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Creepy neighbour - thoughts!?

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 07:13

Hello! I had a strange encounter with a neighbour last week which made me feel very uncomfortable. I’m sure I’m right, but my mind will always minimise things/mitigate for people so I wanted to run the situation past others and see if your thoughts support mine!

Thursday, 1pm there’s a knock on my door, I don’t answer, they knock again, this time louder. I look out the window and see that it’s a fairly new neighbour who I’ve only met once or twice in passing and never really spoken to. He lives with his girlfriend and his child. I open the door and he says he’s sorry to bother me but do I have any sugar, he’s run out and really needs a coffee. I laugh and say “are you serious” because it seemed cliche. He says yes so I say ok sure and turn to go into the house and grab him some, except he follows me in and into my kitchen. He had brought a coffee with him and then helped himself opening drawers to find himself a spoon. He then said how it’s cool that we both work from home, what time do I have my lunches usually, suggesting essentially that we could have lunches at the same time. He told me he likes to draw and saw some of my artwork, then suggested we should do some drawing together sometime. All questions after this were the type that enabled him to get close and have physical contact - I like your rings, folllowed by holding my hand and leaning in close to look at them, I like your tattoos, followed by holding my wrist and arm and running his hand over them, what size are your ears stretched to, can I have a look, followed by moving in to look closely at my ears. After a while I said sorry you need to go, I have work to do, do you want to take some sugar with you - he said no that’s fine I’ll go to the shop later - the shop which is less than a minutes walk from his house. I thought the whole thing was weird but gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he is very over-familiar and lacking in self-awareness, and maybe he genuinely needed some sugar.

3pm - there’s a knock at the door again, and it’s him again. I go down there, he says sorry can I grab some more sugar, I say fine and again he follows me into the house, again helping himself to a spoon. The front door has been left open, I say I need to make sure my cat hasn’t run out and he tells me I can close the door. I do this so my cat doesn’t run out and then immediately start heaping sugar into a bowl so he can take it and just get out, in the middle of doing this he says hey can I look at your tattoo again and takes hold of my wrist, runs his hand over the tattoo again and slowly up my forearm. At this point I am kind of in a corner and I panic, pull away and say I really need to get on so here’s your sugar. I then march quickly to the front door to get it open and on the way out, he says by the way - you don’t need to tell your partner I came round. I say he already knows you’ve been here.

This is all really creepy, right!?

So I tell my partner all of this and how uncomfortable I felt and he’s furious. The next day, he sees my neighbour’s partner in the street and asks her for a word, says her boyfriend made me feel very uncomfortable in our house yesterday and can we have our sugar pot back. She is baffled - why was he in our house and why does he have our pot. He explains, she goes into their house and 20 minutes later, they are both on the doorstep and he is very politely apologising for making me feel uncomfortable and asking me to explain what he did that made me feel that way. This gets my back up straight away because he knows full well, and I tell him so. He denies saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner and tells me I’m overreacting. I tell him he’s gaslighting me, and that he’s a creep. I then ask his girlfriend if they had sugar at home yesterday - she tells me yes, they did. I tell him I have no idea what his intentions were but they did not originate in a place of honesty, he had sugar at home, an open door is not an invitation in, and his behaviour in my house/towards me was unnerving. I apologised to his partner because it can’t have been nice having someone stand there and call their fella a creep.

I’m right, right!!? I’m sure I am, but I’m such an overthinker, I’m overthinking myself into thinking I’ve gone overboard..

OP posts:
Ohthatoldchestnut · 22/05/2024 00:40

For any of those PPs who are victim blaming, please stop. Just... stop. Or maybe re-direct that energy to encourage the men in your lives to hold their fellow men to account for this sort of behaviour - like the OP's partner did.

Just remember this isn't some unknown man in an unfamiliar place. It was daytime and the OP was in her home that she shares with a partner - and he is a neighbour with a partner and child. So it's not remotely surprising that the OP's defences were not up at DEFCON1 because it was entirely reasonable for her to believe she should be fairly safe.

Now, we are all pretty aware that in reality the men most likely to harm us (and our children) are those that are known to us and are often socially perceived as "safe". But predators that like proximity have to be skilfully manipulative to get away with it. Plus, our conditioning will still often mean we miss those signs - especially as the man encroaches on our boundaries bit by bit in such a way that we question our perception of what is happening.

And when we do twig something's not right, we have been taught by the world to not rock the boat, that men are to be appeased - it takes some undoing to be able to override all this. And it takes some experience to know how to defend yourself safely (as no one really knows how they'll react until they've had that experience).

But you know what can fatally damage someone's confidence to override that conditioning and rely on their instincts to protect themselves? 1. The very rational fear of not being believed; and 2. knowing that you will be shamed for something you did or didn't do (which may or may not actually have any relevance to the situation - they usually find something...).

So whilst it is wise to take care of ourselves and to sensibly limit the openings these predators have - to the extent we can and without living every day in fear - if a man assaults you, the blame is unequivocally 100% on that man.

BurntBroccoli · 21/05/2024 23:55

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Unfortunately my situation was very much real.
I moved house because of it in the end.
It's quite terrifying and some people are very, very good at manipulation.

Bankholidayhelp · 21/05/2024 22:47

Another one saying flag with police. Ref Claire's Law, as I understand it (as explained by Alfie Moore the other week on his Radio 4 show ...) if you make the request and there is an 'issue' with him, the risk assessment the police do will inform a decision on who to release the information to - which may not be you, but could be his wife/girlfriend.

Catsmere · 21/05/2024 22:34

BurntBroccoli · 21/05/2024 20:54

@badatdecisions
You clearly haven't experienced this. When someone is this determined they rely upon the woman being too polite to say no.
I'm sure this man has done this before.

Yes, it's female socialisation. Be nice, be kind, do what men want. Don't be that nasty, disobedient woman. It's pervasive, it's the water we swim in, and it can make saying NO when put on the spot very difficult.

Catsmere · 21/05/2024 22:28

namemane · 21/05/2024 15:13

Ring doorbell, chain.

He may just be a bit odd, wanting to make friends with new neighbours.

But there are a quite a few red flags here - repeat visit, invading personal space, touching, no need to tell my partner etc etc.

With a ring doorbell its possible for both you and your partner to have notifications, record visits, speak to the person at the door.

Hopefully this will be the last such visit, his partner will have had words and this will blow over.

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There's no "may just be odd" here. You observed it yourself - he'd practised his lines, he used the same borrowing sugar line twice, he invaded OP's space and pawed her, he tried to stare her down when she stood up to him. None of what he did is innocent, it was the behaviour of a practised predator.

badatdecisions · 21/05/2024 22:28

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0sm0nthus · 21/05/2024 22:06

DerekFaker · 21/05/2024 21:59

Stop being a victim-blaming twat

I second that!

DerekFaker · 21/05/2024 21:59

badatdecisions · 21/05/2024 20:36

I read all your posts, you don't actually say why you said "fine" and let him in when he asked you for sugar a second time.

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Stop being a victim-blaming twat

Scammersarescum · 21/05/2024 21:42

badatdecisions · 21/05/2024 21:37

You're making up a lot of things I didn't say and don't think.

I understand the first time, as you explained that in your original post.

I asked about the second time. Because you said "Fine" and agreed to his request.

It would be something you'd want to assess yourself, to yourself, even if you don't want to discuss it here, because you ignored a red flag that could compromise your safety by not trusting your instinct after the first time.

I was asking you the question to imply to you to look at how you could protect yourself in future. Now the aggressive response you've replied to me with is EXACTLY the kind of "don't fuck with me" attitude you should display in these types of situations. Instead of agreeing to let a weird guy who is behaving strangely into your house a second time. You'd have been kicking yourself if the second time he reached into your drawer for a knife instead of a spoon.

This is grade A victim blaming, telling the OP how she should have reacted.

No one knows how they will react until they are in the moment.

badatdecisions · 21/05/2024 21:37

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 20:44

Why is this your primary concern? Are you suggesting I invited his behaviour and that therefore his behaviour is my fault? In my original post I stated that I thought it was odd the first time but gave him the benefit of the doubt. I also later said this was an error. I did not say I “let” him in, he followed me in. An open door is not an invitation in. Better?

You're making up a lot of things I didn't say and don't think.

I understand the first time, as you explained that in your original post.

I asked about the second time. Because you said "Fine" and agreed to his request.

It would be something you'd want to assess yourself, to yourself, even if you don't want to discuss it here, because you ignored a red flag that could compromise your safety by not trusting your instinct after the first time.

I was asking you the question to imply to you to look at how you could protect yourself in future. Now the aggressive response you've replied to me with is EXACTLY the kind of "don't fuck with me" attitude you should display in these types of situations. Instead of agreeing to let a weird guy who is behaving strangely into your house a second time. You'd have been kicking yourself if the second time he reached into your drawer for a knife instead of a spoon.

merryandbrightdelight · 21/05/2024 21:18

This is horrifying op! Ring doorbell, also I'm wondering if there are any charities or organisations you could log this with

BurntBroccoli · 21/05/2024 20:54

@badatdecisions
You clearly haven't experienced this. When someone is this determined they rely upon the woman being too polite to say no.
I'm sure this man has done this before.

Solocup · 21/05/2024 20:51

Holy fuck that’s insanity. Make that the thing that makes you start to stand up for yourself, you put yourself in a really dangerous situation by letting him in, especially a second time.
I think I might look at, is it Sarah’s Law? Where you can request info about a particular person if you have concerns. The behaviour is so odd, and so blatantly predatory, that I’d be wondering if they might have prior convictions.
Hope you’re ok.

BurntBroccoli · 21/05/2024 20:47

Thank you @Chael86
It was a very stressful time. Your post just brought back the feelings of being intruded upon involuntarily.

Definitely report to 101 so it can be logged.

StarbucksQueen1 · 21/05/2024 20:44

Jesus Christ that is so weird!
I think I’d have done the same the first time but not the second! But we can all say what we would have done in hindsight! How scary that he could have done anything!! I’d definitely make the landlord aware. Keep doors and windows locked and maybe get a ring doorbell now?

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 20:44

badatdecisions · 21/05/2024 20:36

I read all your posts, you don't actually say why you said "fine" and let him in when he asked you for sugar a second time.

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Why is this your primary concern? Are you suggesting I invited his behaviour and that therefore his behaviour is my fault? In my original post I stated that I thought it was odd the first time but gave him the benefit of the doubt. I also later said this was an error. I did not say I “let” him in, he followed me in. An open door is not an invitation in. Better?

OP posts:
badatdecisions · 21/05/2024 20:36

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 17:19

Thank you. I pretty much covered this in the original post and since.

I read all your posts, you don't actually say why you said "fine" and let him in when he asked you for sugar a second time.

WingingItSince1973 · 21/05/2024 19:35

Conniebygaslight · 21/05/2024 08:12

Jesus! that's not creepy, that's dangerous, he's gone straight to cornering you and touching you! I'd be informing the police, doing a Claire's law check and be moving. I might sound alarmist but that is so bloody bad OP, I'm so sorry.

Absolutely this. He needs reporting. He shouldn't be entering your home and definitely shouldn't be touching you!

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 19:11

Thank you - that’s exactly what I thought re: g/f’s reaction!

I have also had the same thought re: giving the landlord a nudge..

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SallyWD · 21/05/2024 19:04

I'm really sorry for questioning whether this happened in my last post. It just seemed so bizarre and brazen! I find it very unsettling. I think doing a Clare's Law search on him is a good idea if possible. His poor wife! How can she accept this behaviour? Keep an eye on him.

LaughingCat · 21/05/2024 18:53

Haven’t read the whole thread but caught your messages - this is so creepy, @Chael86. It really is the only word for it. From your spot on description of the girlfriend’s reaction, it sounds like she was assessing him as you both talked. That she was watching him and not you suggests it’s him that she doesn’t trust which is why she wanted his non-verbal cues as well. Hopefully she gets the fuck out.

Police won’t be able to do much but report every incident, even the ones you think are nothing. They require a pattern of behaviour to do anything.

Terrible thought, but could that gossip reach the landlord? Y’know, in case they care about having lechy, predatory asshats as tenants…

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 18:50

BurntBroccoli · 21/05/2024 18:42

Get a ring doorbell and keep the door locked at all times.
This must be so scary for you.
I had a stalker once (someone I met online who lived 200 miles away) and seemed pretty normal at first. However he started to turn up with flowers and gifts completely unannounced and I got completely freaked out and told him I didn't think things were working out. He kept turning up even after this so I had to involve the police. Was awful.

Thank you for sharing! That’s awful, I’m sorry you were subjected to that!

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Newmumatlast · 21/05/2024 18:44

Zombella · 21/05/2024 07:31

Reading this, I was reminded of the murder of poor Joanna Yeates, killed by her male neighbour after he made an unwanted pass at her.

Your neighbour's behaviour is very disturbing. Predatory. You did the right thing in calling him out on it. Hopefully he's just an arrogant creep but I'd suggest getting a ring doorbell.

Yep and I'd be inclined to see if I could make a disclosure request under Clares Law or flag it with the police not to get him in trouble but so it's recorded

BurntBroccoli · 21/05/2024 18:42

Get a ring doorbell and keep the door locked at all times.
This must be so scary for you.
I had a stalker once (someone I met online who lived 200 miles away) and seemed pretty normal at first. However he started to turn up with flowers and gifts completely unannounced and I got completely freaked out and told him I didn't think things were working out. He kept turning up even after this so I had to involve the police. Was awful.

Nanny0gg · 21/05/2024 18:34

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 09:57

Yes it’s true! Bizarre that this is in question!??

Not all rapists are initially violent