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To think that the CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis should be fired?

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WandsOut · 20/05/2024 00:59

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5dc99960-be22-448d-ae42-371a058dce7f?shareToken=810c030b858153875ba6f64bd858ed8d

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This is an absolute nightmare of a case. If you've not been aware of it before now it's time to wake up and take a hard look at what is happening in women's support services across the UK. There seems to be a concerted effort to dismantle women's boundaries and withdraw support from vulnerable women who need spaces away from men.

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WandsOut · 20/05/2024 21:44

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mridul_Wadhwa

Mridul's wiki page has grown today but someone is a tad biased.

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nauticant · 20/05/2024 21:42

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The Tribunal felt that given the complete absence of any explanation for NC and MW giving evidence then we were entitled to draw an adverse inference as to what their evidence would have been in relation to those matters where the respondent’s position conflicted with the claimant’s evidence.

The moral if the tale is don't leave an evidential vacuum to be filled by your opponent who comes across as being reliable and truthful.

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 21:42

Oof.

'NC carried out the investigation and made the decision to widen it and speak to individuals who had absolutely nothing to do with the original allegations but simply wished to bad-mouth the claimant on the basis of her allegedly transphobic views. '

This organisation gets around a million of tax payers money a year, I understand? And they're running it like a playgroup for sociopathic toddlers.

nauticant · 20/05/2024 21:40

I'm working my way through the judgment and was interested to find myself in the part dealing with the credibility of witnesses. The tribunal panel found the claimant "to be a careful witness who was anxious to be totally truthful in her evidence."

However:

183. When dealing with the evidence it would be remiss of us not to mention the most significant issue in relation to the respondent’s case which was their failure to call MW [Mridul Wadhwa] or NC [Nico Ciubotariu]. It was clear that these were 2 leading actors to what had taken place. NC carried out the investigation and made the decision to widen it and speak to individuals who had absolutely nothing to do with the original allegations but simply wished to bad-mouth the claimant on the basis of her allegedly transphobic views. There were clearly a number of questions which NC was required to answer and NC was not called to give evidence. Other than saying that NC no longer worked for the organisation absolutely no explanation was provided for this.

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 20/05/2024 20:11

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 19:32

Well, yes, I agree. But given that he is just as much a man as any other man, he has no claim or legal right whatsoever for taking that job.

Absolutely. If there were any doubt in my post, I'm sorry.

DungareesAndTrombones · 20/05/2024 20:06

Arraminta · 20/05/2024 17:53

Am so sick and tired of men cosplaying at being women whilst telling actual women that their experiences aren't relevant.

This with bells and fucking whistles on.

Idra · 20/05/2024 20:00

Airdustmoon · 20/05/2024 18:10

Having read the judgment in full, AB also needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.

“Overblown” is what the judgement says. I agree.

Idra · 20/05/2024 19:57

This judgement must be so difficult for the management and funders connected to Edinburgh Rate Crisis. I sincerely hope they are able to reframe their trauma.

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 19:32

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Well, yes, I agree. But given that he is just as much a man as any other man, he has no claim or legal right whatsoever for taking that job.

FOJN · 20/05/2024 19:32

IbisDancer · 20/05/2024 15:35

Thank you for assuming I am uninformed.

A CEO is not a role that requires they do any personal or intimate care or service for women in which privacy is needed. A CEO should only be interacting with upper management, they should not be doing any F2F with front line support workers or service users at all.

In your smear test example, the comparable isn’t the nurse doing the smear test, but the head GP of your surgery. Do you think the head GP should be a woman because they supervise nurses doing smear tests in the same building?

I think the case law is trending more towards my opinion in regards upper management roles like CEO.

I agree that no one should be refused help like happened at Edinburgh.

No one should be forced or asked to see a male support worker if they want a female one, or turned away if they refuse.

I agree a GOR for female only support workers would apply to a rape crisis centre for women.

But not to the CEO role.

No problem, happy to state the obvious.

Do you think that the CEO of a multi national cooperation does the same things day to day as a the CEO of small business. You seem unable to differentiate between a large company and a charity. There may be very little in the way of "senior management" between the executive board and employees in smaller organisations so a CEO will quite likely deal face to face with non management employees and clients. Source - two CEO's of small/medium businesses of my acquaintance.

In my example the management at my GP surgery would not accuse me of bigotry for requesting a woman to do my smear test so no I wouldn't give a shit what sex they are. FYI GP surgeries employ practice managers so that doctors can stick to medicine.

EdenPalmersTerfAuntie · 20/05/2024 18:42

IbisDancer · 20/05/2024 15:55

Not really. I posted a longer comment and one part caused umbrage amongst a number of posters because I dared to suggest a CEO is not a role that should be restricted to the female sex. If there were tolerance of a variety of opinions, then there wouldn’t be the personal attacks.

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Can you give us some reasons why a man might make a more suitable CEO at a RCC?

Arraminta · 20/05/2024 18:31

A GRC is just a piece of paper, not an X chromosome.

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 20/05/2024 18:27

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pottydimley · 20/05/2024 18:27

Yes, absolutely. Shouldn't have been appointed in the first place.

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Airdustmoon · 20/05/2024 18:10

Having read the judgment in full, AB also needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 18:10

https://www.writetothem.com/

For those in Scotland, if you want to ask for an enquiry into what is going on in Rape Crisis Scotland and/or ERCC, writing to your MSP may be a good start.

WriteToThem

WriteToThem is a website which provides an easy way to contact MPs, councillors and other elected representatives.

https://www.writetothem.com

ickky · 20/05/2024 17:59

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 17:58

If so, India is not passing.

It was ever thus.

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 17:58

WoshPank · 20/05/2024 17:54

Dear me, is India identifying as a legal expert today?

If so, India is not passing.

WoshPank · 20/05/2024 17:54

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 20/05/2024 17:43

IW has not read the same judgement as other people. Screenshots from the FWS Twitter feed.

Dear me, is India identifying as a legal expert today?

Arraminta · 20/05/2024 17:53

Am so sick and tired of men cosplaying at being women whilst telling actual women that their experiences aren't relevant.

nauticant · 20/05/2024 17:52

WandsOut · 20/05/2024 17:43

Do we have a list of the board members and their affiliations?

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC291742/officers

DodoPatrol · 20/05/2024 17:49

India Willoughby will never be able to see a women's viewpoint on this. IW's views are not worth giving headspace, as they only ever consider the trans side, not the female side.

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