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Londoners have absolutely decimated my city

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CrushedOrange · 18/05/2024 12:41

NC as really outing.
I'm a musician and over the years I have seen what was a steady stream of londoners turn into a flood this year.
I'm so gutted. I know everybody has the right to live here but it has pushed so many of my friends out, artists and other musicians. It pisses me off that the whole reason these londoners moved here, they are also destroying.
I'm lucky as my landlord is really decent and hasn't put my rent up in years, so I can afford to stay here. But now I'm considering just leaving because of the vibe factor. It makes me really sad. I still gig a few times a week but the crowd is different. I miss my community, but now everybody is scattered as everyone who was pushed out has gone to different places.
I'm considering just jumping ship and moving on myself but I don't know where to go.
Today some more londoners moved into the street...The whole street is full of scaffolding as they seem to really love doing home improvements 😅
I know I sound really bitter. I guess I am. I don't know whether to stay or go, and of I go, where to?

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StealthIguana · 18/05/2024 16:03

I don't really have an opinion either way, I suppose I would be annoyed if I was priced out of my area but it hasn't happened here.
Where I used to live, very far from where we are now, there was an influx of Londoners after lockdown. Mainly due to so many moving to WFH models but still earning the London wages so being able to outbid most people in the area. The local papers were, not long after, full of stories from people who recently moved complaining that the rural life wasn't what they imagined, there were was nothing to do and they felt like outsiders... Now that is silly for anyone to do, I don't know why on earth someone would move from a huge city to a rural community, expecting life to be more or less as it was!

TheFraud · 18/05/2024 16:01

Places change. Populations move.

The gritty area of London I grew up in - which was admittedly a bit of a shithole, but had great community spirit - is now extremely expensive and full of young professionals working in finance and tech and who are not from London.

I worry about the lack of social housing and the lack of affordable housing full stop for a lot of young people who aren’t in well paid jobs. The vibe less so.

Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 16:00

CatkinToadflax · 18/05/2024 15:59

Exactly what I was about to say.

Please don’t come to Hastings/St Leonards, OP. We haven’t the vibe. <weeps>

😂😂

CatkinToadflax · 18/05/2024 15:59

LakeTiticaca · 18/05/2024 15:29

We are fine as we are actually OP
Love,
Hastings 😅

Exactly what I was about to say.

Please don’t come to Hastings/St Leonards, OP. We haven’t the vibe. <weeps>

gocompare · 18/05/2024 15:58

Come to Liverpool Grin

Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 15:57

I love Brighton. I love London too. London is definitely friendlier, where we lived anyway. Brighton does seem rather parochial , slightly bitter. Greens messed it up. Labour don’t seem to be much better. But hopefully Brighton will start shining again.

Peppermintytea · 18/05/2024 15:56

The Brighton I used to know and love (and live in) died at least 20 years ago.

It's now a horrible mish mash of performative woke-ism, terrible schools, drug users, homeless people and high earners trying to buy their way into the 'cool' lifestyle they believe it offers.

localnotail · 18/05/2024 15:56

This is hilarious. So, Londoners are not people? They cant be a community? Or you only want SPECIAL people to be your community?

I know a family currently moving from London to Brighton - they are actually not from London, they came here when they were young, and now have a family and are moving on to a more family-friendly and affordable area where they can afford for their DC to have separate bedrooms and a garden. So should I tell them to stay because you are upset? Because they will want to renovate the outdated terraced house they buying, you might not like it.

To me it sounds like you are simply jealous of people with money and is very snobby about anyone who is not a Brighton hippy.

EternalSunshine19 · 18/05/2024 15:55

qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty · 18/05/2024 12:56

The issues around housing, the scarcity of housing, the high cost of renting etc etc. comes down to lack of social housing, restricted supply from private devlopers, profiteering in the private rental sector and the purchase of second homes/AirBnBs.

We need to address those root causes nationally, with particular attention paid to areas such as e.g. SW where second home ownership has trashed communities.

I understand the impact on your area is hard, the individuals moving to your area are not the issue though, the whole problem needs to be addressed.

Absolutely this!

Democracymanifest · 18/05/2024 15:55

Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 15:33

But how’s the vibe?

Rather fond of carrots last I heard

Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 15:54

Bettyhetty3 · 18/05/2024 15:48

Expensive with slightly too short a trouser leg. And then there is the stabby gang side of things...just delightful

Oh no. The vibe Is compromised.

Droolylabradors · 18/05/2024 15:53

Onemoreterm · 18/05/2024 12:49

Deal in Kent. They even use the term DFL ‘Down From London’. A friend brought a lovely cottage there that she Airbnb’s half the year in order to pay the mortgage. She has spent a lot of money doing it up.

She loves her cottage but realises that together with all the other DFLs she is making it unaffordable for locals.

Everywhere south of London uses 'down from london'. And when I lived in Manchester it was 'up from london'.

Hermione7 · 18/05/2024 15:52

Brighton is a real mess, a few home improvements wouldn't go amiss & substitute 'Londoners ' for another group of people and it sounds racist 🤷‍♀️

LakeTiticaca · 18/05/2024 15:51

UnionsFailingWomen · 18/05/2024 15:44

Please don’t move to York as you sound like a patronising twat

OP went be able to afford York.
Have you seen the house prices?

coloursquare · 18/05/2024 15:48

*vibrant not vintage

Bettyhetty3 · 18/05/2024 15:48

Greengablesfables · 18/05/2024 15:33

But how’s the vibe?

Expensive with slightly too short a trouser leg. And then there is the stabby gang side of things...just delightful

NotSentFromIphone · 18/05/2024 15:48

If they're buying to live there permanently then that's just tough really but if it's holiday home use only I feel your pain.

coloursquare · 18/05/2024 15:48

To the person/people who suggested Liverpool. It's one of the most wonderful and vintage cities in the world. Not sure it's waiting around for the OP to teach it about creativity.....GrinConfused

tuvamoodyson · 18/05/2024 15:47

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 18/05/2024 12:44

How do you know they are "londoners" (whatever that means).

People from London I assume..

Againname · 18/05/2024 15:47

0tteronalog · 18/05/2024 15:36

I hear you OP. but as others have said, people have been doing this for 25 years. Theyve also been moving from Brighton to Hastings for years because supposedly it's on the up. it still seems a bit shit there though.
I managed to get a place in Brighton and im on a low wage as is my dp, we nearly moved to hastings with the others 20 years ago. so glad we didnt

My friend is originally from London. She moved here years ago, but still has childhood friends in London. Many Londoners can't afford to live where they're from (London), in no small part because people from other parts of the UK (including Brighton and Hastings) have for years been moving to London... What are Londoners expected to do? Some, like my friend wanted to move somewhere else, but others don't or can't (jobs or family commitments).

I find the contradictory attitudes on here and offline bemusing. It's not only towards Londoners. It's directed at people in other areas too. People can't afford housing in their area or there's limited work opportunities in their area, so they're told to move away, but if they take that advice they're told they're unwelcome.

Unless the root causes (better work, education, and training opportunities, and more social housing everywhere) are addressed the issues will just get worse.

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 18/05/2024 15:47

@Whothefuckdoesthat
It’s quite funny really, because people from towns and cities all over Britain have absolutely decimated the London that I know and love, moving there to make their money, pushing housing prices up so that the locals are forced to leave, gentrifying the character out of everything, calling themselves Londoners, then as soon as they have kids, moving back out because it’s not safe enough to raise their precious darlings there, or have them associating with the few local families that have managed to cling on.

exactly this, I was born and raised in the east end, no way I could afford to live there after uni. I also think the wanky hipster vibe it now has would've destroyed my soul. (Very similar to Brighton tbh)
Most people I know in similar situations moved to Herts, Essex, North Kent, where are we supposed to go OP?

itsmylife7 · 18/05/2024 15:46

GiantSportsDirectMug · 18/05/2024 15:28

Imagine if Londoners got cross about people moving there from out of London 😂

Exactly what's happened. 😜

To find a born and bred Londoner in London is rare.... we've all been priced out.

MikeRafone · 18/05/2024 15:46

CrushedOrange · 18/05/2024 12:56

Got it in one 😅

I'm not too sure where to go. A lot of people have gone to other cities like Sheffield or Birmingham. There are also quite a few who moved further along the coast, like Hastings or Worthing. These places definitely don't match up, but I'm tempted to do that as am quite energised by the idea of trying to grow a new community, just trying to assess whether those places can be livened up though, or whether I will leave town to try and contribute to creating a vibe somewhere else, only for it not to take off and then I will have lost my LL here. Guess that's a risk you just have to take though!

so you and the people that lived in the same town are complaining about outsiders moving in and the solution is to move to another place and be an outsider yourself? Not only that you want to change the places you want to move to and liven them up

Xtraincome · 18/05/2024 15:45

Hi OP. Are you Brighton born and bred, then? I can imagine it's hard seeing changes, as there is always an impact HOWEVER most of the Londoners you see are probably not born and bred.

What I have noticed is that true Londoners are actually quite chill and unpretentious. I am bias though, as I know many below average London earners who are absolutely 100% Londoners who were never going to stay and raise the next generation where they grew up due to cost. There are many where we live - I married one too 😜

UnionsFailingWomen · 18/05/2024 15:44

Please don’t move to York as you sound like a patronising twat

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