To think nurseries are not safe for young babies

You might be interested in these two articles:

https://criticalscience.medium.com/on-the-science-of-daycare-4d1ab4c2efb4

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/oct/02/nurseries-childcare-pre-school-cortisol

I get that this places loves a pointless working mums v SAHM scrap but are people really going to get on their soapbox on the back of a dead child?

The one we have in mind has a max of 9 babies in the baby room, a 1:3 max ratio and a no lone working policy, as well as good feedback from local parents i know. They take them outside twice a day and nap time has some flexibility.

Fair enough. I'm assume they should've given the pureed food the parent provided then.

The baby shouldn't have been given solid food because they'd been told the baby (for whatever reason) couldn't chew well enough to tolerate solid food. It's so, so simple.

How was that manslaughter by the way?? Murder surely.

Hang on, surely statistically young children are more likely to be seriously hurt or harmed at home?

These cases are heartbreaking, I agree that unsafe ratios and poor governance / training and turnover must be tackled to improve services full stop.

But accidents DO happen even for the best will, it’s tragic and I know that will be of no comfort to these families of course not.

However I agree up thread where PP said this distinctly sounds like another bashing and guilt tripping of working parents (which let’s be honest means mother).

That’s completely valid. You just have to do what’s right for you.

My child needed to be there for their benefit at a young age as I was in no state to be looking after them

Rather more babies are killed in their homes than in nurseries. Which is a really depressing thought.

Don't talk rot. with the wheelchair analogy.

Baby should've been supervised though especially if she had special dietary needs

Personal experience of working in lots of settings as a nursery nurse. You might have one of those nurseries that is really good for very young children, if so, great.
Most do not cater well for them, but I might be being fussy. Think things like, not taking them outdoors very often or sometimes at all in one day (harder because of ratios), enforcing nap time at the same time for all babies, one member of staff having to see to several babies if the ratio is short. Babies have no need or requirement to socialise, they just need a consistent and warm caregiver to meet their needs. This is harder if staff turnover is high or if staff have lots of other babies to think of

I used to go to a playgroup with my youngest child and there were a group of childminders who’d be there most weeks. They used to sit there the whole time drinking coffee and chatting and completely ignoring the children they were meant to be looking after!

I don’t think it’s as straightforward as saying certain settings are good and others are bad, you can get poor quality childminders and nurseries and you can get great ones too.

Yes, but the child who died couldn't! You can't give a baby who can't chew solid food, let them choke to death and then say "well...babies should be able to chew".

Do you push people out of wheelchairs because they should be able to walk?!

Could you link to that research, or a summary of it?

As a FTM due to to back to work in 6 months I had decided on Nursery for my baby because my second hand knowledge of childminders is that a baby will basically end up tagging along with what the older children are doing

I didn't think it would be long before 'childminders are still more dangerous than nurseries' rubbish was posted. People can't help it.

Poor babies, RIP Genevieve and Oliver

Fair point.

This nursery didn't have any other staff or CCTV...

Oh no! Hang on....

9 months old should be able to eat chopped food

Never pureed any food and neither did thousands of other parents .

Commonplace worldwide and even now in the West . Never heard of baby led weaning?

Babies don't need the sort of socialisation a nursery offers.

If you want to use a nursery, that's obviously fine and I'm sure he's fine there. But don't kid yourself that he NEEDS to be there for his benefit. He doesn't.

Perfectly said.

My mum was a child minder ( granted 15 years ago) and she would ignore the kids and just watch soaps for most of the day.
Like others have said about nurseries the kids were physically cared for but developmentally I wouldn't have wanted my kids there every day being ignored.

Is 1-2-1 childcare really better, I’d hope that a nursery has more checks and balances, like CCTV and other staff who are decent human beings, than say, a nanny. Not to say there’s anything wrong with a nanny, but if a nanny is a bad egg there’s no one to see. In nurseries, generally, they should be observed by other staff.

As the mother of a 10 month old I can honestly say my baby is better in nursery. He only goes for 2 days a week. Myself and my partner work our hours around the rest. He goes mainly for socialisation and in the 6 weeks he's been there he's absolutely thriving. I was also more than ready to go back to work.

I have a very fast paced job and I was bored out my brains for most of my maternity leave. I loved bonding with him don't get me wrong. But there's only so much you can do with a young baby. My mental health would not have survived much longer.

Irrelevant if yours is one of the two, still terrifying.

More babies die at the hands of their parents or in car accidents than at nursery. Do you think leaving children with their parents or taking them in a car is unsafe?

The vast majority of nurseries are safe.

Are nurseries good for babies? No.

They're fine if you need to work and don't have other options, but they're not in a baby's best interests. We avoid saying it to save the feelings of the parents who have no choice. It's a terrible situation we've created where people can't afford not to work, but also can't afford one-on-one or small group childcare.