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Is it ok to ask children to be labelled with their full name on day trip.

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BrownieBlondie · 18/05/2024 21:19

So ds is going on a group trip, not school but similar vibe. The plan is for each child to wear a wrist band with their full name on. I see this as a safeguarding risk as a stranger could read it and talk a child into thinking they know them/their parents.
Before I say something am I being paranoid or do others see this as a safeguarding issue.

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AhBiscuits · 19/05/2024 06:24

How old are the children?

Riversideandrelax · 19/05/2024 06:18

FTPM1980 · 19/05/2024 06:02

Not my point
The main adult supervising will have medical forms.
A group may well get split up.
Not every adult will know every medical detail or the full names. It's very easy to get crossed wires when there are 3 Tom's and 4 amelias

Any adult can contact the main leader if necessary.

The police recommend the DC has a phone number but not their name due to safeguarding.

FTPM1980 · 19/05/2024 06:02

Riversideandrelax · 19/05/2024 00:31

The adults supervising will have a medical form filled out. They will know if Freddie is diabetic or has an allergy.

Not my point
The main adult supervising will have medical forms.
A group may well get split up.
Not every adult will know every medical detail or the full names. It's very easy to get crossed wires when there are 3 Tom's and 4 amelias

Mama2many73 · 19/05/2024 00:47

BrownieBlondie · 18/05/2024 22:40

I did start the thread in case I was being OTT, which some think I am. I guess as I have friends with adopted children who are careful to keep them off social media and wouldn’t want birth family to know their new name, maybe this has tainted my thoughts.

You are not being OTT or paranoid.
This is really NOT good safeguarding and could put a child at risk

Im a parent, teacher, foster carer and youth group worker and this would be a major concern in all those areas. Children should not be identifiable by strangers , in a lost child case they could read the name and tge do the 'Come on Billy your mam/teacher/leader told me to get you', depending on age of child they may very easily believe them.

If the trip is in public, no, but if in an enclosed private area ie an event in a hall, then possibly first names so helpers can call/organise them more easily.

pizzaHeart · 19/05/2024 00:36

MuskerHounds · 18/05/2024 21:38

If a child gets lost, the finder doesn't need to know their name. They might ask them their name instinctively, they might want to use their name to comfort them - but they don't need to know it.

If they phone the number and say that they have found a lost child the adult on the other end isn't going to have more than one missing child and even if they did they still need to get this one back.

This^
I’ve read advice here to put a card with my mobile number into DD’s pocket or rucksack so used to do this for her school trips.

Riversideandrelax · 19/05/2024 00:31

FTPM1980 · 18/05/2024 23:10

Abduction by a stranger is very rare.
If a child wandered off on a trip is far more likely a nice person would help them.

What is more likely than Abduction is medical episodes, and mass evacuations. Incidents where clearly identifying which child is there is important.
A child may have an accident or a seizure....and the adult supervising may know them as Freddie...but not their last name. Medics need to know if its Freddie Smith who is diabetic or Freddie Jones who is allegic to penicillin.
Worst case scenario the adult supervising is also hurt.

Having their name on a wristband wouldn't bother me.

The adults supervising will have a medical form filled out. They will know if Freddie is diabetic or has an allergy.

Needanewname42 · 19/05/2024 00:07

I can see a logic to first name and maybe initial if they have 2 children with the same name.
On a trip they might have parent helpers or teachers who don't know all the kids and some kids will clam up if they are upset. But I don't see a need for both names.

Greatbigtub · 18/05/2024 23:56

Oh gosh learning something new here.

DS has those sticky name labels all over his schools items like lunch bag, coat, backpack, full name and tel number. I've told him if he ever gets lost he will have the labels inside his coat. Is it time to change these then?

PippyLongTits · 18/05/2024 23:48

If the staff don't know the children well enough to know their names without reading them off a wristband, then presumably the children don't know the staff either. If they don't know the staff and are just being told to go with an adult who knows their name, then labelling the child with their name surely does pose a risk.

I wouldn't like it.

21andon · 18/05/2024 23:35

I wouldn’t be massively worried about it as the chance of anything happening is vanishingly rare but it’s not great practice and I don’t see why having full name matters in this situation.

Something I do as a teacher is give all dc on a school trip (mine are littlies) a sticker with my name & phone number on and they know they can ask an adult (we talk about good people to ask) to call me if they get lost (have never lost one yet!). I just have to make sure to take all the stickers off them before sending them home as don’t want parents having my number!

doneandone · 18/05/2024 23:30

Yes, it's a safeguarding issue. I work in a school and when we go on a school trip, the children are given wrist bands with the name of the school and a contact phone number printed on them, never the child's name.

BrownieBlondie · 18/05/2024 23:17

FTPM1980 · 18/05/2024 23:10

Abduction by a stranger is very rare.
If a child wandered off on a trip is far more likely a nice person would help them.

What is more likely than Abduction is medical episodes, and mass evacuations. Incidents where clearly identifying which child is there is important.
A child may have an accident or a seizure....and the adult supervising may know them as Freddie...but not their last name. Medics need to know if its Freddie Smith who is diabetic or Freddie Jones who is allegic to penicillin.
Worst case scenario the adult supervising is also hurt.

Having their name on a wristband wouldn't bother me.

But to know it which Freddie has which condition you would need to speak to someone who knows them. If this is the emergency contact surely a unique number would solve the safeguarding issue?

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FTPM1980 · 18/05/2024 23:10

Abduction by a stranger is very rare.
If a child wandered off on a trip is far more likely a nice person would help them.

What is more likely than Abduction is medical episodes, and mass evacuations. Incidents where clearly identifying which child is there is important.
A child may have an accident or a seizure....and the adult supervising may know them as Freddie...but not their last name. Medics need to know if its Freddie Smith who is diabetic or Freddie Jones who is allegic to penicillin.
Worst case scenario the adult supervising is also hurt.

Having their name on a wristband wouldn't bother me.

PrincessTeaSet · 18/05/2024 23:06

Riversideandrelax · 18/05/2024 22:55

With the best will in the world sometimes DC get lost. Having a phone number on a wrist band is very sensible and encouraged by the police.

I wouldn't be happy having a preschool aged child being taken somewhere they might get lost. They would be better off staying at nursery, if they can't supply enough supervision to be certain one can wander off.

For a primary aged child I agree a phone number fine but can't see the logic of the name as they will know it.

ThinWomansBrain · 18/05/2024 23:05

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 18/05/2024 22:15

Surely the children know their full name is displayed? If they are old enough to go on a trip they are old enough to know their names and understand that everyone else can read it. And why on earth would they be unsupervised with access to strangers? That's what you should be concerned about in the first place! If they are old enough to be mingling unsupervised then they are old enough to deal with a situation themselves.

I think you are being way over the top here.

well yes, but when you hear about some of the online and phone scams some adults get drawn into, you must wonder if they have a brain cell?
Presumably either a similar percentage - or possibly higher - of children are equally gullible.

Riversideandrelax · 18/05/2024 23:04

YaMuvva · 18/05/2024 23:00

They’re like hospital wristbands so you’d have a job turning it actually it would need to be removed completely to see all the info properly

Not really. But why would you need more than a phone number on it anyway?

Riversideandrelax · 18/05/2024 23:01

tkwal · 18/05/2024 22:57

I don't see the need for full name. Maybe first name and teacher surname ?or First name and Surname initial ? Or even first name, house number and postcode ?

It only needs a phone number of a leader on it. Best not to have the child's name on it and not needed.

YaMuvva · 18/05/2024 23:00

Riversideandrelax · 18/05/2024 22:59

Wristbands can easily turn inside out or be put inside out by a child fidgeting with it.

Their name is not needed so why risk it?

They’re like hospital wristbands so you’d have a job turning it actually it would need to be removed completely to see all the info properly

User478 · 18/05/2024 23:00

I can't think of a single (non catastrophic) situation where it would be necessary to have them labeled with their own name!
-the teacher's name, yes
-a phone number, yes
-an address, yes

But unless they're planning for mass unconsciousness or identifying a body it seems totally unnecessary.

Riversideandrelax · 18/05/2024 22:59

YaMuvva · 18/05/2024 22:53

Yes and in my DC’s school the info is on the inner part of the wristband so they’d also have to turn it over first!

Wristbands can easily turn inside out or be put inside out by a child fidgeting with it.

Their name is not needed so why risk it?

Zelda93 · 18/05/2024 22:58

Given my training about how certain adults gain information about children this would be a huge safeguarding risk and I would not be happy about it!

Riversideandrelax · 18/05/2024 22:58

YaMuvva · 18/05/2024 22:53

Well not really because they’d have to pick the child’s wrist up and peer at the name first.

IME these school trips are staff heavy and run as tight as a ship and this is just so a child can get help should they go missing and are too upset to say their name

I can think of plenty of ways someone could see the name if they wanted to without making it obvious.

Saying their name isn't too helpful. It's the phone number that's needed.

tkwal · 18/05/2024 22:57

I don't see the need for full name. Maybe first name and teacher surname ?or First name and Surname initial ? Or even first name, house number and postcode ?

Riversideandrelax · 18/05/2024 22:55

PrincessTeaSet · 18/05/2024 22:51

Don't really understand the reasoning here. You don't say how old the child is, but if he's 5 or more presumably he knows his full name, if less than that you'd expect close supervision so that he couldn't get lost.

With the best will in the world sometimes DC get lost. Having a phone number on a wrist band is very sensible and encouraged by the police.

YaMuvva · 18/05/2024 22:53

MargaretThursday · 18/05/2024 22:52

If it's on a wristband the child pretty much has to be trusting the adult enough to show them. It's not like someone can walk past and see it. They're as likely to tell them if they ask if they're showing a wristband.

Yes and in my DC’s school the info is on the inner part of the wristband so they’d also have to turn it over first!

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