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Creepy neighbour - thoughts!?

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 07:13

Hello! I had a strange encounter with a neighbour last week which made me feel very uncomfortable. I’m sure I’m right, but my mind will always minimise things/mitigate for people so I wanted to run the situation past others and see if your thoughts support mine!

Thursday, 1pm there’s a knock on my door, I don’t answer, they knock again, this time louder. I look out the window and see that it’s a fairly new neighbour who I’ve only met once or twice in passing and never really spoken to. He lives with his girlfriend and his child. I open the door and he says he’s sorry to bother me but do I have any sugar, he’s run out and really needs a coffee. I laugh and say “are you serious” because it seemed cliche. He says yes so I say ok sure and turn to go into the house and grab him some, except he follows me in and into my kitchen. He had brought a coffee with him and then helped himself opening drawers to find himself a spoon. He then said how it’s cool that we both work from home, what time do I have my lunches usually, suggesting essentially that we could have lunches at the same time. He told me he likes to draw and saw some of my artwork, then suggested we should do some drawing together sometime. All questions after this were the type that enabled him to get close and have physical contact - I like your rings, folllowed by holding my hand and leaning in close to look at them, I like your tattoos, followed by holding my wrist and arm and running his hand over them, what size are your ears stretched to, can I have a look, followed by moving in to look closely at my ears. After a while I said sorry you need to go, I have work to do, do you want to take some sugar with you - he said no that’s fine I’ll go to the shop later - the shop which is less than a minutes walk from his house. I thought the whole thing was weird but gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he is very over-familiar and lacking in self-awareness, and maybe he genuinely needed some sugar.

3pm - there’s a knock at the door again, and it’s him again. I go down there, he says sorry can I grab some more sugar, I say fine and again he follows me into the house, again helping himself to a spoon. The front door has been left open, I say I need to make sure my cat hasn’t run out and he tells me I can close the door. I do this so my cat doesn’t run out and then immediately start heaping sugar into a bowl so he can take it and just get out, in the middle of doing this he says hey can I look at your tattoo again and takes hold of my wrist, runs his hand over the tattoo again and slowly up my forearm. At this point I am kind of in a corner and I panic, pull away and say I really need to get on so here’s your sugar. I then march quickly to the front door to get it open and on the way out, he says by the way - you don’t need to tell your partner I came round. I say he already knows you’ve been here.

This is all really creepy, right!?

So I tell my partner all of this and how uncomfortable I felt and he’s furious. The next day, he sees my neighbour’s partner in the street and asks her for a word, says her boyfriend made me feel very uncomfortable in our house yesterday and can we have our sugar pot back. She is baffled - why was he in our house and why does he have our pot. He explains, she goes into their house and 20 minutes later, they are both on the doorstep and he is very politely apologising for making me feel uncomfortable and asking me to explain what he did that made me feel that way. This gets my back up straight away because he knows full well, and I tell him so. He denies saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner and tells me I’m overreacting. I tell him he’s gaslighting me, and that he’s a creep. I then ask his girlfriend if they had sugar at home yesterday - she tells me yes, they did. I tell him I have no idea what his intentions were but they did not originate in a place of honesty, he had sugar at home, an open door is not an invitation in, and his behaviour in my house/towards me was unnerving. I apologised to his partner because it can’t have been nice having someone stand there and call their fella a creep.

I’m right, right!!? I’m sure I am, but I’m such an overthinker, I’m overthinking myself into thinking I’ve gone overboard..

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IOYOYO · 24/05/2024 03:01

Jesus op, this is awful. You’re instincts are there to be trusted, and I agree with the pp who said that he was likely making micro assessments to see how far he could push things.

Theres a book called The gift of Fear - it’s a bit old but still completely relevant unfortunately. It makes for some grisly reading, but it really is all about empowering women to follow their instinsts rather than fawning or freezing as we’ve been taught to do.

YY to a Ring doorbell and calling the police tbh too. I don’t always have much faith that they do all they should, but it’s still a step you can take. Take care of yourself.

katmarie · 24/05/2024 02:35

I get it OP, he's clearly a weirdo, and he was clearly up to something, but in the moment its really hard to go against generations of conditioning, and tell someone to fuck off. Plus once he is in your house, kicking off at him may not end well. I dont know if I would have done much different. I'd like to say i wouldn't have opened the door the second time, but equally it would have felt incredibly rude and I'd have weighed that up against continuing living next door to him, and not wanting to cause bigger issues etc etc. I have a difficult neighbour, for other reasons, and it's a social minefield dealing with someone problematic who lives right next door.

So yes, definitely don't answer the door to him again, and I think you and your partner handled it really well. Can you train your cats to claw him viciously on sight in future?

DreamTheMoors · 24/05/2024 02:13

Nanny0gg · 21/05/2024 18:34

Not all rapists are initially violent

I was raped at 15 on a school trip by the town mayor. He was older than my father.
He wasn’t violent.
He was a gigantic perv who finally killed himself 20 years later.
And I wore a red dress to his funeral and people thought I was the inappropriate one.
And since I thought it was my fault, I never told anyone until I was 50.
Don’t be like me.
Tell someone. Scream if you have to.
Tell everyone. Shout it from the mountaintops.

WearyAuldWumman · 24/05/2024 02:05

Nettie1964 · 24/05/2024 01:49

I do have dyslexia but no problem. Everything looks wrongly spelt to me. Auto correct is the only way I can cope.

Aye, autocorrect doesn't always help.

I'm fortunate in that I've not got the family dyslexia per se, but I do have a problem with direction and following verbal instructions. To this day, I get mixed up with sewing, for example - I often can't remember which end I'm supposed to start from. Repetition does help, but it's a nightmare if I'm trying to follow something for the first time.

Nettie1964 · 24/05/2024 01:49

I do have dyslexia but no problem. Everything looks wrongly spelt to me. Auto correct is the only way I can cope.

Poettree · 24/05/2024 01:47

For those victim blaming, google fawning instinct. OP did the right thing by keeping things 'normal' as much as possible before getting him out the door. And let's not forget he just walked in, he didn't get invited. I feel like he may have been waiting for her to panic and then make his next move but by not breaking out of the act that everything was normal and neighbourly he couldn't do that. He was almost certainly building up to it though and she handled it perfectly.

If you read I Am I Am I Am by Maggie O'Farrell she does something similar to an attacker, because she knows that as soon as she stops things will change.

WearyAuldWumman · 24/05/2024 01:43

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A privet joke? Are you hedging your bets?

Sorry - couldn't resist! Autocorrect is a curse, I know!

oakleaffy · 24/05/2024 01:35

Get a ring doorbell and make sure he knows you have one installed.
What a total creep.

Olivia2495 · 24/05/2024 00:26

I agree it’s devious, and premeditated. He has planned this. He has done something like this before to do it so confidently on his own street without fear of repercussions.

He wrongly assumed submission and that you would keep stum, and I'm certain if you had kept quiet he would have come back and assaulted you. I’m really concerned he tried to intimidate you by staring you down even in the presence of other people. If that is how he behaves in front of witnesses, do consider what he is capable of when alone. And he knows you work from home alone.

Do log it op. Im certain he is known to them, and if he is on bail or has any restrictions they need to know. I would not hesitate to have the police pay him a visit and to warn him to stay away.

You now know the seemingly harmless neighbour is a dangerous predator. You just don’t know how dangerous.

PropertyManager · 23/05/2024 23:16

Olivia2495 · 23/05/2024 23:03

I would log this with the police. You can do it online. It’s very possible he has a history of offending.

Have you googled him?

I agree, the more I mull this the more creepy it is, and devious.

He came over with the coffee cup, meaning he would only get enough sugar for one cup, making sure he could return.

He then pushed himself into your safe space, and proceeded to systematically push, and break down your boundaries.

Then came back for more.

I would log it, even phone it in, you owe him nothing - as one of life's decent men I detest his sort, they get us all a bad name - alas there are quite a few like him out there - my wife acquired a stalker last year (happily sorted by plod) but it opened my hitherto naive eyes to the scum that floats amongst us.

Nettie1964 · 23/05/2024 23:14

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Olivia2495 · 23/05/2024 23:03

I would log this with the police. You can do it online. It’s very possible he has a history of offending.

Have you googled him?

Tillievanilly · 23/05/2024 23:02

You know you’re in the right and he was gaslighting you, they had sugar!! No one has ever barged into my house so yes it is weird! Never answer the door to him again. He definitely shouldn’t be touching anyone he does not know and there was no need for it.

Toptotoe · 23/05/2024 23:01

You need to get a video camera fitted over the door - if he keeps doing this report him to the police for harassment. He is a perv.

PropertyManager · 23/05/2024 22:49

Man here who went to a (female) neighbour to borrow sugar today - known then for a decade.

Sort of went like this:

(Me) Hi Mary, buggered up the shopping, do you have some sugar I could pinch.

(Mary) sure come in.

<Mary gets a sugar bag and hands it to me>

(Mary) Here, there is a half bag, got more keep it

(Me) Cheers, see you soon <leave>

That's pretty normal, what you describe OP is not normal.
As it occurred more than once, legally it is already harassment - that you have called it out means that it should stop dead, nothing further from him, if it happens again, please report it to the police - there is a national clamp down on harassment and stalking, he will get a visit from the police.

Strictlymad · 23/05/2024 22:46

I can’t believe what I’ve just read, so he came under false pretences, walked in, rifled your drawers and then started touching you having barely met and was arranging lunches whilst asking you to keep secrets from dp ….. I don’t think I can put creep in big enough letters! Absolutely do not go within 50 miles of this bloke again

PremiumListing · 23/05/2024 22:43

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Can I ask for what purpose you are posting today?

Clearly, it has nothing to do with being helpful or compassionate.

WearyAuldWumman · 23/05/2024 22:32

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I'm saying this as someone who is (I'm assuming from your username) 4 years older than you.

Go back to the '60s before it's too late!

Nettie1964 · 23/05/2024 22:31

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Motnight · 23/05/2024 22:25

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Fucking hell.

Catsmere · 23/05/2024 22:22

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FFS, how many times has it been explained already on this thread that women are pervasively socialised to Be Kind, to accommodate men, to second guess ourselves - in short to be obedient. We see it all the time just on MN alone, with the NAMALT, the defence of male predators, the "he was just lonely/being friendly" bullshit. And you come along blaming OP and saying she must put herself in dodgy situations - she was in her OWN HOME. You talk as if one can shake off a lifetime of conditioning at a moment's notice.

WearyAuldWumman · 23/05/2024 22:21

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Quit the victim blaming.

Nettie1964 · 23/05/2024 22:09

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KomodoOhno · 23/05/2024 21:59

ClockworkDisaster · 21/05/2024 07:18

No you are right. He was extremely inappropriate. I have had friends for years who wouldn’t have felt it appropriate to touch me like that, let alone first proper meeting.

I wouldn’t answer the door to him again.

This OP. This guy sound unhinged.

Jennaxoxox · 23/05/2024 21:16

You should get a ring doorbell and lock your front and back doors threw the day. I would not be engaging in whatever his intentions are. Also after you called him out he may be more aggressive next time. This is beyond creepy 😱 wonder if this is the first time his girlfriend heard of him having similar behaviour 🤔