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Am I being an arse or is this controlling!?

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Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 07:19

I’m in a lesbian relationship just so we’re clear on genders.

My girlfriend is so overly attentive that it’s really really starting to grate on me but I don’t know if I’m just being a bit of a cow.

examples:

  • driving in my car I turn my air con up 2 degrees from the coldest. She leans forward and says are you cold with a concerned look and goes to adjust the air con again. There’s always just that little extra of whatever so she’s done something to help. I said no leave it. She then said do you want to turn the aircon off? I said no I’m fine. She said do you want my jacket? GAH!!!!
  • out shopping (regularly) she will INSIST on carrying my bags. When I say no she relentlessly asks me to give them to her and it gets so annoying. Sometimes I want to carry my own bags! If I put them down for example to Pay she will pick them up and not give me them back.
  • at the cinema she asks if I’m cold, I say no, I’m quite fine, she’ll take her coat off and put it over me.
  • constantly paws at me and I mean CONSTANTLY has to be holding hands whether it’s driving, walking, sitting on the sofa, at dinner. It’s not just holding hands she holds my hand with one hand and caresses my arms and hands with her other hand. If she’s not doing this she’s stroking my hair or rubbing my head/neck/shoulders/tickling my arm or face.
  • If I’ve asked her to do a task for example could you please grab my keys while I look for my phone, she’ll grab the keys (along with everything else I’m carrying) and then as soon as I mention I’m going to grab my phone she’ll put down what she has and start frantically joining me in looking for my phone. This is a small example but what I’m trying to say is if she’s doing something and notices I’m on a different task she will drop what she’s doing and join me 100%. Cleaning, getting dressed, whatever.
  • always asks if I’ve ate, what I’ve ate, when I’ve ate. Sometimes I lie and say yes when I actually haven’t because I can’t be arsed with “why?” “I’ll Uber you food now what do you want?” “You need to eat” “make sure you eat please”
  • we don’t live together but if she hears I’m doing something like painting a room she insists on coming round and doing it for me, tells me to just sit down and rest. Sometimes I just want to get things done?
  • has to see me every day and kind of sulks if she doesn’t. Which is a real PITA sometimes as I have DC and don’t live overly close to her (D.C. not officially met her yet) So often I’m going out my way to call in before or after work, after school run, when DC are with their dad. Every day! This week she has sulked because she’s “hardly seen me” when I’ve seen her every day just not for as long.
  • she doesn’t like any of my friends and thinks I’m too good for them. She’s not a fan of me going out with them which is very rare. My best friend doesn’t like her for a separate reason but this also plays on my mind.

I’ve gotten irritated a few times and told her I’m not made of bloody glass and can she please stop treating me like an infant. She gets the hump and says she’s just trying to care for me. But I find it really suffocating and a bit controlling! AIBU?

OP posts:
RedHelenB · 20/05/2024 09:18

Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 07:26

Yes I do feel it’s intense. I may be having second thoughts about the relationship which is making me see it a little differently perhaps? It’s been way more intense than this at times over the period we’ve been dating but it didn’t bother me as much

If you're having second thoughts then end it.

Therealjudgejudy · 20/05/2024 09:17

Just reading this has stressed me out, so how you are putting up with it is mad...

She has zero respect for you or you boundaries. One word....RUN!

ClareBlue · 20/05/2024 09:10

C1N1C · 20/05/2024 08:47

Did anyone else read this and think this partner HAS to be a man? These are things so called 'gentlemanly' men reportedly do, and think they should be doing... constant asking whether you're comfortable, pushing themselves into DIY tasks, making sure you're well 'fed and watered', carrying shopping bags...

I personally think this is them trying to be considerate and taking care of you, but I agree, there is a fine line between considerate, and smothering/controlling.

I agree with @BlastedPimples , this often leads to one feeling they do more and holding it against you.

Of course not. Women are quite capable of being like this. It doesn't have to be a man.

DoubleeDenim · 20/05/2024 09:02

DancesWithBadgers · 20/05/2024 08:52

It sounds like she can’t see you as different people and she’s not yet learned how to truly nurture herself or others (understandable if she’s experienced a lot of abuse and neglect). Truly nurturing one another and yourself means being able to have healthy boundaries and to give an appropriate amount of attention.

She seems to equate love to being entitled to someone else’s person, to own them in a way and to be inseparable to the point of extreme codependency. She also seems to be acting out parenting on you maybe in a way she never experienced because she acts as though you’re a needy toddler.

Im sure she does mean well but the sulking, the controlling, the constant need for reassurance and validation to the point of suffocation is harmful for you both.

Whether you’ve accidentally fed into this by showering her with affection and attention because of her past or not or whether she’s encouraged this dynamic by over giving to you - it’s not healthy. It’s draining you and is not a balanced situation.

She’s had a bad past but what does she do to take actual responsibility for her emotional well-being? Doesn’t sound like she’s done therapy and her solution is to essentially use you as her comfort blanket at all times - and the over doing for you is part of that - she knows you don’t need it, she knows you don’t want it but objects to your objections - because this is not about being there for you it’s about fulfilling her own needs.

I doubt this is fixable honestly while with her as it’s so extreme.

Yes, agree with this.

And does sound like she is cultivating a ‘codependent’ situation.

MoonWoman69 · 20/05/2024 08:58

Oh OP, I'm so sorry you're going through this. I would feel like my life wasn't my own. If you can't do things with other people, for fear of upsetting her, you're not free, you're already tied in to what she expects from you.
There seems to be too much going on here, to have to start pulling her up on each time. Is the relationship really worth it? Because, to be totally truthful, if it's like this now and you don't live together, then it's going to be a whole lot worse if you do.
I think you need to firmly tell her you need a break, that you know she cares for you, but that it's all becoming too much and you feel smothered. Once there is a bit of distance, you can gradually lessen contact if that's what you want. By the sound of it, she isn't the sort to take no for an answer, so be prepared for the constant calling and messaging.
You need to be on an equal footing with a partner and this relationship is never going to get to that stage, she is displaying too many of these controlling traits to change overnight. Ultimately, she's trying to get you all to herself, just you and her.
So it's now a case of a) stay in the relationship and have to constantly pull her up on the things you've listed (which will be exhausting!) or b) tell her you need a break, then gradually untangle yourself from her.
I know what I'd chose, the freedom to do what I wanted without fear of upsetting a partner!
It peaked my interest when you said another friend didn't like her, but for a different reason... Does it truly have nothing to do with how she is with you?
Sending hugs and strength to you 🤗

Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 08:57

To clarify I obviously don’t care if she does something with a friend that I want to do! I’d actually feel quite relieved

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Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 08:55

DancesWithBadgers · 20/05/2024 08:52

It sounds like she can’t see you as different people and she’s not yet learned how to truly nurture herself or others (understandable if she’s experienced a lot of abuse and neglect). Truly nurturing one another and yourself means being able to have healthy boundaries and to give an appropriate amount of attention.

She seems to equate love to being entitled to someone else’s person, to own them in a way and to be inseparable to the point of extreme codependency. She also seems to be acting out parenting on you maybe in a way she never experienced because she acts as though you’re a needy toddler.

Im sure she does mean well but the sulking, the controlling, the constant need for reassurance and validation to the point of suffocation is harmful for you both.

Whether you’ve accidentally fed into this by showering her with affection and attention because of her past or not or whether she’s encouraged this dynamic by over giving to you - it’s not healthy. It’s draining you and is not a balanced situation.

She’s had a bad past but what does she do to take actual responsibility for her emotional well-being? Doesn’t sound like she’s done therapy and her solution is to essentially use you as her comfort blanket at all times - and the over doing for you is part of that - she knows you don’t need it, she knows you don’t want it but objects to your objections - because this is not about being there for you it’s about fulfilling her own needs.

I doubt this is fixable honestly while with her as it’s so extreme.

This is very insightful. It is definitely becoming co-dependacy. As mentioned upthread, I feel bad if I’m doing something or going somewhere without her due to sulking. Whereas if one of her friends asks her to do something or go somewhere, she’ll tell me she’s told them no because that’s “our thing” or “me and you want to go there”

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JJathome · 20/05/2024 08:54

I don’t know how you’re coping with that. I really don’t.

we were out at the weekend and watched this couple. He couldn’t stop touching her, stroking her back, hands om Lower back. Holding her hand, arm around her neck. And we all commented on it, that it was absolutely suffocating and we didn’t know how she was putting up with it. Even when she went to the bar, he walked with her with his arm around her.

her behaviour is controlling under the guise of care. I personally think uou need to get out now. End it. This isn’t going to get better, it will only get worse.

PoppingTomorrow · 20/05/2024 08:54

Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 07:40

No nothing. I’m a healthy mother of 2 with several successful businesses 😂 perfectly capable of looking after myself. I have adhd but so does she!

she comes from a wealthy family but has had a very difficult teen-adult life. History of abusive relationships so I do try to be gentle with her so as not to upset her.

Back away now. You're already lying to her to get her to back off, walking on eggshells.
The last 2 bullets in your OP are definitely worrying. The others sound irritating as fuck.

Do you want the rest of your life to look like this? If not, leave now before it gets more difficult.

Prepare for histrionics when you do dump her - don't fall for it.

candycane222 · 20/05/2024 08:52

misskatamari · 20/05/2024 07:58

It sounds almost like she's in the fawning trauma response at times. Like she's hypervigilant to other people "not being okay" and is trying to overcompensate and make everything okay to give her a sense of safety. However it's way OTT and she's so wrapped up in that she can't read the actual reality of the situation that her behaviour is doing the opposite.

This doesn't sound like a relationship that is right for you. Her issues are hers to solve, and there are a lot of red flags in her behaviour. It sounds suffocating, and I would definitely be rethinking things.

Insightful post. I wonder if she had to treat a parent like this? I think she probably needs help from a professional. Sadly she may well be doing this to "keep you" but the effect will eventually be the exact opposite. But as @misskatamari saus, she is so deep into her weird understanding of relationships that your actual needs and desires are completely invisible (and irrelevant) to her.

DancesWithBadgers · 20/05/2024 08:52

It sounds like she can’t see you as different people and she’s not yet learned how to truly nurture herself or others (understandable if she’s experienced a lot of abuse and neglect). Truly nurturing one another and yourself means being able to have healthy boundaries and to give an appropriate amount of attention.

She seems to equate love to being entitled to someone else’s person, to own them in a way and to be inseparable to the point of extreme codependency. She also seems to be acting out parenting on you maybe in a way she never experienced because she acts as though you’re a needy toddler.

Im sure she does mean well but the sulking, the controlling, the constant need for reassurance and validation to the point of suffocation is harmful for you both.

Whether you’ve accidentally fed into this by showering her with affection and attention because of her past or not or whether she’s encouraged this dynamic by over giving to you - it’s not healthy. It’s draining you and is not a balanced situation.

She’s had a bad past but what does she do to take actual responsibility for her emotional well-being? Doesn’t sound like she’s done therapy and her solution is to essentially use you as her comfort blanket at all times - and the over doing for you is part of that - she knows you don’t need it, she knows you don’t want it but objects to your objections - because this is not about being there for you it’s about fulfilling her own needs.

I doubt this is fixable honestly while with her as it’s so extreme.

Mrsjayy · 20/05/2024 08:52

Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 08:34

My mind is truly blown seeing it from this perspective.

I am starting to wonder if I’m abusive to her, by allowing her to do so much for me.

Of course not you might be enabling her or putting up with it because of x y z but definitely not abusive, don't get caught in that cycle.

sparkellie · 20/05/2024 08:49

That isn't a relationship I could be in. If you want to stay with her you need to sit down and put some boundaries in place that would make you more comfortable. But it doesn't actually sound like you want to continue the relationship,so you should end it. It's not fair on either of you otherwise.
Having said that she sounds very naive, and the way she is acting is very possibly down to insecurities based on her abusive relationships in the past. They stay with you, and if she doesn't know how to behave in a stable relationship that is something she will need to learn. In all honesty it doesn't sound as though you want to be the person to help her through that though (that's not a criticism - it's bloody hard work) so I really think you need to finish it, and she needs to work on her self esteem and how to have a healthy relationship with herself and others.

LittleMonks11 · 20/05/2024 08:48

Be kind and end this for both your sakes. She needs more therapy by the sounds of it. I feel bad for her to be honest but she's not your responsibility. You can't live in fear of someone's feelings.

C1N1C · 20/05/2024 08:47

Did anyone else read this and think this partner HAS to be a man? These are things so called 'gentlemanly' men reportedly do, and think they should be doing... constant asking whether you're comfortable, pushing themselves into DIY tasks, making sure you're well 'fed and watered', carrying shopping bags...

I personally think this is them trying to be considerate and taking care of you, but I agree, there is a fine line between considerate, and smothering/controlling.

I agree with @BlastedPimples , this often leads to one feeling they do more and holding it against you.

DoubleeDenim · 20/05/2024 08:43

Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 08:34

My mind is truly blown seeing it from this perspective.

I am starting to wonder if I’m abusive to her, by allowing her to do so much for me.

But because she is running around after you, there is the false sense that you are controlling everything, rather than in fact pandering to her needs and preferences all the time.

By this bit I meant that the controlling behaviour can be less obvious, as on the face of it, the things she is doing are caring for ‘your’ needs – when really it’s not at all about your needs – your preferences and boundaries are being completely ignored. The running around after you is her preference, not yours. She’s creating an infantilising dynamic where you’re dependent on her and don’t do anything for yourself. It’s all about meeting her needs – for closeness, enmeshment, etc.

DisforDarkChocolate · 20/05/2024 08:42

The long term result of this is your self-esteem to be crushed by the constant assertion that you need help and can't do things on your own. Run.

Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 08:41

DoubleeDenim · 20/05/2024 08:35

No, you’re absolutely not! What makes you wonder this?

Because she’s had such a traumatic past so I’ve tried to be as caring and as loving as I possibly can, encouraged her to go to therapy etc. I’ve spoiled her emotionally, physically and financially. But while doing this I’ve not put in place any sort of boundaries and now we’ve consumed each others lives. So she sees it as okay to be this way with me, now I’m going to tell her it has to stop. It’s potentially going to come across as me love bombing her and then taking it away?

I’m seeing it differently now, none of it is healthy at all

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DisforDarkChocolate · 20/05/2024 08:37

Small occasional acts like this are fine. Your partner sounds horrendous, and I think what it shows is that they don't believe you.

DoubleeDenim · 20/05/2024 08:35

Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 08:34

My mind is truly blown seeing it from this perspective.

I am starting to wonder if I’m abusive to her, by allowing her to do so much for me.

No, you’re absolutely not! What makes you wonder this?

Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 08:34

DoubleeDenim · 20/05/2024 08:30

I think this is the insidious way it happens – this controlling ‘sensitive’ person does not directly tell you – you can’t do x or necessarily stop you from doing anything in a forceful or ‘aggressive’ way. But you grow to learn what will set off episodes of sulking or guilt tripping, and you know they will emotionally drain you, and you grow to feel a sense of dread around those normal things – e.g. plans with friends – in a way that really takes the joy out of them.

Before you know it, you are missing out on things because you don’t want your mood destabilised by her sulking and emotional reactions. But because she is running around after you, there is the false sense that you are controlling everything, rather than in fact pandering to her needs and preferences all the time. Next thing you know, a couple of years have passed, she’s the only person you ever spend time with, she’s more ‘attentive’ than ever and you feel completely trapped as your life is fully entwined with hers and you feel emotionally and socially dependent on her.

My mind is truly blown seeing it from this perspective.

I am starting to wonder if I’m abusive to her, by allowing her to do so much for me.

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Coolblur · 20/05/2024 08:31

It doesn't really matter that she has ADHD, past trauma, or is possibly 'on the spectrum', all of those are just reasons for behaviour that's making you very uncomfortable, not excuses.
You don't like it, she won't change, just end things between you.

DoubleeDenim · 20/05/2024 08:30

Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 08:09

This has really really just hit home with me. Wow.
when you mention sense of self, I feel I’ve already lost it. I want to book a holiday somewhere with my friends but feel like it will upset her because it’s somewhere she wants to go.

I want to get a pet but feel I can’t because we talked about getting a pet when we moved in (this isn’t going to be happening) and it’ll really upset her.

I want to plan things with other people but again feel she’ll get upset I’m making time for multiple other people and not her.

I feel quite sick now actually, I’ve never ever looked at it this way before. I mean I can’t say for sure she’s going to get upset this could be me making assumptions but I would imagine so.

I think this is the insidious way it happens – this controlling ‘sensitive’ person does not directly tell you – you can’t do x or necessarily stop you from doing anything in a forceful or ‘aggressive’ way. But you grow to learn what will set off episodes of sulking or guilt tripping, and you know they will emotionally drain you, and you grow to feel a sense of dread around those normal things – e.g. plans with friends – in a way that really takes the joy out of them.

Before you know it, you are missing out on things because you don’t want your mood destabilised by her sulking and emotional reactions. But because she is running around after you, there is the false sense that you are controlling everything, rather than in fact pandering to her needs and preferences all the time. Next thing you know, a couple of years have passed, she’s the only person you ever spend time with, she’s more ‘attentive’ than ever and you feel completely trapped as your life is fully entwined with hers and you feel emotionally and socially dependent on her.

Bunnyhair · 20/05/2024 08:26

Are you in a relationship with my mother?

My mother's late partner (also a woman) had the patience of a saint and managed this behaviour (and the correlated martyrish sulks) with a great deal of warmth and humour. But also appreciated the underlying sentiment, having had very uncaring parents herself. So there was something in it that felt good to her, amidst the stuff that felt annoying.

I cannot stand this, and find it overbearing and controlling. I often end up really snapping at my mother when she's wrestling my suitcase out of my hands to carry it for me or physically fighting me to pay for everything in a shop or fussing over whether I really enjoyed the food she made me. I lose my shit and then she sulks and I feel awful.

Her partner used to be able to smooth this over between us, bless her. Now she's gone it's so much harder to work this stuff out.

Bearpawk · 20/05/2024 08:24

She sounds very very desperate to me. That would massively put me off.
You said you've 'jokingly' said I'm not made of glass - I really think you need to start calmly and firmly telling her every time to stop - look her in the eye, be assertive, don't apologise. If she can't modify her behaviour despite you telling her clearly it's smothering you then it's over.

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