Schools insistence on uniform rules are behind the times

Whatever. Think what you like - I really could not care less.

Nobody is disputing there was neglect involved. The issue is how you responded to that poster.

Absolutely nothing in your posts suggests you are empathetic, never mind endowed with critical thinking skills.

No. Google it yourself if you want it.

You have no idea. It was a choice for her to live with her aunt and it's none of your business. I don't know why you are getting your knickers in such a twist.

I'm not "taking the piss" and I am not your "pal".

You are also talking crap. Very many families can afford it, mine included. Where I live, there is an excellent second-hand uniform facility run by a church. There are options now for low-income families. I have donated any of my kids' uniforms that still had some wear in them, though mine often wore the same pieces of uniform for years, including 2 blazers that I mentioned upthread that got 7 years' wear each.

There are uniform grants. The uniform can be bought bit by bit once it's known what school the child will be attending. From 14 years of experience, the cost per wear of uniform is much lower than buying a variety of outfits to impress their friends.

We're talking school uniform! There's no need to be so patronising, belligerent and downright rude towards me.

I completely agree with you , when I attended in the 70s-80's there was a basic guide the vast majority stuck to now it just seems to way over the top . Measuring the length of school skirts ? When did that begin ? Fashion will change again . They'll all be refusing to show off their legs again .

Well yes it's good that your kids never had to live with an aunt

I don't know what your strengths are because they are not apparent to me.

I did not say anything wrong. It's neglect, pure and simple. Say whatever you want. Sticks and stones, etc.

I'm an excellent critical thinker in fact, and I am highly empathetic. I haven't got the foggiest clue why you are targeting me in this way. I am not interested though. I don't do fighting with my toenails.

I don't care. It just makes life easier. Says the mother of three adults who all had to wear uniform throughout their schooldays.

I didn't have a uniform in primary. I had a limited wardrobe. One of my classmates was living temporarily with her aunt for a long period of time, and she had a new outfit every week. My kids never had to put up with that, thankfully.

@ThisIsNotARealAvo I think is more to do with the ages of the children.

Sure, but you don't need to practice wearing one for 12 years beforehand. It's a simple enough requirement to meet. It's not like you've got nurses or firefighters in France or Norway or wherever wandering around with trousers on their hands, desperately wondering how the fuck they're ever going to figure out their uniforms.

Yes…that is what I was getting at.

Astonishing that you’re so aware of the concept of neglect but so lacking in empathy when responding to a post which strongly implies that was the case.

Critical thinking is clearly not one of your strengths.

Are you taking the piss pal?

£422 it costs. That's a over a third of take home on minimum wage. Parents have to spend that money so their kids can go to school. You can get five pairs of jeans, a couple of hoodies, some t shirts and a pair of trainers from Primark for less than £100, that'll be way more practical and comfortable.

www.sec-ed.co.uk/content/news/branded-items-to-blame-for-422-average-school-uniform-cost/

Please provide a peer reviewed study that compares outcomes for uniform wearing and non-uniform wearing schools and shows statistically significant improved outcomes for schools with uniform. Because unless there is a clear benefit to the children why should parents be forced to spend money on clothes for school when they already have clothes for their children?

Whatever you say. It's neglect and it's unacceptable.

That's a very strange criterion for choosing a school.

I agree about the not taking blazers off though. That's barbaric and unnecessary.

So you understand that the poster might have been neglected by her parents. Pity your posts didn't reflect any sympathy for any child in that position.

I thought part of the point of school uniform was to make the child easily identifiable as a pupil at a particular school. That was impressed on us in the day. (There were batshit rules too, and I'm of the vintage that had our skirts measured). The identifiable part makes sense to me though, especially when teenagers are allowed out on their own at lunchtimes or making their own way home. Poor behaviour or troublemaking can be reported to the school.

Plenty of occupations require the wearing of uniforms.

No idea why I should have to and I have no idea what you are on about. Dental treatment for children was/is free. There is no reason for children to have poor oral hygiene/bad teeth. It's neglect, pure and simple, whether you like it or not.

They really haven't. Schools have had similar uniform policies since God was a wee boy. I'm ancient and my school uniform was the same, as was my mother's before me, at the same school.

What kind of colour of coat would you find acceptable? Do you think they should all wear white ffs?

The schools do focus on teaching the kids. Since time immemorial.

Have you considered that the poster here did not have parents who prioritised in the same way? Didn’t cross your mind even momentarily, before posting?

Express themselves? So they compete to wear the same thing as everyone else

Some jobs have uniforms teenagers can wear what they want on weekends, after school and on holidays

I don’t think uniform should extend to hair, or have to be rigidly from one expensive provider. More schools should state a colour for jumpers/polos and then just require parents purchase the school badge to iron on.

However I do think school uniform is an equaliser, and a necessary one too.