NHS don't register therapists, they employ them. I work in an NHS psychotherapy dept and we are a mixture of psychiatrists, doctors in training, nurses and adult psychotherapists.

Daftapath · 22/05/2024 11:06

What country is your husband from?

As well as contacting the police for advice on your safety, you need legal advice on how to prevent your H from taking your child out of the country. Women's Aid and Citizens Advice would be a good place to start for this I would have thought. You may need to pay to see a solicitor to ensure you have the correct steps in place to ensure your child stays with you.

GivePeaceAChance · 22/05/2024 11:00

BloodyAdultDC · 22/05/2024 09:19

MEDICAL 'doctors' only use the Dr as a professional courtesy - when they specialise into consultancy they go back to Mr/Mrs/Miss.

You could get a PhD for just about anything non-medical and absolutely refer to yourself as Doctor.

(Same with the occupation of Lawyer - you don't have to be an actual solicitor to call yourself a lawyer, just working in law/legal advice)

As I said obviously there is a difference re Dr title and profession. Anyone however that claims to be a doctor of medicine and that includes consultants is breaking the law. The title is protected.

Just as a designer, interior designer or draughtsmen who claims or misleads a client into thinking they are an architect is also breaking the law. The title of architect is protected.

You are right about lawyers though the title is not protected it’s barristers I was thinking of.

ThankGodForDancingFruit · 22/05/2024 10:39

I think I recall your previous thread.

Is this a woman who is a drug addict and you think was trying to get information about you to feed back to your DH?

If so, the whole situation needs to be reported to the police if you haven’t already (I seem to recall you have police involvement) as harassment and stalking.

I don’t think that this would be in itself a criminal act, it’s not as if she has forged documents or advertised as a professional.

mindutopia · 22/05/2024 10:38

I'm sorry you've been through this, but this is exactly why you need to check the qualifications of any professionals you see before you agree to begin a therapeutic relationship with them. Any random could pretend to be anyone they want to be, if you don't check them with, say, BACP or another professional body, look at their website, read their reviews, sign a proper agreement with them as a client. I doubt any reputable therapist would agree to see a client for relationship issues that was arranged by a partner. Entering a therapeutic relationship needs to be entirely of your own free will.

Imbusytodaysorry · 22/05/2024 10:16

Domino34 · 22/05/2024 09:37

Thank you, I hope for this too. I have reason to believe he is back in this country, although not anywhere near here. I did receive a text telling me if I do not comply with him, he will ‘enforce his rights as a father’. What about our rights to have emotional and physical safety? Whether he means to take me to court or not I’m unsure, but this is what has prompted me to take action rather than be a sitting duck and letting him get away with it. If that makes sense.

He has lay low for a couple of months and he now feels comfortable you aren’t taking what he done further. Now he’s upping his game with more control.

Call the passport office and say you would like to report a lost passport . If you say you need to cancel it you can’t . It has to be lost to get a replacement they issue a number and you apply for a new one and use the lost number they gave you . This way you wilL find out either way if your child actually has one .

I can’t believe the extremes he has went too . I’m so sorry .
Time to get fight back . Women’s aid will definitely support you through this. I’m

PlainChipsandIpads · 22/05/2024 10:00

I think your mistake is your own assumption that a psychotherapist is a doctor, unless you have actual proof of the psychotherapist claiming to be a doctor, and further proof that said person does not have qualifications in both medicine and psychotherapy.

listsandbudgets · 22/05/2024 09:55

blimey I'm so sorry OP just read the rest of your posts.. I think I'd be talking to the police fir advice.. that's horrendous

listsandbudgets · 22/05/2024 09:51

Ps voted YABU because although it's a crime to pretend to be a medical doctor ( or should be) I don't think your therapist is committing a crime

Azandme · 22/05/2024 09:48

Domino34 · 22/05/2024 09:37

Thank you, I hope for this too. I have reason to believe he is back in this country, although not anywhere near here. I did receive a text telling me if I do not comply with him, he will ‘enforce his rights as a father’. What about our rights to have emotional and physical safety? Whether he means to take me to court or not I’m unsure, but this is what has prompted me to take action rather than be a sitting duck and letting him get away with it. If that makes sense.

"Enforce his rights as a father." It could mean court, or it could mean he's going to come and take your child by force.

Police, immediately. I really would not wait for Citizens Advice, they can take ages. Women's Aid after the police.

You need protection from a legal perspective, that comes from calling the police.

listsandbudgets · 22/05/2024 09:47

My sister is a clinical psychologist. She is not a medical doctor but is often referred to as Dr. X because she has a PhD. You can't do her job without one. She also works fir the NHS

A psychotherapist may well be a qualified psychologist

aridiculousargument · 22/05/2024 09:44

Domino34 · 22/05/2024 09:37

Thank you, I hope for this too. I have reason to believe he is back in this country, although not anywhere near here. I did receive a text telling me if I do not comply with him, he will ‘enforce his rights as a father’. What about our rights to have emotional and physical safety? Whether he means to take me to court or not I’m unsure, but this is what has prompted me to take action rather than be a sitting duck and letting him get away with it. If that makes sense.

Men like this always come with these vague threats to let your mind run and do the work for them of instilling fear in you. I’ve been there.
You are doing the right thing, reporting to the police and seeking advice from Women’s Aid.
The good women of MN will rally behind you.

Theunamedcat · 22/05/2024 09:40

You need to run this wont get better

Domino34 · 22/05/2024 09:39

aridiculousargument · 22/05/2024 09:28

Oh fuck, he’s probably just taking advantage of another vulnerable person. What a scumbag. Was probably feeding her what to say.
fucking disgusting scumbag

Yes, exactly. And everything I said got fed back to him. He was in a position of power.

OP posts:
Lochroy · 22/05/2024 09:38

I hope you get good advice from women's aid. Have you saved screen shots of all his texts?

BobbyBiscuits · 22/05/2024 09:38

@Cockapoopoopoo yep, I did just get that. Sorry. In that case her husband is a bloody weirdo and she needs to fuck him off. What a bizarre thing to do!

Domino34 · 22/05/2024 09:37

aridiculousargument · 22/05/2024 09:24

I think this sums it up well, OP. So sorry this happened to you.
I hope he stays well and truly away from you and that you and your baby have peace.

I read here the other day that you can get maintenance enforced/paid to you even if the other parent has moved abroad, depending on the country. Women’s aid will support you with that too, if this is something you want to pursue at some point.

Thank you, I hope for this too. I have reason to believe he is back in this country, although not anywhere near here. I did receive a text telling me if I do not comply with him, he will ‘enforce his rights as a father’. What about our rights to have emotional and physical safety? Whether he means to take me to court or not I’m unsure, but this is what has prompted me to take action rather than be a sitting duck and letting him get away with it. If that makes sense.

OP posts:
Cockapoopoopoo · 22/05/2024 09:34

BobbyBiscuits · 22/05/2024 09:13

A psychotherapist is not a doctor and does not pretend to be one. A psychiatrist is a doctor.
Why does a therapist need to be a doctor, they are not prescribing medication?
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick there.

If you read the full thread, you will see that isn't actually the point at all. It is a completely random woman that the OPs husband has somehow convinced to pretend to be a therapist to obtain personal information from OP, the Dr or not a Dr issue is irrelevant. She is not a Dr, psychotherapist, counsellor or any kind of therapist from what Op has said

PrincessTeaSet · 22/05/2024 09:30

BobbyBiscuits · 22/05/2024 09:13

A psychotherapist is not a doctor and does not pretend to be one. A psychiatrist is a doctor.
Why does a therapist need to be a doctor, they are not prescribing medication?
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick there.

You've got the wrong end of the stick. If you read the OP's posts you'd know the woman is an unemployed drug addict and not a therapist if any kind

aridiculousargument · 22/05/2024 09:28

Domino34 · 22/05/2024 08:14

She has no qualifications that is correct, In her picture she looks like a very vulnerable older woman, and she’s very well known in her town for being a drug user. Definitely does not have a phd and is not qualified in any way. I mean who in their right mind would go along with this?!

Oh fuck, he’s probably just taking advantage of another vulnerable person. What a scumbag. Was probably feeding her what to say.
fucking disgusting scumbag

aridiculousargument · 22/05/2024 09:24

Domino34 · 22/05/2024 00:03

Needed counselling, received more trauma. 😅🤦🏼‍♀️

I think this sums it up well, OP. So sorry this happened to you.
I hope he stays well and truly away from you and that you and your baby have peace.

I read here the other day that you can get maintenance enforced/paid to you even if the other parent has moved abroad, depending on the country. Women’s aid will support you with that too, if this is something you want to pursue at some point.