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To be so completely shocked by the blood scandal

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ChristmasGutPunch · 19/05/2024 17:19

I knew a lot of children got sick and died in later life but I thought it was a terrible accident or oversight. A mistake because we didn't know any better. I had no idea there was a conscious decision to infect small boys on purpose to see what happened. How can this possibly have happened? How come I didn't realise the full extent until now??

If I were an affected family member I'd want to murder those involved. It's unbearable.

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Alexandra2001 · 20/05/2024 13:56

Neopolitana8 · 20/05/2024 13:03

It’s completely horrific in every way!

Something similar happened in France and those responsible were all prosecuted!

What is happening in uk?

Nothing.
The inquiry hasn't the power to call for criminal action.

Burnham has called for it, brave considering he was Health Sec.

To me, this compensation thing is purely down to the Tories believing they wont be in power to find the money, £ billions of it.

But one of the most decent things the Tories have done over the last 14 years is Theresa May instigating this inquiry BUT why has it take 7 years to get to this stage???

JenniferBooth · 20/05/2024 13:50

StripeyChina · 20/05/2024 13:06

Yes - the authorities were waiting for people to die so they had to pay out less £.

I hope those responsible are brought to justice (as much as possible now).
For at least part of it to have been deliberate experimental infection is appalling.
Also awful (tho less 'shocking' to me at least) is the decades long cover-up.

I hope the current Govt do not use this as an excuse to shut down what is left of the NHS. We could 'build back better' if we wanted to: it suits Govt not to tho.

I hope that includes more help AND RESPECT for family members who are carers, there is a very eye opening thread on the elderly parents board describing how several bodies including the NHS treat family carers. Emotional blackmail, bullying and downright lies in a lot of cases.

WildImaginings · 20/05/2024 13:46

There is a fantastic podcast about the scandal. Series 2 of Bed of Lies.

PurplePansy05 · 20/05/2024 13:25

Well done Sir Brian Langstaff.

Now let's hope every single individual who knew is forced to finally take responsibility, personally.

JenniferBooth · 20/05/2024 13:08

We have no right to point the finger at the corruption in other countries when the UK is just as bad if not worse

StripeyChina · 20/05/2024 13:06

Comtesse · 19/05/2024 18:03

Plus it is truly shocking is how long it has taken for this enquiry to happen in the UK. The equivalent review happened in say France about 20 years ago. More secrecy and obfuscation and delay - horrible.

Yes - the authorities were waiting for people to die so they had to pay out less £.

I hope those responsible are brought to justice (as much as possible now).
For at least part of it to have been deliberate experimental infection is appalling.
Also awful (tho less 'shocking' to me at least) is the decades long cover-up.

I hope the current Govt do not use this as an excuse to shut down what is left of the NHS. We could 'build back better' if we wanted to: it suits Govt not to tho.

Neopolitana8 · 20/05/2024 13:03

It’s completely horrific in every way!

Something similar happened in France and those responsible were all prosecuted!

What is happening in uk?

SandysMam · 20/05/2024 13:01

I am watching this on the news now, it’s absolutely harrowing. There will be people alive now who should face criminal action for this but I doubt anyone will. Thoughts with all the victims and families today, I hope you get the justice you deserve.

JenniferBooth · 20/05/2024 12:50

Google anthrax London underground 1960s

JenniferBooth · 20/05/2024 12:49

And yet if people said anything against the NHS four years ago they were a conspiracy theorist /granny killer/nazi.

farfallarocks · 19/05/2024 23:41

So pleased to see the truth finally come out.
Not only were boys experimented on they often were not told they were infected. So went on to infect others.
Medical records were destroyed to prevent people knowing they were infected.
Governments, Bayer and the NHS covered it up for decades.
They knew and it was not a mistake.
there is a great pod cast called Bed of Lies if you have the stomach for it.
Hoping tomorrow brings justice, peace and accountability for the victims.
Ken Clarkes evidence to the inquiry is on you tube and will make you wonder why he’s not facing criminal charges.

timenowplease · 19/05/2024 23:19

Psychoticbreak · 19/05/2024 18:00

This came to light in Ireland some decades ago. I know people who were compensated etc. Obviously a different country but the same thing. It is shocking though.

And worse than that. The clean blood Irish people were donating for free was being sold for a profit.

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 19/05/2024 22:43

Just another reason never to vote Tory.

ChristmasGutPunch · 19/05/2024 22:41

At least one of the links also explains that doctors understood there was a statistical certainty of infection because of how many different donors contributed to each treatment.

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ChristmasGutPunch · 19/05/2024 22:39

Angeldelight50 · 19/05/2024 22:28

Wow, this is absolutely awful. I was under the impression the scandal was a tragic accident.

How do you know small boys were purposely infected? Have read the links in the thread and had a quick Google but can’t find anything in relation to experimentation.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tainted-blood-victims-used-for-secret-research-without-consent-bcflkx5mk

Tainted blood victims used for ‘secret research without consent’

New evidence suggests that some patients were monitored for hepatitis C without their knowledge

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tainted-blood-victims-used-for-secret-research-without-consent-bcflkx5mk

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Angeldelight50 · 19/05/2024 22:28

Wow, this is absolutely awful. I was under the impression the scandal was a tragic accident.

How do you know small boys were purposely infected? Have read the links in the thread and had a quick Google but can’t find anything in relation to experimentation.

Whyhaveibeencutoutofmamsnot · 19/05/2024 22:13

This was the time of doctor knew best - whether they were good or bad and no such thing as informed consent. We were all expected to do as we were told

ChristmasGutPunch · 19/05/2024 22:00

Whyhaveibeencutoutofmamsnot · 19/05/2024 21:24

It does make me angry that we are forced to accept stuff because it is the cheapest and not safe.
Didn't a similar thing happen with the smog and air pollution in London where the government had people using filthy coal in their homes and power stations while the good quality stuff was exported to help balance of payments. Thousands died but many were moved out of London to improve figures.
Then the bse cover up.
And don't get me started on the substandard PPE and that mone woman

It's worse than that, though - the infected status was part of the reason for giving it to the kids. It was an experiment.

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atticstage · 19/05/2024 21:53

Children were sent to special schools where they were experimented on by doctors.

"Just 32 of the 122 haemophiliacs who attended the school from 1974 to 1987 are still alive today. Most died after contracting HIV or viral hepatitis."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57547366

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c6gz70808ext

Ade Goodyear

Contaminated blood inquiry: The school where dozens of pupils died

Ex-pupils caught up in the infected blood scandal decades ago are giving evidence at an inquiry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57547366

Whyhaveibeencutoutofmamsnot · 19/05/2024 21:24

It does make me angry that we are forced to accept stuff because it is the cheapest and not safe.
Didn't a similar thing happen with the smog and air pollution in London where the government had people using filthy coal in their homes and power stations while the good quality stuff was exported to help balance of payments. Thousands died but many were moved out of London to improve figures.
Then the bse cover up.
And don't get me started on the substandard PPE and that mone woman

PurplePansy05 · 19/05/2024 21:07

Whyhaveibeencutoutofmamsnot · 19/05/2024 20:30

So was this the time when the Tory government was making us accept the cheapest available of everything.

Yes, they have been warned of the risks formally by way of multiple letters from the British Embassy in the US and a number of professionals and politicians over many years (Lord Owen included, I believe he was the Attorney General at the time?).

In short, US government was paying people for donating blood. A lot of donations came from prisoners and drug addicts for that reason. Many lied on their forms regarding infections they had. The US government/private companies then mixed up blood plasma from between 2,000-22,000 (or even up to 30,000 according to most recent reports) donors to create Factor VIII treatment for haemophiliacs. Blood was untested and untreated. UK NHS was producing its own Factor VIII differently but since this was a new treatment and the demand was incredibly high they couldn't keep up (aka failed to invest in suitable facililities) and instead chose to import the cheapest option from the US which resulted in 30,000 individuals in the UK being unknowingly infected with HIV and Hepatitis C, many of them were young children. Thousands have died by now, many infected their family members unknowingly as well.

The entire thing is so shambolic that it beggars belief anyone thought it was a good idea and nobody has stopped it. It was a callous decision from the start and a blatant disregard towards patients' lives.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 19/05/2024 21:01

Oh God. I'm not a habitual crier over these things, more a rager but Euan's story, and that of his parents...... and so many more....

So, so awful.

ButterflyKu · 19/05/2024 20:58

ploberby · 19/05/2024 20:48

It absolutely isn't ffs

-edited to clarify - yes it’s disgusting, but absolutely not why JW abstain from blood:

Why don’t Jehovah’s Witnesses accept blood transfusions?

This is a religious issue rather than a medical one. Both the Old and New Testaments clearly command us to abstain from blood. (Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:10; Deuteronomy 12:23; Acts 15:28, 29) Also, God views blood as representing life. (Leviticus 17:14) So we avoid taking blood not only in obedience to God but also out of respect for him as the Giver of life.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jehovahs-witnesses-why-no-blood-transfusions/

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You don’t need to educate me, I’m literally a JW.

If you see my comment then you’ll see that I said this is one of the many reasons. Speak to any JW and they’ll say that blood is sacred hence why they won’t accept a blood transfusion. We also have no clue what is in blood that’s been donated hence why it’s refused. HTH

Idolikeanicepieceofcake · 19/05/2024 20:53

They are also looking for any excuse not to give compensation, for instance, if you didn't need acute treatment for Hep C then no compensation for you. Excuse me??? If you didn't know you had Hep C, and had no reason to think you had it (because you don't expect hospitals to be trying to kill you), then why would you have gone for acute treatment?? FFS, I'm appalled by this too.

Firecarrier · 19/05/2024 20:53

See also tuskegee syphilis experiment and black triangle MRNA experiments.

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