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To be so completely shocked by the blood scandal

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ChristmasGutPunch · 19/05/2024 17:19

I knew a lot of children got sick and died in later life but I thought it was a terrible accident or oversight. A mistake because we didn't know any better. I had no idea there was a conscious decision to infect small boys on purpose to see what happened. How can this possibly have happened? How come I didn't realise the full extent until now??

If I were an affected family member I'd want to murder those involved. It's unbearable.

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ButterflyKu · 19/05/2024 20:44

Up to 27,000 people caught it when they were given transfusions with infected blood from the 1970s until 1991.

And this is just one of the many reasons why Jehovah Witnesses don’t take blood transfusions. This is just disgusting

It absolutely isn't ffs

-edited to clarify - yes it’s disgusting, but absolutely not why JW abstain from blood:

Why don’t Jehovah’s Witnesses accept blood transfusions?

This is a religious issue rather than a medical one. Both the Old and New Testaments clearly command us to abstain from blood. (Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:10; Deuteronomy 12:23; Acts 15:28, 29) Also, God views blood as representing life. (Leviticus 17:14) So we avoid taking blood not only in obedience to God but also out of respect for him as the Giver of life.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jehovahs-witnesses-why-no-blood-transfusions/

Pootlepins · 19/05/2024 20:48

Reading 7 year old, Colin John Smiths story made me absolutely weep.

What his poor parents went through and still do to this day is just so painful and they, and all the other victims of this scandal should not be still going through this fight for justice and recognition of the horrendous way everybody involved have behaved.

ButterflyKu · 19/05/2024 20:44

Up to 27,000 people caught it when they were given transfusions with infected blood from the 1970s until 1991.

And this is just one of the many reasons why Jehovah Witnesses don’t take blood transfusions. This is just disgusting

ChristmasGutPunch · 19/05/2024 20:41

And yes the dad who lost his job because his little boy contracted HIV and everyone shunned the family. Fuck. How do we live with ourselves as a species?

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ChristmasGutPunch · 19/05/2024 20:40

Whyhaveibeencutoutofmamsnot · 19/05/2024 20:15

Who actually produced and supplied the stuff - wasn't it the American government - did they say it was safe

No - to be clear, senior people in the NHS and government chose to infect "PUPs" (previously untreated persons... Also mostly children) with HIV, hepatitis, other bloodborne disease. Knowing this would happen. Partly so they could monitor the prospects of the infected children as time went on. This was in my lifetime and I'm not yet 50.

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BobbyBiscuits · 19/05/2024 20:35

It really was a massive coverup. There was a blood plasma product called Koate made by a subsidiary of Bayer I think. Donors were often prisoners or homeless drug users.
On the instructions for use it says in bold that Hep C should be assumed to be present as it had not been screened. They still used it. For many years. It's so shocking. And the experiments they did?! Words fail me.

Whyhaveibeencutoutofmamsnot · 19/05/2024 20:30

CitrineRaindropPhoenix · 19/05/2024 20:22

Yes it was the US government and they said it wasn't safe. They said it was the cheapest available and not recommended.

So was this the time when the Tory government was making us accept the cheapest available of everything.

CitrineRaindropPhoenix · 19/05/2024 20:22

Whyhaveibeencutoutofmamsnot · 19/05/2024 20:15

Who actually produced and supplied the stuff - wasn't it the American government - did they say it was safe

Yes it was the US government and they said it wasn't safe. They said it was the cheapest available and not recommended.

FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren · 19/05/2024 20:22

It's absolutely disgusting, I've been reading the stories of the victims. One that really bothered me was a little boy that contracted HIV as a result, the stigma attached to it back then meant that he & his family were shunned by the whole community and the house was graffitied. Just awful 😒.

Whyhaveibeencutoutofmamsnot · 19/05/2024 20:15

Who actually produced and supplied the stuff - wasn't it the American government - did they say it was safe

PurplePansy05 · 19/05/2024 19:51

It is true both Conservative and Labour governments could have sorted it out and didn't (we're looking at you too, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown) but the problem was created by a Conservative government and there were many more Conservative governments since the 70s/80s. For that reason yet again I will say kudos to Theresa May for finally getting this enquiry underway and picking probably the best of all people to chair it.

renthead · 19/05/2024 18:43

Canada paid victims of its blood scandal in 2006! It is shocking that it has been dragged out for so long.

OrangeCrusher · 19/05/2024 18:23

I knew twins with haemophilia, one died at 16 the other at 20 from contaminated blood products. That was 30 years ago, everyone at the time knew it was because of contamination. I can’t believe this has gone on so long, but I suppose the government will save a fortune in compensation because most affected are dead now.

CitrineRaindropPhoenix · 19/05/2024 18:22

"Labour, Tory and coalition governments have had the chance to sort this out over the last five decades. This is not just a Tory issue; it’s a systematic problem with U.K. government and the civil service, as well as the NHS. The automatic reaction of the state, including the NHS is to deny, deny, deny. And then when that fails stall, stall, stall and grind people down. Just look at the post office scandal as well. Another massive failure."

Thank you @Tryingtokeepgoing. Absolutely spot on. The establishment rallies round to hide, obfuscate and delay.

CitrineRaindropPhoenix · 19/05/2024 18:19

Hiker50 · 19/05/2024 18:01

The nasty conservative government have been avoiding paying out for years. Ireland paid compensation and had a proper inquiry over a decade ago.
It's appalling.

All governments have avoided paying out.

The issue of blood supply was first raised by David Owen in 1973 and ignored repeatedly while the government bought blood from the US which at the time paid for donations so the people donating really needed the money and we're also more likely to be living lifestyles which caused them to be infected with various diseases which were passed on in the blood donations.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 19/05/2024 18:12

Another in a long list of failures and cover ups. Anyone who thinks that governments in general are above state sanctioned experiments on its population and avoidance of the consequences is naive in the extreme.

I'll just tack Nuclear test veterans on the end as I've got skin (and possible genetics) in that game.

But in order not to de-rail, yes the blood scandal is particularly heinous and callous. Heads should roll.

PurplePansy05 · 19/05/2024 18:11

Tryingtokeepgoing · 19/05/2024 18:08

Labour, Tory and coalition governments have had the chance to sort this out over the last five decades. This is not just a Tory issue; it’s a systematic problem with U.K. government and the civil service, as well as the NHS. The automatic reaction of the state, including the NHS is to deny, deny, deny. And then when that fails stall, stall, stall and grind people down. Just look at the post office scandal as well. Another massive failure.

And maternity scandals which continue. Only few days ago Donna Ockenden went public with her comments that the delays in maternity care improvements since her reports are unacceptable.

The NHS culture is awful and it must change urgently. They are denying their negligence ramping up costs and pay outs instead of doing their jobs properly and investing in their services in the first place which would be best for patients, and the NHS itself. It's appalling and the infected blood scandal is no different.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 19/05/2024 18:08

Hiker50 · 19/05/2024 18:01

The nasty conservative government have been avoiding paying out for years. Ireland paid compensation and had a proper inquiry over a decade ago.
It's appalling.

Labour, Tory and coalition governments have had the chance to sort this out over the last five decades. This is not just a Tory issue; it’s a systematic problem with U.K. government and the civil service, as well as the NHS. The automatic reaction of the state, including the NHS is to deny, deny, deny. And then when that fails stall, stall, stall and grind people down. Just look at the post office scandal as well. Another massive failure.

Puygo · 19/05/2024 18:08

gosh I havent followed this story other than headlines. I assumed it was a mistake too. So they wittingly infected children with hiv ?

PurplePansy05 · 19/05/2024 18:07

And it's absolutely true consecutive UK governments were brushing it under the carpet to avoid paying out. In particular the Conservative governments because this issue became known under the Thatcher government at the time and Ken Clarke ignored it.

I applaud Theresa May for finally starting this enquiry. It took 7 years though!

UK governments have form for avoiding responsibility for decades - read up about Primodos, there are no words.

Psychoticbreak · 19/05/2024 18:04

Hiker50 · 19/05/2024 18:01

The nasty conservative government have been avoiding paying out for years. Ireland paid compensation and had a proper inquiry over a decade ago.
It's appalling.

Longer! My ex MIL had been paid out years before I met or married her son and that was early 2000!

PurplePansy05 · 19/05/2024 18:04

The entire thing is a disgrace. Ken Clarke should be held liable for this and I truly hope he will be.

The report is coming out tomorrow and it will be worse than anyone expected I think. Watch this space, the echoes of this will be far reaching.

There are no words or money that could ever compensate the victims or their families, it's beyond tragic.

Comtesse · 19/05/2024 18:03

Plus it is truly shocking is how long it has taken for this enquiry to happen in the UK. The equivalent review happened in say France about 20 years ago. More secrecy and obfuscation and delay - horrible.

Hiker50 · 19/05/2024 18:01

The nasty conservative government have been avoiding paying out for years. Ireland paid compensation and had a proper inquiry over a decade ago.
It's appalling.

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