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Am I being an arse or is this controlling!?

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Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 07:19

I’m in a lesbian relationship just so we’re clear on genders.

My girlfriend is so overly attentive that it’s really really starting to grate on me but I don’t know if I’m just being a bit of a cow.

examples:

  • driving in my car I turn my air con up 2 degrees from the coldest. She leans forward and says are you cold with a concerned look and goes to adjust the air con again. There’s always just that little extra of whatever so she’s done something to help. I said no leave it. She then said do you want to turn the aircon off? I said no I’m fine. She said do you want my jacket? GAH!!!!
  • out shopping (regularly) she will INSIST on carrying my bags. When I say no she relentlessly asks me to give them to her and it gets so annoying. Sometimes I want to carry my own bags! If I put them down for example to Pay she will pick them up and not give me them back.
  • at the cinema she asks if I’m cold, I say no, I’m quite fine, she’ll take her coat off and put it over me.
  • constantly paws at me and I mean CONSTANTLY has to be holding hands whether it’s driving, walking, sitting on the sofa, at dinner. It’s not just holding hands she holds my hand with one hand and caresses my arms and hands with her other hand. If she’s not doing this she’s stroking my hair or rubbing my head/neck/shoulders/tickling my arm or face.
  • If I’ve asked her to do a task for example could you please grab my keys while I look for my phone, she’ll grab the keys (along with everything else I’m carrying) and then as soon as I mention I’m going to grab my phone she’ll put down what she has and start frantically joining me in looking for my phone. This is a small example but what I’m trying to say is if she’s doing something and notices I’m on a different task she will drop what she’s doing and join me 100%. Cleaning, getting dressed, whatever.
  • always asks if I’ve ate, what I’ve ate, when I’ve ate. Sometimes I lie and say yes when I actually haven’t because I can’t be arsed with “why?” “I’ll Uber you food now what do you want?” “You need to eat” “make sure you eat please”
  • we don’t live together but if she hears I’m doing something like painting a room she insists on coming round and doing it for me, tells me to just sit down and rest. Sometimes I just want to get things done?
  • has to see me every day and kind of sulks if she doesn’t. Which is a real PITA sometimes as I have DC and don’t live overly close to her (D.C. not officially met her yet) So often I’m going out my way to call in before or after work, after school run, when DC are with their dad. Every day! This week she has sulked because she’s “hardly seen me” when I’ve seen her every day just not for as long.
  • she doesn’t like any of my friends and thinks I’m too good for them. She’s not a fan of me going out with them which is very rare. My best friend doesn’t like her for a separate reason but this also plays on my mind.

I’ve gotten irritated a few times and told her I’m not made of bloody glass and can she please stop treating me like an infant. She gets the hump and says she’s just trying to care for me. But I find it really suffocating and a bit controlling! AIBU?

OP posts:
Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 11:40

rainbowstardrops · 20/05/2024 11:33

Blimey, she's very full on! How long have you been together?

Just over a year

OP posts:
TheStickySweethearts · 20/05/2024 11:39

Not RTFT but yes a few red flags there and it wouldnt surprise me one little bit if, in a while, you got married or she got her feet under the table and felt you were dependent, she would flip into the really nasty kind of controlling, overtly controlling what you eat and when, what friends you have, whether you're allowed out of her sight etc. Just sounds like she's going to a LOT of effort to lovebomb here.

rainbowstardrops · 20/05/2024 11:33

Blimey, she's very full on! How long have you been together?

Silvers11 · 20/05/2024 11:31

Howbizarre22 · 20/05/2024 11:14

That’s because with men there is a genuine high risk violence you simply do not see anywhere near as often as with women. The vast majority of coercive, abusive & violent relationships involve men being the perpetrator. Can people who always churn out “ah but if it were the other way round…” please take the time to consider this. It is just not completely comparable.

No - you don't see it as often, but Some Women CAN be and ARE Violent towards their partners ( and children). It's a myth that women never physically attack their partners. It is also true that some men will not react violently to their partners even when they are being physically attacked

In any case, abuse of any kind, by either Men or Women, even if not physical should never be tolerated

GingerIsBest · 20/05/2024 11:17

Howbizarre22 · 20/05/2024 11:14

That’s because with men there is a genuine high risk violence you simply do not see anywhere near as often as with women. The vast majority of coercive, abusive & violent relationships involve men being the perpetrator. Can people who always churn out “ah but if it were the other way round…” please take the time to consider this. It is just not completely comparable.

Yes, agree. I have already posted twice saying I think this relationship should end and that the OP's partner is controlling and smothering and has lots of red flags. I did think in an earlier post that if the OP's partner was a man I'd be really worried about potential violence as part of the break up process. Not that it's impossible with a woman, but it's less likely.

ARichtGoodDram · 20/05/2024 11:16

Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 10:42

Wow I’m so blown away by these messages I actually feel quite emotional. I can’t believe how blind I’ve been to some of this stuff. As cliche as it sounds I never for a minute thought I’d be in this situation.

as I’m writing I’m thinking of all the other things that are actually really emotionally manipulative. Such as when I’ve tried to break it off in the past (due to DC and not being ready to move on with someone new) she’s sent me streams of pictures of her absolutely crying her eyes out, and they frighten me because she looks unwell. She regularly sends me pictures crying herself to sleep. Last time I firmly told her to stop and she did to be fair.

if I do say I’m going out with friends, she conveniently then makes plans with her friends (who she admittedly doesn’t really like enough to socialise with, or socialising in general) but the plans always seem to fall through because she can’t be bothered going out.

I don’t want to seem like I’m bashing her because she really is such a sweet person and she has loved me in every way possible, I do very much love her, but I’m shocked at how differently I’m seeing this now.

She’s not a sweet person.

She’s very manipulative. Being sweet at times doesn’t change her nature anymore than violent person being nice sometimes doesn’t change theirs

Abusive relationships come in many forms and it’s very easy to miss someone’s controlling nature if they do it in a ‘nice’ way.

Howbizarre22 · 20/05/2024 11:14

LakeTiticaca · 20/05/2024 11:09

As other pps have already stated, if this were a man the replies would be nowhere near as kind as they are. It would be simple "just get the f*ck out"
I truly believe you need to end this now, block all channels of communication, don't let her manipulate you ( any more than she already is) don't give in to it, for your own and your children's sakes

That’s because with men there is a genuine high risk violence you simply do not see anywhere near as often as with women. The vast majority of coercive, abusive & violent relationships involve men being the perpetrator. Can people who always churn out “ah but if it were the other way round…” please take the time to consider this. It is just not completely comparable.

fatigueasaurus · 20/05/2024 11:11

The touching, air con , cleaning up etc could be nice and thoughtful but when you tell her no she doesn't listen. So it's smothering.

The not liking you seeing your friends, insisting on seeing you everyday is controlling.

I suspect it would only get worse the more you commit. I'm guessing you already have to think about how she will react to something's and is it worth the grief. You are adapting your life to meet her needs but she doesn't respect your.

Escapingafter50years · 20/05/2024 11:10

She's actually not mentally well enough to be in a relationship. She needs professional help, and to focus on that. You cannot do it for her.

She won't allow you to be you. She doesn't accept your no, you're not permitted boundaries. It's all about her. Very narcissistic (there are a variety of narcissistic types, they're not all the loudmouth march-over-everyone sort). Exceptionally controlling and using mind games to get you back in line. The isolation from your friends, as pointed out, is a major red flag (in a sea of red flags).

Going by the tears behaviour, I'd just like to flag something with you. If/when you break up, it's possible she will threaten suicide. If that happens, it's manipulation. You are not the best person to help her in a situation like this, call emergency services. This may help get her on the road towards the support she actually needs.

It's sad and it's hard, but her life is her responsibility. Your life is your responsibility. She's trying to take your life over, you need to extract yourself.

Howbizarre22 · 20/05/2024 11:10

I didn’t think there was any overly concerning until your last bullet point about her disapproving of all your friends and of you going out with them and them not liking her. And the other point about her sulking if you don’t see her. These things are red flags to me because they are usually the first signs of control/coercion. Before I read these points I was just thinking she’s insecure & this is a classic case of anxious and avoidant people together in a relationship.
Id say firstly sit down and communicate all this to her if you like her a lot & want to try make it work but honestly I feel it probably won’t change sounds like she needs to do a lot of healing and work on herself as these issues are usually deep rooted from childhood.

LakeTiticaca · 20/05/2024 11:09

As other pps have already stated, if this were a man the replies would be nowhere near as kind as they are. It would be simple "just get the f*ck out"
I truly believe you need to end this now, block all channels of communication, don't let her manipulate you ( any more than she already is) don't give in to it, for your own and your children's sakes

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 20/05/2024 11:08

Im feeling suffocated just reading this. Way too intense, way too much touching, way too many boundaries being crossed, way too many red flags. If you're not ready to end things you could try couples therapy. Loves not enough. She needs to be willing to respect your boundaries, listen to you and back the fuck up with all the possessive smothering behaviour. No matter the reason for her behaviours, they're incredibly damaging to any person she's in a relationship with and to herself as well. That's providing she's not a garden variety abuser. The tell is whether she's willing to accept this behaviour is unhealthy and work on actually changing it or not. Watch her behaviour not her words, verbal commitments mean nothing if her actions doesn't show she is actually working to change things.

dragonscannotswim · 20/05/2024 11:07

Yes, she is controlling. Red flags: not liking your friends, stopping you from seeing them, sulking, not listening to you.

I'd dump her.

Silvers11 · 20/05/2024 11:04

Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 09:59

Update: since starting this thread she has sent me 14 messages. 3 of which I’ve replied to. The last one me saying I’m feeling a bit down and I can’t really be bothered constantly texting. She’s replied saying I’m pushing her away, she’s worried about me, she’s here for me, I’m the most beautiful person she’s ever laid eyes on, she’s so proud of the person I am, I have her and her families support always, she feels helpless that she can’t help me or “take it all away”

im not sure what to reply

@Dancehalldarling There may be all sorts of reasons why she is behaving this way, but it doesn't sound like something that can be fixed because a) she is far too 'needy, OR b) she has a controlling and abusive nature and she is love-bombing you while pretending that she is just concerned for you or c) a mixture of things

In any event your posts are sending up a number of 🚩🚩🚩

On here, people giving you advice/comments are almost universally kindly and being supportive - but if your partner was a man, replies would be screaming that he's awful and you need to LTB ( or similar) and why on earth are you staying with him etc. etc.

We don't like to acknowledge it to ourselves, but there are plenty of women who behave just as badly as any man, have narcissistic traits and are every bit as controlling as their male counterparts. I suspect you are feeling the 'ick' because subconsciously you are aware that her behaviour is not normal? Maybe?

You have told her you have 'boundaries' and she ignores them. If you are sure that you have been very clear about what those boundaries are, I would reply that you can't cope with the smothering, end the relationship and then block her. Sure she will cry and try to emotionally blackmail you. Don't let her!! 14 messages since you started your post 😳is ridiculous

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Animatic · 20/05/2024 11:02

I wouldn't have gone into relationship with a man like that, that's suffocating and controlling bordering on co-dependency.
Even reading your OP triggers me.

GingerIsBest · 20/05/2024 11:02

Also, the pawing, when you've specifically told her you don't like it, is heading into sexual harassment, or even sexual assault, territory. You have the right to bodily autonomy no matter how much she might like to touch you.

Starlight1979 · 20/05/2024 11:00

Such as when I’ve tried to break it off in the past (due to DC and not being ready to move on with someone new) she’s sent me streams of pictures of her absolutely crying her eyes out, and they frighten me because she looks unwell. She regularly sends me pictures crying herself to sleep.

What the fuck?!

No, just no. End it now.

Nanny0gg · 20/05/2024 10:57

Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 07:49

The pawing does drive me insane. I get quite overstimulated by that sort of thing. Wherever we are let’s say a queue or at a till waiting to pay she’ll be stroking my hips or back with the back of her hand. If I say I’m not in the mood for all this she takes offence and says her love language is physical touch so feels she needs to be always touching me.

my friends have been a bit crap over the last year (whole other story) but in my opinion nothing that warrants not liking them or I wouldn’t still be friends with them

Isn't the point of a 'love language' that it benefits the recipient, not that it's done to make the giver feel good?

She would drive me screaming up the wall! I couldn't bear it

tattygrl · 20/05/2024 10:56

Be proud of yourself OP that you're taking the comments in, and are able to look at things through a new framework. That can be difficult to do, especially when you do love the person. I strongly believe that you need to get out of this relationship.

People aren't morally black and white 99% of the time. She very well might be doing these things unintentionally/subconsciously, due to malformed coping mechanisms and so on. Or it could be a mix - some things are done intentionally to keep you tangled in, while others are done compulsively because it's how she's used to coping. Regardless, the impact on you is and will be major, and hugely damaging.

AutumnFroglets · 20/05/2024 10:56

Such as when I’ve tried to break it off in the past (due to DC and not being ready to move on with someone new) she’s sent me streams of pictures of her absolutely crying her eyes out, and they frighten me because she looks unwell.
Surprised she didn't say she would kill herself unless you come back. She deliberately sent those pictures because she knew you had no boundaries left.

You are in an abusive relationship. Get out while you can. You cannot fix her, or make it better.

Starlight1979 · 20/05/2024 10:55

Dancehalldarling · 20/05/2024 10:00

I’m in love with her too, but I am starting to recognise very unhealthy patterns in the relationship. Which, out of love and respect, I want to stop.

I don't think you are OP. And that's fine. Don't try to force something because you feel bad / feel like you need to do the right thing...

BusyMummy001 · 20/05/2024 10:53

YNBU. ‘Love’ is about listening and respect. I love when my DH offers to help or asks if I need it, and love when he respects me when I tell him I’m fine. I also love it when he listens when I ask for help and gives me the actual help I’ve asked for and not the help he thinks I need.

For balance, though, he also pisses me off from time to time when he doesn’t notice I’m about to collapse under the weight of the shopping, am on my knees from decorating, or when he decides to tidy things away that I did not ask him to - and I then cannot bloody find them 5mins later!! Usually it’s an empty wine glass that I was heading over to the fridge to get a bottle and refill…

So, no, your GF is simply not listening - either in the moment or to your requests to back off and respect you. She isn’t hearing, seeing, or valuing you as she should be. She is feeding a model of herself as a caring, thoughtful and loving person… it’s a form of narcissism.

lhlh · 20/05/2024 10:52

This is just way too much. And she seems to have an answer for everything. It sounds like you would have so much more time for yourself and your kids - and wider friends/family - if you stopped this suffocating relationship.

Greenflamesburn · 20/05/2024 10:52

So you tried to leave/ call ot off and she emotionally railroaded you to stay.
Please take a look at the below @Dancehalldarling

Am I being an arse or is this controlling!?
Coffeegincarbs · 20/05/2024 10:51

"She regularly send me pictures of her crying herself to sleep!"

She's not well, has no emotional regulation and she's trying too hard in this relationship to make you "fix" her and make her happy. I'd break up in a neutral space and be very wary afterwards. Don't offer to "just be friends" as that'll give her hope that if she pleases you enough you'll rekindle the relationship.