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Is it a townie thing? Or am I just anti-social?

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oObyeOo · 18/05/2024 18:09

I live in a very popular part of the UK that basically triples in number the summer months.

It’s the Lakes, so it’s ruralish and lots of space if you know where to go. Yet despite this space…. Like today for example….

Me and family (dh & 11yr old dd) are sitting on the lake shore, really long section of beach. Lots of space as only us and another family approx 20mtrs away.

Another family with younger kids approx 1 and 4 come and sit RIGHT next to us!… About 2 meters away. There’s a whole fucking beach!

Why?!

I think it’s a townie thing… when you live surrounded by people you feel safer/more comfortable next to people.

Whereas if you live rurally you prefer your space more.

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Kitkat1523 · 19/05/2024 10:41

oObyeOo · 18/05/2024 18:56

Well I fucking hate it!!

Well you should have fucking moved then ….free country and all that

NeverDropYourMooncup · 19/05/2024 10:28

oObyeOo · 19/05/2024 08:51

How do you cope living in a city/town?… I’m an introvert and whenever I visit a city I just want to leave again. It’s so overwhelming

Well, unless you're fortunate enough to bump into an unattached farmer on his ten yearly trip to that-there-London or earn an absolute shitload yourself, you create a mental shield that is mostly only penetrated by direct threats and non verbal communication whilst simple physical proximity/personal space is unfortunately almost non existent. Or you go nuts.

The thing with people in London being unfriendly because we won't talk/chat isn't accurate - we're talking all the time. Just not necessarily verbally.

As a general rule, we'd really rather not be that physically close with anybody we're not intimately involved with, but the way to deal with it is through the less confrontational non verbal communication.

If you actually look at the behaviour of people in a very busy environment, you'll see that there is communication going on all the time - like Starlings know not to fly into the Starling next to them, people instinctively shift their positions slightly, pick up their bags off the bus seat next to them just from proximity - whilst there is apparent no eye contact, there's a whole load of being aware of exactly what's going on and interacting without having to say a word. We'll know that particular person is best avoided, that it might look close but there's plenty of time to get across the road and that driver isn't one of those whose right foot is ten tons heavier than normal (so won't lift off the accelerator onto the brake that easily), going by their road positioning and engine noise, that person over there is clearly unfamiliar with the area and might need to be told the connecting bus they need stops at the 3rd stop in the row, not this one, or will need a hand to get their shopping trolley off the bus as there's a big drop between bus level and the road at the next stop.

Urban design is supposed to communicate directions to people without needing to tell them (lighting, planters, road shapes, etc) like fencing can be used to shift livestock into pens - unfortunately, some visitors don't understand this communication, which is how you end up with the much detested London offence of stopping dead in front of me looking up and around with your mouth open instead of keeping moving at a normal warp speed and then stepping into one of the eddy sections.

Problems arise when construction doesn't take into account human behaviour - hence carefully designed crossings that aren't used because the actual natural route humans (and other animals) would take cuts directly across a corner or is 7 yards down the road and doesn't involve crossing a road, walking along, crossing at the crossing, then walking back on yourself and crossing another road, for example - blocking the line of sight to the logical route can discombobulate somebody not used to having things blocked, but is normal for somebody who is directed like that when getting out of a tube station all the time.

We don't have to like it and many people cope by not willingly going out unless absolutely necessary (thank fuck for Amazon same day and Ocado, as that saves a lot of stress, never mind the numbers that WFH), using headphones and generally focusing entirely upon getting from A to B without being impeded any more than necessary. Or they wait until they can sell up & move to the countryside expecting peace and quiet, only to find that it's full of smells and noise, church bells, errant sheep and combines going through at night. And lots of people who want to know who you are, where you're from and even if you're having a good morning when you're bravely trying to find your way to the shop on a non pavemented, winding road with gates, weird bits of wall and actual bits of houses sticking out into it of a morning.

Oh, and running/exercise. That's very popular for those physically able to do it, whether it's urban running at stupid o'clock, going out somewhere a bit greener just to get away or hiding in a nice, air conditioned gym where there are again a whole bunch of unspoken rules and communication - coping mechanisms to satisfy the fight or flight (always more useful than the freeze) response.

3catsandcounting · 19/05/2024 10:21

OP, we're about 40 mins from the lakes; DH and I were once at Fell Foot Park, out of season, more or less had the place to ourselves. Lots of space!
Over the hill came a family/group of around 16, adults, teens and children carrying huge picnic baskets, rugs, toys, etc, and headed straight for us, plonked themselves down within a metre of us, laid out their feast, and ramped up the music on their ghetto-blaster, whilst the teenage boys proceeded to play-fight in front of us, knocking over my coffee.
They seemed surprised when we left.

Hobnobswantshernameback · 19/05/2024 10:03

I grew up very rurally and have lived smack in the middle of a city for 25 years
so half and half
wondering how I would fit with the OPs nonsensical sweeping generalisations
I love living in the city with all its convenience but also need my space and time to myself which amazingly is still possible in a city.
Maybe you bumpkins could stay in your rural lane and stop making assumptions about us oh so urbanite types
or maybe we could think that everyone is an individual
ffs

oObyeOo · 19/05/2024 09:40

napody · 19/05/2024 09:39

Most 4 year olds talk a LOT. They will have been hoping you'd talk to their kid so they could have a break I should think.

I was thinking this too… which is why it pissed me off more than it should have

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napody · 19/05/2024 09:39

Most 4 year olds talk a LOT. They will have been hoping you'd talk to their kid so they could have a break I should think.

AncientQuercus · 19/05/2024 09:32

I'm a city person and I can't stand people.

I have found the same phenomenon my entire life. People sit right on top of us at the beach, park tight up next to us, sit next to us on trains - I absolutely hate it.

Like a PP I was having a late breakfast in my car in a Lidl's car park with just one other car there, and this woman drove in and slid between us. She got a hard stare before I moved to the other side of the car park.

I did watch a similar scenario play out in a Halford's car park waiting for it to open. Chap had stopped in a row facing the entrance but not the first row. Pretty empty car park, about 3 of us waiting. Somebody drove in and carefully positioned themselves next to him. He moved. Another person came in and did the same in his new space. While we were watching he moved his car 4 times. I was surprised he didn't get out and say something. I'm pretty sure that if he had they'd have been really surprised.

OneWildNightWithJBJ · 19/05/2024 09:24

I’m a townie, but often in the Lakes and other more remote places. Don’t worry, I would stay well away from you 😂. I like my space!

Beezknees · 19/05/2024 09:24

Also a "townie" and wouldn't do this. Your theory is rubbish.

MargaretThursday · 19/05/2024 09:21

Lol. Preston area is what my parents say, rather than the specific place you won't have heard of. They'd be offended if you thought them townees. They live in a village.

If they actually lived in Preston they'd have said they came from Preston.

midgetastic · 19/05/2024 09:18

You chose a spot - a particular good spot that they liked the look of so they sit there too because they don't mind people though they won't be sad if you then move away

Yellowhammer09 · 19/05/2024 09:18

Seeline · 18/05/2024 19:00

Londoner born and bred and it drives me mad when other people sit right on top of you at the beach.
It's really nothing to do with where you come from.

Same here. Londoners probably want even more space tbh.

I think it's just nutters that sit next to someone on an otherwise empty beach.

SallyWD · 19/05/2024 09:12

I didn't know people still used the term "townie". Haven't heard it since the 90s!
I live in a big city and I haven't noticed people sitting close to others if there's the option to sit further away.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 19/05/2024 09:10

Seeline · 18/05/2024 19:00

Londoner born and bred and it drives me mad when other people sit right on top of you at the beach.
It's really nothing to do with where you come from.

I am taking the risk of starting a 'Londoner v the rest of the country' argument again here, but I do think Londoners are different from people who live in other cities. I was born and bred in London too My DH wasn't but moved there in his 20's. Whenever we talk about friendly cities, he always says 'London is the most unfriendly'. I say 'actually, no, we just mind our own business'! I have found in other cities, especially northern ones, people just start talking to you! It may be because we look like visitors, and in London, there are so many you don't really notice. I don't live in London anymore, and it was very disconcerting that people just start up conversations with you for no reason! I've relaxed into it now, but it took me a good year!

Halfheadhighlights · 19/05/2024 09:06

I’m from a town and wouldn’t do this. I would want to talk to the people I’ve travelled there with, I wouldn’t impose myself on to anyone that’s just rude and weird

converseandjeans · 19/05/2024 09:02

Agree with @snowlady4

Maybe they hoped you'd have a conversation and your kids might play together?

I'm surprised they allowed their 4yo to come close enough to sit on your blanket!

I think there's other places to visit if you want to be meeting new people. A quiet beach in the Lakes might not be the best place for flockers.

BoudiccaOfSuburbia · 19/05/2024 09:01

RawBloomers · 19/05/2024 04:58

I think lots of townies like space and isolation when they go somewhere like the Lakes. But I can see that people in general who want to be near others will probably move to towns (if they don't live in one already) and become townies. So most likely, people who put their blanket next to yours on an otherwise empty beach are going to be townies. But that doesn't mean all, or even most, townies want to sit next to people on the beach.

The other generalisation is how friendly rural folk are as opposed to town (another generalisation I find to be bollocks, personally) . You know, love to chat in a bus, train so sit next to you, so friendly..,

  1. People live in towns for many reasons, jobs, culture, like going out etc. very few do it because they love being squashed on the tube.
  2. Where was the OP’s famous rural friendliness? People in the country who like to chat etc? Oh! She doesn’t subscribe to that stereotype…

(Town dweller who likes my space but is also very friendly)

WillLiveLife · 19/05/2024 08:56

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BoudiccaOfSuburbia · 19/05/2024 08:54

I live in London and love it.

I would have spread out as far as possible from you and the other family.

People not observing available space / distancing is irritating. Generalisations are irritating.

oObyeOo · 19/05/2024 08:51

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How do you cope living in a city/town?… I’m an introvert and whenever I visit a city I just want to leave again. It’s so overwhelming

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Bbq1 · 19/05/2024 08:43

I'm from Liverpool and would sit as far away from you as possible, Op.

OPOPONAX4 · 19/05/2024 08:16

OP are you from Roysten Vasey?

Is it a townie thing? Or am I just anti-social?
Buffypaws · 19/05/2024 08:08

Berlinlover · 18/05/2024 18:18

I’m a townie and would have sat in the most isolated part of the beach I could find.

Same

Otherstories2002 · 19/05/2024 08:07

oObyeOo · 18/05/2024 18:55

I am totally generalising, because I believe there is an element of truth in it.

I’m a townie and this isn’t a thing.

what is a thing is country bumpkins not knowing train etiquette. Do not talk to people on the train and do not sit near them.

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