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What if I can’t get on the plane?

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Northerngirl345 · 19/05/2024 22:30

My best friend and I are due to be flying long haul on Friday. I am a terrible flyer, it terrifies me, but I decided that if I booked fancy seats (business class) and could natter with my best friend the whole way - I’d be fine.

Well, today was the day to book seats and we can’t get two seats together. I’ve spent 2 hours on the phone to the airline and they say they can’t help. I even thought about upgrading to first class but this was going to cost £8k and they STILL couldn’t promise we’d be sat together as I’d have to pay before seeing what seats were available. I don’t actually have a spare £8k but I was tempted until I realised it wouldn’t solve my problem.

Now I just feel like I don’t want to go. I was already super nervous and this has pushed me over the edge.

My best friend flies alone all the time and can’t see the big deal. She thinks we’ll “laugh about this one day”.

Has anyone got any ideas to help me here?

YABU - suck it up and get on the plane
YANBU - cancel the trip / find a way to get 2 seats together.

OP posts:
changeme4this · 21/05/2024 19:59

Some business class configurations are not twin seats either..

personally I would seek out proper medication rather then rely on wine for long haul. As the alcohol wears off your anxiety will increase with a vengeance. I just arrived home from a flight that was re-routed due to turbulence and although I have a strong stomach, had I consumed several glasses of wine, I think the seat would have been wearing it.

Rocknrollstar · 21/05/2024 19:39

What else are you doing to help with your panic? A friend takes Valium and listens to meditation tapes in advance of flying.

Dynababy · 21/05/2024 19:38

You will be fine - ask at the desk prior to boarding they may be able to juggle but also in business .. well .. you’ll have a lot of solo travellers travelling with work .. who won’t care if they swap their seat so you could just ask nicely if they would mind swapping and I’m sure you can sit together. You’ll be fine.

Pippa12 · 21/05/2024 19:27

I had hypnotherapy for my fear of flying- worth every penny. I had a few sessions but some therapists advertise relief in just 1 session! Last time I took off reading a book 😂

saltinesandcoffeecups · 21/05/2024 19:20

user1485851222 · 21/05/2024 18:29

If you can't get seats together, explain to the person you are next to that you areca nervous flyer and would they mind holding your hand for take-off and landing. I'm sure they won't mind. Enjoy your holiday, the flight is just a short part of it....

Huh?! I cant work out if this was a joke or a serious suggestion. Just in case- OP don’t do this.

user1485851222 · 21/05/2024 18:29

If you can't get seats together, explain to the person you are next to that you areca nervous flyer and would they mind holding your hand for take-off and landing. I'm sure they won't mind. Enjoy your holiday, the flight is just a short part of it....

Judecb · 21/05/2024 18:25

I too am a nervous flyer, so I completely understand. As others have said, try to get to the airport early and speak to a member or airline staff, I'm sure they'll help if they can. I get valium on prescription from my GP - this really takes the edge off. Maybe you could discuss it with your GP? Good luck, and please don't let your fears stop you from flying.

justasking111 · 21/05/2024 13:51

A flight back from Venezuela, that was like Alton towers ride. But we're still here. Kids thought it awesome

Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 21/05/2024 13:37

You are probably unsettled by today’s news OP. My take on it would be this- the turbulence was so severe that people were thrown up to the ceiling but the plane landed safely. The takeaway point here is that you should wear your seatbelt at all times, including when sleeping in a flat bed.

It does not mean that a plane is more likely to crash.

curiouslycoy · 20/05/2024 16:17

Frequent business class long haul traveller here. I've seen on more than one occasion people swap who are on their own. So it's worth scouting the cabin and asking if anyone would swap. In example two people were solo travelling sat beside one another and swapped.

DH, DS and me had 2 seats together and one across the aisle. It was £250 to choose seats and we thought we would risk it, in the knowledge they wouldn't separate DS from us as he's young.

Also most business class seats as others have pointed out are not that close together. There's so much to do flying business, three course meals that you choose from a menu, snacks that come round, the entertainment on board as you have in economy but with a bed, warm towel and complimentary Champagne when you get on. You don't need your friend there necessarily.

Perfectlystill · 20/05/2024 13:57

So many angry people on this thread, and with random axes to grind!

OP I got diazepam for flying from the doc last month. They help relax you as much as a glass of wine, roughly.

Long haul is much better than short haul, usually, as the planes are bigger and higher and seem more stable.

Tell the cabin crew you have fear of flying - they are usually lovely.

tara66 · 20/05/2024 13:22

Can you get a nervous flyer ''lesson''? If too late for that, search YouTube for a video.

SeriaMau · 20/05/2024 13:21

Northerngirl345 · 19/05/2024 23:39

Thanks so much all, there’s some great advice here. I already take 10mg of propranolol every day for anxiety so I’ll make sure I save it for take off. I’ll also be sure to have a few morning wines in the lounge pre take-off.

Hmmm. Go easy on the drugs and alcohol cocktail.

McSpoot · 20/05/2024 13:18

Blondeshavemorefun · 20/05/2024 12:13

You have to pay with any airline if want to sit together

Not true at all. I cannot remember the last time I've paid for seat selection in business class (though Lufthansa and Swiss, for example, have some seats that are an extra charge). Are there some airlines where most fares have an additional charge for seat selection (even in business)? Yes, absolutely (BA being one) but categorically wrong to state that "You have to pay with any airline if you want to sit together".

notimagain · 20/05/2024 13:15

@DappledThings

But it makes sense they want people to rest as much as possible so not that surprising that made a day flight dark too.

I think it's fair to say OP's flight could go either way.

Yep, depends on the airline but you often get lots of connecting passengers in BC on many routes so to some extent it’s easier for the crew have to cater for those that want/need sleep.

Darned frustrating if you are one of the outliers who wants to enjoy the view - IMO tinted windows controlled by the cabin crew are the work of the devil….

justasking111 · 20/05/2024 13:13

GreyBlind · 20/05/2024 07:55

Most NHS GPs will not give diazepam for flying anymore.

I have copied the following from a GP website. You might find a private doctor who is willing. But it is definitely not recommended.

*Prescribing these drugs is not recommended any more for these reasons:

  1. Although plane emergencies are rare, taking Diazepam reduces awareness and reaction times for patients so you risk not being able to react to save your life if you have to escape quickly. You may also put other people in danger by getting in their way or making them help you.
  2. The use of these drugs can make you sleep in an unnaturally deep sleep. This means you won’t move around as much as during natural sleep so you have a bigger risk of getting a blood clot (Deep Vein Thrombosis – DVT) in the leg or lungs. Blood clots are very dangerous and can kill. This risk is bigger if your flight is longer than 4 hours.
  3. They have short term bad effects on memory, co-ordination, concentration and reaction times, and are addictive if used for a long time, with withdrawal leading to fits, hallucinations, agitation and confusion. They have also become widely used drugs of abuse since they first came on the market. Diazepam in the UK is a controlled drug. The prescribing guidelines doctors have to follow say that that use to treat short-term ‘mild’ anxiety is inappropriate. They are only to be used short term for a ‘crisis in generalised anxiety’. But if you are having such a crisis you are not likely to be fit to fly. Fear of flying in isolation is not a generalised anxiety disorder.
  4. Some people get agitated and aggressive after taking diazepam and similar drugs, and behave in a way that they would not normally, which can pose a risk on the plane. This affects everyone’s safety and could get you into trouble with the law. A similar effect can be seen with alcohol, which has led to people being removed from flights.
  5. There is evidence use of these drugs stops the normal adjustment response that would gradually lessen anxiety over time, and may increase anxiety in the long term, especially if used repeatedly.
  6. Diazepam and similar controlled drugs are illegal in a number of countriesi. They may be confiscated or you may find yourself in trouble with the police.
  7. Diazepam stays in your system for some time. If your job or sport needs you to have random drug testing you may fail this having taken diazepam.
  8. It is important to tell your travel insurer about your medical conditions and medications you take. If not, there is a risk of your insurer not paying if you try to make a claim.
So we will no longer be providing Diazepam or similar drugs for flight anxiety. Instead please try one of these aviation industry recommended flight anxiety courses.*

What a cop out, when I've known zombie mummies at the school gates whose GPs prescribed god knows what.

User764 · 20/05/2024 13:08

I had diazepam prescribed and that was really helpful. But even more useful was a really good book, 'Flying with Confidence' by BA with info and practical suggestions. I was really sceptical but it was amazing - explained how a plane works, what most of the noises are, turbulence, and so on. It also had tips for reducing anxiety with breathing and muscle exercises. Because of that, I don't even always need the diazepam now. (And I used to be a shaking, crying, vomiting wreck on flights, so it really has effected a massive change.)

DappledThings · 20/05/2024 12:29

MuskerHounds · 20/05/2024 12:20

No. Did you see my follow-up where I confirmed this was exactly my experience less than a week ago on a day flight in BC?

Was the airline being run by Gina Ford?

Not that I was aware of! It was slightly unexpected. On the way out I expected it because we left at noon but going East that quickly became a night flight. But it makes sense they want people to rest as much as possible so not that surprising that made a day flight dark too.

I think it's fair to say OP's flight could go either way.

Soozikinzii · 20/05/2024 12:29

Those ashwagandha gummies are good for anxiety but try them first as they can cause nausea .

Neopolitana8 · 20/05/2024 12:24

I really sympathise op.

I think it’s better to disappoint your friend now than at check-in.

Unopenedpackofmenssocks · 20/05/2024 12:24

You’re not even really sitting next to people in long haul lie flat business. All very enclosed. The centre seats sometimes have a partition you can lower if you want to interact with a companion but it’s up and private by default. All seats have same access to the aisle.

OP, are either of you or your friend already in the middle section? If not, you are both going to have to move if you want to hold her hand.

If one of you is middle and one of you is window then you have a good shout at getting the person in the other half of the middle seat pair to swap, because window seats are slightly nicer and still have same access to the aisle.

Jaxhog · 20/05/2024 12:23

I'd don't like flying either, but business class on long haul is completely different to short haul economy. You'll likely be in a little cubicle, where you disturb no-one, you have aisle access and lovely noise cancelling head phones. But do ask at check in if they can move you.

I flew to Buenos Aires last year (16 hours) and it was fine.

Pettyman · 20/05/2024 12:23

I quite like flying (although long haul can be bum-numbing) but I always feel full of anxiety before the flight. On the way to the airport I try deep breathing. I can’t eat when I get there and I look round at other people just getting on with it and I wonder how they can. Once at the gate I sort of start to calm down and getting onto the plane is exciting because I feel so proud that I’m doing it 🤣 Try to sit in an aisle seat. You can have a good look around at what everyone is doing etc. Once the plane starts to move away from the terminal the excitement is overwhelming. Don’t give in and not go. Once you do that the fear will have got the better of you. Have a fab time x

FrenchandSaunders · 20/05/2024 12:21

My DD is cabin crew and she regularly has passengers who are terrified of flying. She's more than happy to reassure and keep an eye on them.

Also, have a drink or three in the airport and maybe you'll fall asleep for a big part of the journey!

MuskerHounds · 20/05/2024 12:20

No. Did you see my follow-up where I confirmed this was exactly my experience less than a week ago on a day flight in BC?

Was the airline being run by Gina Ford?

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